ILM GONNA CRAWL — Led Zeppelin poll RESULTS THREAD

sorry if these points has been made upthread by other, better posters but yeah...there was an element of classism for sure, and also the sense that these other bands were very serious, the perception being that they were digging deep and trying to be something other than rock stars. they meant something or whatever, it wasn't just music. the perception with Zeppelin was they were just embracing rock music as its own end and they weren't tackling the issues of the day, whatever day that was. they were regarded as louder and dumber, which is interesting now because i regard them as actually exceptionally intelligent guys and Robert Plant for one continues to this day to be one of the few guys who reached the supernova status he did and who refuses to revisit it, he'd rather do Carry Fire or cover some songs by Low.

also man, i really do like the Beatles and I love the Stones, but these days I've been revisiting them a lot and Led Zeppelin is probably the band that both melts my face off in the best, Ark-opening way and also just makes me feel the best.

i get the sense that plant was vastly underestimated in his time for the type of artist he was. this thread had me watching the 2012 reunion performance tonight and i forgot how much plant crushed it in that set--he could have done credible zep tours whenever he wanted and i hugely respect the fact that he was more interested in other things.

i guess my speculation is if there wasn't some grass is greener stuff going on or if townshend just never had any interest in the type of rhythmic stuff zep was doing.

I'm sure part of it is that Zeppelin, for how different they were from the Who, were also built specifically in the Who's image: genius control freak guitarist/producer/visionary, over the top gorgeous curly blond hair operatic dreamboat vocalist, stoic extremely skilled and amazing bassist, and wild drunken god level hard hitting drummer

A big thing for me is how Zep were a coming together of guys w/ a certain amount of chops/experience forming something completely beyond a “supergroup”...there was a level of finesse to their approach that critics couldn’t get a handle on and couldn’t meaningfully criticise their mechanics/ability as a rock band

(Zep not the last in that respect)

I'm sure part of it is that Zeppelin, for how different they were from the Who, were also built specifically in the Who's image

Indeed. And if Moon and Entwistle had followed through on their threats to leave the Who and form a band with Page in 1966, the band Moon named "Lead Zeppelin" might have included half of the Who.

Plant solo is one of the few if not only '60s vets who hasn't disgraced himself. The only thing that makes me cringe is the Honeydrippers.

man i love zep and robert plant is awesome, but if there's a moment where "rock music" became crystallized from its pan-racial and pansexual roots into music for dumb, pissed-off white boys, zep and sabbath are probably it. i can see why the critics hated it.

I'm not really that convinced that RS's favourite singer-songwriters or NY new wavers had that much more to do with rock's "pan-racial and pansexual roots". I can completely believe that critics didn't respect Zep/Sab's audience, though.

man i love zep and robert plant is awesome, but if there's a moment where "rock music" became crystallized from its pan-racial and pansexual roots into music for dumb, pissed-off white boys, zep and sabbath are probably it. i can see why the critics hated it.

― milkshake duck george bernard shaw (rushomancy

you're missing the queer undertones in so much of this music

"that's the way" could be the theme song for call me by your name (instead of "love my way")

I don't know how I'm gonna tell you
I can't play with you no more
I don't know how I'm gonna do what mama told me
My friend the boy next door
I can't believe what people saying
You're gonna let your hair hang down

and of course

I want to tell you 'bout my good thing
I ain't disclosing no names but
He sure is a good friend and
I ain't gonna tell you where he comes from, no
If I tell you you won't come again, hey

Idk about the queerness of Zep but yeah, the critics hated Queen too.

I was going to post something on the music controp thread about how the critical tendency people like to call 'rockism' was pretty anti-rock.

Fairies wear boots you gotta believe me

TS: moby dick vs rat salad

you're missing the queer undertones in so much of this music

― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

"whole lotta love" is queerer when tina turner sings it than it is when robert plant sings it

anyway, why should i settle for the "undertones" of robert plant pretending to have a five-hour erection when the contemporaneous work of jagger and bowie are options?

Because you love Zep and Robert Plant is awesome.

if there's a moment where "rock music" became crystallized from its pan-racial and pansexual roots into music for dumb, pissed-off white boys, zep and sabbath are probably it.

disagree. this is a very Gen X way of looking at rock music history.

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It seems like a shallow basis for a musical critique anyway.

"Why should I listen to this when this exists" I do not get this

Watched the Knebworth '79 show off the DVD set tonight for the first time in a long long while. Daaaamn if Page wasn't in full Dark Guitar Lord mode - linen getup notwithstanding - that night. Amazing playing from him up to "Kashmir" (which didn't seem to require too much thought or effort on his behalf I would imagine). Listened on 'phones for maximum impact.

We Gonna Groove
Yeah Groove
Yeah we gonna groove babe
Lord mama yeah

sippin booze is precedent as the evening starts to glow

"Why should I listen to this when this exists" I do not get this

― brimstead

oh, i'm on board with zep, will be on board with zep until i die, but zep will never be my queer heroes

Well yes, few of the criticisms these writers leveled at Zeppelin weren’t also completely valid criticisms of Cream, etc. But Zeppelin were more like Vikings: they were arrogant

part of the irony is that Cream did long boring blues songs

Watched the Knebworth '79 show off the DVD set tonight for the first time in a long long while. Daaaamn if Page wasn't in full Dark Guitar Lord mode - linen getup notwithstanding - that night. Amazing playing from him up to "Kashmir" (which didn't seem to require too much thought or effort on his behalf I would imagine). Listened on 'phones for maximum impact.

Wow there was a half-written post in there too upthread that the app kept. Oh well.

Guitar-nerd detail from a recent Marc Maron interview with Joe Walsh:

Page thought his Telecaster (the Dragon Tele he painted himself and played with the Yardbirds) sounded too thin for the meaty music he wanted to make with Zep. Les Pauls, with their thick double humbuckers, were hard to find in the UK, so Walsh gave him one of his — the iconic sunburst LP that Page turned into one of the most famous guitars ever.

Another reason why Jimmy abandoned his Dragon Tele:

http://www.feelnumb.com/2011/01/10/jimmy-pages-1958-fender-dragon-telecaster-guitar/

xpost Except of course iirc the Tele was the first call guitar for the first two albums, and obv. he used it occasionally after, and it sounds great, but maybe he was just able to give it some extra oomph in the studio and needed to go Les Paul live?

Yeah, I think it was mainly for live performance. It's funny seeing Page with a Fender Strat at Knebworth; a little window into what New Wave Zep might have been.

first two plant solo albums are as close as we got

Check out the version of TSRtS on LZ DVD. It's an easter egg on one of the menu screens, shot with fan footage from what looks like a theater balcony. Sets the place on fire.

― SongOfSam, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 04:13 (nine years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Where is this pls, is it a hidden thing on the DVD DVD?