maura otm, heated differences of opinions about pop songs can feel like personal attacks, but that's not necessarily the place they are coming from.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 17 August 2018 02:40 (five years ago) link
the "personal attack" is in bringing something I wrote for a different website here -- by name, which means it is Googleable -- to call me a troll.
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 17 August 2018 02:43 (five years ago) link
Fair. I think it's fine to discuss it, don't think we need to call each other trolls or insane because we disagree.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 17 August 2018 02:44 (five years ago) link
Insane Troll Posse
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 17 August 2018 02:46 (five years ago) link
It probably would have been easier to ask the mods to googleproof your name than having a total meltdown across multiple threads
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 August 2018 02:58 (five years ago) link
ffs lay off
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 August 2018 03:03 (five years ago) link
given that I have never seen any evidence of moderators existing, let alone doing anything, in the several years I have posted here, that seems doubtful
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 17 August 2018 03:05 (five years ago) link
Ban l0u1s jagg3r
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 August 2018 03:08 (five years ago) link
seethis is what happens when u create a board full of ppl whose job it is is to have opinions.everyone thinks their opinion is amazingno-one listens to anyone and no-one knows when to shut the fuck up
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 August 2018 03:09 (five years ago) link
i could not give less of a fuck about any of this but the fact that someone would post under the same name on multiple websites that discuss the same topic and then act confused that those streams would cross is funny
― call all destroyer, Friday, 17 August 2018 03:10 (five years ago) link
yes, and believe me, I am thoroughly regretting that decision
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 17 August 2018 03:14 (five years ago) link
you've never made any effort at all to be anonymous on ilx so like, i'm not sure what you were expecting?
― call all destroyer, Friday, 17 August 2018 03:15 (five years ago) link
I'm expecting that I can go about my day-to-day business without something I wrote on an entirely different site being dragged into a thread I have deliberately not been participating in, in order to pile onto it and call me a troll. this really doesn't seem like much to ask
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 17 August 2018 03:17 (five years ago) link
idk, if i go somewhere else and post a bunch of bullshit as call all destroyer (idk if what you posted elsewhere is bullshit, i'm just saying) and ppl on ilx talk about it, don't i just have to roll with that?
― call all destroyer, Friday, 17 August 2018 03:21 (five years ago) link
katherine, why do you even care that a gaggle of doughy aging nerds have a different opinion than you about a band for teenagers writing the Pepe version of Say Anything’s “Admit It!”
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 August 2018 03:24 (five years ago) link
katherine otm
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 17 August 2018 03:27 (five years ago) link
Pieces of criticism get discussed and picked apart on here all the time and have since the beginning. I don't think that's so unusual. Not exactly sure why we'd be focusing only on Katherine's blurb when that feature had about 20 different critics chiming in.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 17 August 2018 03:29 (five years ago) link
It would be one thing if people just wanted to talk about the ideas in the article but thats not what seems to have happened. Dragging someone’s work into ilx in order to score poitns seems... vulgar
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 17 August 2018 03:30 (five years ago) link
There seems to be tension here b/w a person’s identity as a music writer and as an ILX poster.
Presumably if k didn’t post here then specifically referring to her take in this thread would not be an issue?
I don’t think there’s ever been a hard and fast rule around that though.
― Tim F, Friday, 17 August 2018 03:34 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I've rarely seen a call for a regular poster to defend something they wrote elsewhere.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 17 August 2018 03:40 (five years ago) link
Probably only amongst the goon crew.
― Tim F, Friday, 17 August 2018 03:45 (five years ago) link
the issue is that I had previously not been posting in this thread, deliberately, out of deference to the people in it who seem to want an entirely positive discussion, which, fine, whatever, it isn't my thread. this is not trolling; it is in fact the opposite of trolling. if I wanted to troll I would have posted my review to the thread to kick the hornet's nest. but instead the hornet's nest was kicked for me anyway, turning an otherwise pleasant afternoon and evening to shit
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 17 August 2018 03:52 (five years ago) link
It’s no consolation i’m sure but kicking hornets’ nests is the larger part of what ILM does.
― Tim F, Friday, 17 August 2018 03:56 (five years ago) link
see
this is what happens when u create a board full of ppl whose job it is is to have opinions.
everyone thinks their opinion is amazingno-one listens to anyone and no-one knows when to shut the fuck up
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, August 16, 2018 10:09 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^
wld probably be best for everyone to wrap this up for now & collectively agree to not touch this thread for a few hours at least
― lowercase (eric), Friday, 17 August 2018 04:02 (five years ago) link
I’m a little surprised ILM seems to love the 1975 this much that they’re kinda protected from critcisim. Love it if we made it doesn’t really seem like the kind of thing you lot would like—the social commentary seems a little on the nose and besides we live in an ocean of nonstop social and political commentary right now and do we really meed more stuff about trump in our music?
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 17 August 2018 04:35 (five years ago) link
I’m not against it, I’m just not sure it is done successfully here
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 17 August 2018 04:46 (five years ago) link
treeship, these are terrible posts. please reconsider
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 17 August 2018 05:21 (five years ago) link
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, August 16, 2018 10:30 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is not what happened u moonfaced simpleton
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 17 August 2018 05:23 (five years ago) link
the link was literally shared by one of the co-authors, alfred soto lol
i engaged w [censored by the police]'s blurb bc i generally follow her ideas more than other posters on the board, no offense to alfred soto. i also engaged w. the ideas i didnt 'drag someone's work to ilx in order to score points' lmfao
this argument is insane, though to be clear, no one in this thread is
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 17 August 2018 05:27 (five years ago) link
presumably if k didn’t post here then specifically referring to her take in this thread would not be an issue
Specifically referring to someone also not the same thing as specifically referring to someone along with a question to them with 'you' in it and a seeming presumption that they'll be reading
― Iain Mew (if), Friday, 17 August 2018 06:21 (five years ago) link
which turned out to be correct
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 17 August 2018 06:29 (five years ago) link
iain's blurb basically admits that he can't enjoy the song because he spends too much time online -- this is not the band's fault
This is an interesting response but seems contradictory to Kevin's point that the awfulness is mainstream!
Again, the song reminds me of people who seek out awful abuse online to retweet it for commentary - it's really easy to see that there's a lot awful things out there, and that is worth talking about, it's the specific way to do so that I disagree with
― Iain Mew (if), Friday, 17 August 2018 06:32 (five years ago) link
dying @ moonfaced simpleton. deej going out like john wick
― J0rdan S., Friday, 17 August 2018 06:39 (five years ago) link
― Iain Mew (if), Friday, August 17, 2018 2:32 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark
this is what i mean about not being able to see the world outside the prism of online -- pop music has entirely different functions than does surfacing bad tweets to your small group of follower. it just strikes me as a really myopic way to view art.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 17 August 2018 06:45 (five years ago) link
I don't apply the prism of online to everything, but it seems appropriate for a song from an album with Online in its title which quotes bad online memes
― Iain Mew (if), Friday, 17 August 2018 06:54 (five years ago) link
For one, the song is ontologically, conceptually and creatively distinct from the lines it quotes, whereas retweeting a bad tweet doesn’t quite get there.
This logic would extend to a criticism of news media covering politics because “it’s basically retweeting abuse for comment.” That analogy isn’t devoid of merit but collapsing all of these things together requires ignoring about five hundred elephants filling up the room.
― Tim F, Friday, 17 August 2018 06:56 (five years ago) link
i don't have much to contribute, but i just wanna say it's been fascinating (and edifying, really!) to basically see the no-platforming journalism debate play out in miniature by way of unpacking this song
― austinb, Friday, 17 August 2018 07:07 (five years ago) link
i also wanna throw out there, sort of adjacent to/responding to katherine's concerns, that one of the (perhaps privacy-inconsiderate?) appeals of ILX to me has been its unique status as a forum where i've seen some of my favorite music writers really engage with each other in thoughtful dialog, in real time (not to mention the archive!). the relative transparency as to who writes about music and also posts on here has been an essential part of humanizing the world of music criticism to me, as well as a view into the backend of the whole space.
maybe that voyeurism is rude to the writer people who post on here, maybe my assumptions are naive, idk. i'm definitely skewed by my longtime abdication of privacy in my own digital spaces. i just wanted to provide a second-generation forum user perspective on the meta-question of linkages to writers' work outside of the forum.
― austinb, Friday, 17 August 2018 07:22 (five years ago) link
great posts by Tim and Jordan itt, much better than the song tbh
― niels, Friday, 17 August 2018 10:56 (five years ago) link
Dragging someone’s work into ilx in order to score poitns seems... vulgar
I did not "drag someone's work into ILX" to score points. I posted a link to other critics' responses -- as I often do, and as I often do to my own work -- because I thought it was good writing about a band I've intermittently liked, including their last album.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 August 2018 11:24 (five years ago) link
Well, it would seem like if you do give 1975 obsessives enough rope they will hang themselces eventually. The biggest surprise is that it happened so quick.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 17 August 2018 11:24 (five years ago) link
*themselves
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 17 August 2018 11:25 (five years ago) link
get out
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 17 August 2018 11:36 (five years ago) link
Alfred linked to a review of the 1975 single so we could discuss it here. That's about as normal as things get on an internet forum about music. Having those reviews - including Katherine's - discussed here is too. That's not "vulgar" ffs.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 17 August 2018 11:42 (five years ago) link
anyway a new song came out a couple of days ago!
― k3vin k., Friday, 17 August 2018 11:57 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li9swopkHTo
the spotify vid is cute
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 17 August 2018 12:02 (five years ago) link
for fuck's sake, the review is deleted. it's gone. it no longer exists. please stop talking about and please do not mention me in this thread ever again
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 17 August 2018 12:09 (five years ago) link
also calling me a troll and calling my viewpoint -- shared by six other people in that post alone, not to mention many other people -- "insane" is the opposite of "thoughtful dialog."
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 17 August 2018 12:14 (five years ago) link
talking about the 1975 anywhere at all on the internet as a non-stan apparently
http://wondermark.com/c/2014-09-19-1062sea.png
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 17 August 2018 12:30 (five years ago) link
why is this still happening
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 17 August 2018 12:38 (five years ago) link