I agree, I'd prefer if there were no nominations and we could vote for whatever we like. In that case, we'd need about 400 more people to vote in order get any sort of consensus so that the list would mean something.
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 28 April 2005 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link
I think it'd be better to eliminate the one-offs from the tally at the end instead of excluding them outright from the voting. For instance, you just say up front that "albums with only one vote don't get counted." So if you want to take that risk, that's your choice.
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The poll results wouldn't look that different with open nominations. Look at pitchfork's.
― Keith C (kcraw916), Thursday, 28 April 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 28 April 2005 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 28 April 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― billstevejim, Thursday, 28 April 2005 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nick H (Nick H), Thursday, 28 April 2005 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link
Exactly -- you can't get much consensus by polling only 20 people, which is why you need to take some of those lists with a grain of salt (they do make up for it somewhat by voting for 100 albums each, rather than the 35 (on average) that we did).
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 28 April 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link
I was thinking of volunteering my servics to do an 80's poll, but I was going to leave it a few weeks. Well, at least until the tracks are out of the way.
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 28 April 2005 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 28 April 2005 22:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 28 April 2005 22:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 28 April 2005 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 28 April 2005 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 28 April 2005 22:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 28 April 2005 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link
If we do another poll, I think it should be saved for the fall. Give ILM a few poll-free months so that we come back in October ALL HUNGRY FOR SOME POLLING ACTION.
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 28 April 2005 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 28 April 2005 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Keith C (kcraw916), Thursday, 28 April 2005 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link
And three cheers for HP.
― Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Thursday, 28 April 2005 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 28 April 2005 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link
Abso-fucking-lutely!!!!!!!
― Pradaismus (Dada), Friday, 29 April 2005 08:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― gspm (gspm), Friday, 29 April 2005 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 29 April 2005 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Friday, 29 April 2005 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Friday, 29 April 2005 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Friday, 29 April 2005 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 29 April 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― jmeister (jmeister), Saturday, 30 April 2005 04:41 (nineteen years ago) link
But it didn't happen like that.. Giving a month to finish nominations, and another month to vote put things back longer, and then it did take me a while to count votes. There are good reasons for that, that I'm not going to go into here. Some things happened earlier this year that caused me a few problems, and made me want to hide away from the world for a bit. Including the internet.
Anyway, that, together with coursework, exams, you name it...meant it all got put off until last week. May not being a particularly quiet time at University, they took longer to post because they had to be slotted in between staying up all night writing bollocks that is of no interest to anyone essays. Which is the reason for the delay in the singles poll too...
Anyway, I didn't post this as a whinge, but as an explanation. I can start putting the singles poll up on friday, but there will be a big gap in the middle, as next week is going to be one of those drinking far too much caffeine, avoiding sleep if possible and trying to cram work that would normally take about a month into one week type of weeks.
Or it can go up the weekend after next when it all ENDS! Temporarily.
It ended up as a whinge, anyway, didn't it?
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link
Well, I tried to make them a bit more open for this poll - and there was some criticism of that in the initial thread - some people thought there should only be two nominations for each category as in previous polls.
Its a lovely idea not to have to nominate at all, there were so many things I discovered I'd missed out. Or perhaps to have an unlimited number of nominations - to give people a list to think about, even if hey don't have to stick to it (I know there are things I'd miss if they weren't on that list). Just one problem - it would be a huge list and complete fucking nightmare to add up. I wonder if Steve (I think it was Steve who started the whole thing) wisely chose two nomiations for each so he could attempt to keep track of the poll.
If anyone was brave enough to try it with no nomiations, that would certainly make it interesting. You might wish you hadn't, though.
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link
Oh, any news on the album poll with my vote included? If too busy, that's cool no worries.
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link
The whole thing being the 00s poll or the 90s poll or whichever one prompted the current round of polls.
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link
1 (2) Clash - London Calling 9982 (1) Sly And The Family Stone - There's A Riot Goin On 9703 (4) Television - Marquee Moon 943 4 (3) Bob Dylan - Blood On The Tracks 8845 (5) Kraftwerk - Trans Europe Express 8386 (8) PiL - Metal Box 8247 (6) Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures 8108 (7) Blondie - Parallel Lines 7819 (9)Buzzcocks - Singles Going Steady 75810 (10) Marvin Gaye - What's Going On 74611 (11) Rolling Stones - Exile On Main Street 73212 (12) Stevie Wonder - Innervisions 73213 (13) Gang Of Four - Entertainment! 70614 (15) Modern Lovers - Modern Lovers 69315 (14) David Bowie - The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust 69216 (19) Stooges - Funhouse 62517 (16) Sex Pistols - Nevermind The Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols 61618 (17) Various - The Harder They Come (Soundtrack) 60419 (18) Michael Jackson - Off The Wall 60120 (22) Ramones - The Ramones 60021 (20) Kraftwerk - The Man Machine 56922 (21) Al Green - Call Me 56423 (27) Wire - Pink Flag 54924 (23) Brian Eno - Here Come The Warm Jets 54625 (26) Can - Tago Mago 54426 (24) Joni Mitchell - Blue 52127 (25) David Bowie - Low 51328 (28) Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers 49729 (29) Velvet Underground - Loaded 49630 (30) Clash - The Clash (Uk Version) 45631 (31) Big Star - Radio City 45432 (39) Wire - Chairs Missing 44733 (32) Neil Young - After The Goldrush 44634 (33) Elvis Costello - This Year's Model 43735 (34) Nick Drake - Pink Moon 42436 (35) Serge Gainsbourg - Histoire Du Melody Nelson 42337 (36) Brian Eno - Another Green World 41738 (37) Can - Ege Bamyasi 41139 (38) Stevie Wonder - Songs In The Key Of Life Wire - Chairs Missing 40040 (40) Gram Parsons - Grievous Angel 39141 (41) Neil Young - On The Beach 38442 (42) Talking Heads - More Songs About Buildings And Food 38143 (43) Steve Reich - Music For 18 Musicians 36344 (46) Suicide - First Album 35945 (44) Curtis Mayfield - Superfly 35846 (45) Miles Davis - On The Corner 35247 (46) Stevie Wonder - Talking Book 34848 (48) RRoxy Music - For Your Pleasure 34549 (49) Roxy Music - s/t 33950 (50) Steely Dan - Pretzel Logic 33851 (51) Neil Young - Tonight's The Night 33752 (52) Fall - Dragnet Fall - Dragnet 33753 (53) David Bowie - Hunky Dory 33054 (54) Richard And Linda Thompson - I Want To See The Bright Lights Tonight 32155 (55) Ornette Coleman - Dancing In Your Head 32056 (56) Fleetwood Mac - Rumours 31057 (57) Congos - Heart Of The Congos 31058 (58) Bob Dylan and the Band - The Basement Tapes 30059 (59) Miles Davis - Bitches Brew 29960 (60) Elvis Costello - My Aim Is True 29761 (61) Neil Young - Rust Never Sleeps 29662 (80) Neu! - Neu! 29163 (62) David Bowie - Station To Station 28964 (63) Black Sabbath - Paranoid 28965 (68) Wire - 154 28966 (64) Big Star - #1 Record 28167 (65) Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here 27168 (66) Led Zeppelin - IV 27069 (67) Led Zeppelin - Houses Of The Holy 26970 (69) Various - Saturday Night Fever OST 26671 (84) Iggy & The Stooges - Raw Power 26572 (70) Brian Eno - Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy) 26373 (71) Parliament - Mothership Connection 26274 (72) Marvin Gaye - Let's Get It On 26075 (73) Miles Davis - Jack Johnson 25876 (74) Donna Summer "On the Radio" 25777 (75) John Cale - Paris 1919 25678 (76) Big Star - Third 25179 (83) Slits - Cut 24880 (77) Funkadelic - Maggot Brain Neu! - Neu! 24681 (79) Beatles - Let It Be Beach Boys - Surf's Up 24482 (82) Nick Drake - Bryter Later 24183 (78) John Lennon - Plastic Ono Band 24184 (81) Beach Boys - Surf's Up 24085 (85) Leonard Cohen - Songs Of Love And Hate 23286 (86) Parliament - Funkentelechy vs. The Placebo Syndrome 23187 (87) B52's - The B52's 22988 (88) Can - Future Days 22289 (100) Various - Nuggets 22190 (89) Sparks - No. 1 In Heaven 22091 (92) Sparks - Kimono My House 21492 (94) Augustus Pablo - King Tubby Meets Rockers Uptown 21493 (90) Steely Dan - Countdown to Ecstasy 21294 (91) Cheap Trick - At Budokan 21195 (93) Philip Glass - Einstein On The Beach 20896 (127) Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance 20897 (97) Kate Bush - The Kick Inside 20698 (95) Cure - Three Imaginary Boys 20499 (105) Captain Beefheart And The Magic Band - Lick My Decals Off, Baby 204100 (98) David Bowie - "Heroes" 203102 (96) Bruce Springsteen - Darkness On The Edge Of Town 203 203102 (99) New York Dolls - s/t 203
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link
Regret: As my vote was sent to the wrong place, Pere Ubu's "The Modern Dance" and CaptBeef's "Lick my Decals" missed out (shame).
However, there was something so right about the Nuggets box being in position 100.
And heck, how much fighting would there have been if "London Calling" was the 'real' number one?
You choose.
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 5 May 2005 06:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 5 May 2005 07:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 5 May 2005 07:05 (nineteen years ago) link
for completeness, here's the rest of the PFM 100. you can barely put a feather between the two camps these days, huh?
1 Low David Bowie 2 London Calling The Clash 3 Marquee Moon Television4 There's A Riot Goin' On Sly & the Family Stone5 Blood On The Tracks Bob Dylan6 Trans-Europe Express Kraftwerk7 Led Zeppelin IV8 Entertainment! Gang of Four9 Unknown Pleasures Joy Division10 Another Green World Brian Eno11 Exile On Main Street Rolling Stones12 Fun House The Stooges13 Pink Moon Nick Drake14 Loaded The Velvet Underground15 Who's Next The Who16 Singles Going Steady Buzzcocks17 Maggot Brain Funkadelic 18 Bitches Brew Miles Davis 19 Ege Bamyasi Can20 Electric Warrior T Rex21 Histoire de Melody Nelson Serge Gainsbourg22 Pink Flag Wire23 Ramones The Ramones24 Here Come the Warm Jets Brian Eno 25 Neu!26 Innervisions Stevie Wonder 27 Led Zeppelin III 28 Let It Be The Beatles29 Tago Mago Can30 On the Corner Miles Davis 31 Fear Of Music Talking Heads 32 The Wall Pink Floyd 33 Chairs Missing Wire34 Saturday Night Fever (soundtrack) 35 Y Pop Group36 Wish You Were Here Pink Floyd37 My Aim Is True Elvis Costello 38 Drums and Wires XTC 39 Suicide40 The Modern Lovers41 Rumours Fleetwood Mac 42 The Specials 43 Off The Wall Michael Jackson 44 The Clash45 More Songs About Buildings and Food Talking Heads 46 Heart of The Congos47 Call Me Al Green 48 Live-Evil Miles Davis 49 What's Going On Marvin Gaye 50 Starsailor Tim Buckley 51 Never Mind The Bollocks Here's The Sex Pistols52 This Year's Model Elvis Costello & the Attractions 53 Music for 18 Musicians Steve Reich 54 Cosmo's Factory Creedence Clearwater Revival 55 Bryter Layter Nick Drake 56 Future Days Can 57 Paul Simon
― zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 5 May 2005 10:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― peepee (peepee), Thursday, 5 May 2005 11:05 (nineteen years ago) link
Hah! Me, too. I hated it until "Poptones" came on during shuffle. I'd heard it many times by them, but that anti-lilting guitar line just assailed me.. After that, listen to "Swan Lake" and then "Albatross".. I'm still not sure if I really like the second side (as it were) all that much..
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 5 May 2005 11:18 (nineteen years ago) link
I feel the same way about "Exile on Main Street", which I finally got around to listening to the other day. I mean it's pleasant enough - kind of like the Stones doing the Dead - that sort of innocuous jammy country-blues-rock, but best Stones album? I don't get it.
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:03 (nineteen years ago) link
A singles list seems like a nightmare because there are so many of them.
― BeeOK (boo radley), Saturday, 7 May 2005 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link
Sorry, was this thread going to sleep beore I prodded it again?
― mark grout (mark grout), Sunday, 8 May 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 8 May 2005 20:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Sunday, 8 May 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Atnevon (Atnevon), Sunday, 8 May 2005 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link