and then there's this interview: http://www.rocktownhall.com/blogs/index.php?p=566&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#more5 he's gotta be at least sort of kidding. right?
― tylerw, Monday, 11 June 2007 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link
Please refrain from mentioning the name of my forthcoming record. Please do not mention the phrase. This will assist me in my well thought about promotional campaign.
^^^ i like this very much
― gff, Monday, 11 June 2007 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link
so this show if it happens is gonna be a fiasco?
Actually, not quite. If it happens at all I imagine they'll draft in Jimmy Rip to play 2nd guitar. He's been solo-act Tom Verlaine's 2nd guitarist live and on most records for over 20 years, and he knows most of the TV songs from live sets. He's a great foil for Tom, but not at all in the same style as Lloyd. Rip is more of an atmospheric scene-painter for Verlaine's foreground action. They have great chemistry on stage together.
But there will be serious umbrage if a Television concert happens with Rip instead of LLoyd, that's for sure. Don't see how else it can go through, though, and I don't imagine it's easy to reschedule a free Central Park gig.
― Jon Lewis, Monday, 11 June 2007 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link
verlaine should hire j. mascis.
― hstencil, Monday, 11 June 2007 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link
that interview is crazee
― Mr. Que, Monday, 11 June 2007 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link
"The original LP had 09:58, i believe (off the top of my head)...."
Wow Mark, you remember the duration of individual tracks on favourite LP's? I bow down in humble admiration at the feet of true music-obsessive greatness!
― Stewart Osborne, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 10:00 (seventeen years ago) link
Ha, just cause I looked longingly at that "Marquee Moon" 12" single for so long, back in the day. It was one of the first 12" singles made, and certainly the first "rock" one that justified its existance for the length of the track!
― Mark G, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 10:10 (seventeen years ago) link
http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/217715.jpg
Look! Here's one!
― Mark G, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 10:12 (seventeen years ago) link
Lloyd leaving is a bummer…I dunno if I'd wanna see Television it's all skronky Verlainisms and no Lloyd hot licks: the contrast on MM is Lloyd solo at 2:58; Verlainisms at 4:51…Lloyd does ALL the heavy lifting…
― Veronica Moser, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 12:20 (seventeen years ago) link
Ack. I was planning on going to the show this Saturday. Lloyd, despite his apparent delusions of grandeur, is my favorite part of that band. Someone please tell me he'll be there.
― kwhitehead, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm going no matter what.
How much ahead of time do you usually have to show up for Summerstage shows in order to get a decent patch of ground?
― Jon Lewis, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link
Can't help you, haven't ever been to one. Maybe some of these enlightened ILM folks can be more helpful.
― kwhitehead, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 03:15 (seventeen years ago) link
was in a shop where they were playing it last week. Have been unable to remove it from my turntable since. I just love guitars with that clean sound that cross each other rhythmically.
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 12:22 (fourteen years ago) link
I played it last week (the new remaster with the 'alt mixes' added)
I have revised my opinion of "Torn Curtain", it's fine but the fade out is about 2 mins too long (or so it seems)...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 12:26 (fourteen years ago) link
The Radiant Monkey.
oops.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 12:31 (fourteen years ago) link
A 12-year old looking Tom Verlaine and his black beret playing Marquee Moon in 1985: not the best version ever, but still good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYFn8NUicY4
― Marco Damiani, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:38 (fourteen years ago) link
still not tired of this song
― tylerw, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:43 (fourteen years ago) link
ditto
those arpeggiated dueling guitars in the bridge are the meaning of life imo
― Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:03 (fourteen years ago) link
that live version is pretty sick
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah the 80s versions of marquee are off the hook
― tylerw, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link
i've always loved "torn curtain". it's so ott, like a melodramatic showtune or something. the way the guitar is just practically screaming at the end
― anita bonghit (rionat), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:21 (fourteen years ago) link
tempting (un poco)
― nerve_pylon, Friday, 22 July 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
hee hee! would buy if it was the spanish language version. sobre de la marquesina lunaaaa ...
― tylerw, Friday, 22 July 2011 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS27RAXhBWQ
― (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 22 July 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
misspelled bryan uno's name there.
― tylerw, Friday, 22 July 2011 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
wow that's a lot more velvetsy
― goole, Friday, 22 July 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
WEIRD. The timing of the doodle-oodle-oodle-oo guitar licks is completely different.Also, I didn't know the Eno mixes were kicking around.Also, this sounds lousy in comparison! Very interesting.Also, 7 years late, but the connection between Felt and Television is spelled out on Felt's song "Mobile Shack" off "Me and a Monkey on the Moon":
Working in a shop is a dead end jobI left after eight weeks, it was just as well'Cause coming up behind me like a high speed trainWas the new york city new wave, Verlaine/Hell
I was born in the back of a mobile shackAnd my mother said to me son: "Play guitar"
― Disneyland Purgatory (Ówen P.), Friday, 22 July 2011 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
the demos were done w/ richard hell, and he just was not the right bass player for television. it's amazing how much they improved once fred smith was in the band. i like the hell-era recordings, but they're a different kinda thing. always funny to me that the bnd claimed that doodle oodle oo riff was inspired by the horn lick on james brown's "i feel good." also that they thought they could get away w/ splitting up "little johnny jewel" on a seven inch because james brown did that all the time. james brown -- television's secret influence!
― tylerw, Friday, 22 July 2011 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
sort of crazy that in a world with dozens of shitty sounding stooges recordings released officially they've never put the eno demos out.
― tylerw, Friday, 22 July 2011 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
now that's the straight up legit truth. also, at the end of the day, richard hell = meh.
― nerve_pylon, Friday, 22 July 2011 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
whosoever wants the eno demos: http://ow.ly/5L6xd (that's the classic double exposure bootleg, it's got the eno demos + other odds n ends)
― tylerw, Friday, 22 July 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
whoah. thanks, tyler!
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 22 July 2011 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
no prob (just grabbed the link from another blog). i remember wanting that bootleg SO BAD back in the days before the internet made it all available. i saw it once in NYC but could not afford it and felt like dying. memories.
― tylerw, Friday, 22 July 2011 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
the drumming is a lot more james brown/can-esque on that version too.
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Friday, 22 July 2011 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.crawdaddy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/3313marqueemoon.jpgjust got this in the mail -- haven't really gotten too far, but the author seems to know what he's talking about.
― tylerw, Friday, 22 July 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
You can imagine how *I* felt on finding a Double Exposure album for not stupid money....
― Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
i think this is the first time i've ever actually played this album. right now. i went outside for a cigarette during "marquee moon" though. it's still going. i never had a copy. someone brought in the 4 men with beards reissue. reissue is kinda noisy.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
still like the roir tape live versions better. like way better. i mean, i've probably heard all these songs at some point in my life. i only really like three songs by them. (friction, mm, ljj)
― scott seward, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
Scott, try to hear the Live At The Old Waldorf LP which Rhino Handmade put out, it's shit-hot like the ROIR but good radio broadcast sound.
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
I never liked Television much until I heard the Brian Eno demo bootleg versions of a few of the songs from Marquee Moon. Richard Hell on bass, much more raw energy, only reaffirms for me the fact that the album sounds kind of flat.
― simulation and similac (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
Skot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjEFuUNc3Uc&feature=related
Scott, do you not like Foxhole?
― Feebs K-Tel (NickB), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
xp this is known as the Enoic Challops iirc
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
Someone Find that TOTP appearance!
― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
enoic challops indeed. those eno demos are good but imo nowhere near the grandeur of marquee moon. gonna be posting a collection of hell-era television recordings on my blog soon. what should i call it? The Hell Year? Hellevision? Season In Hell?
― tylerw, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
I guess it comes down to Whichever version you heard first.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
here's that "foxhole" from the old grey whistle testhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sCQ0hEYhZE
― tylerw, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
It's nice that exists, sure.
But, apparently they did "Prove It" on totp but the tapes are wiped.
And I know nobody that remembers it!
― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
oh ha, never knew they were on top of the pops. a shame, i think that foxhole is the only pro footage of the band in the 70s....
― tylerw, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
that OGWT clip is great. forgotten how shaky the vocals were though (apart from the fred and richard bit at the end!)
― Feebs K-Tel (NickB), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link