that album is in my top five this year, he killed it
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 6 November 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link
about halfway through its very pretty. think its gonna stick for me too
― Spottie, Monday, 6 November 2017 19:42 (six years ago) link
a very emo story...news editor of consequence of sound has been catfishing women for years using the photos of Topshelf Records owner
.@toomuchfuzz (Michelle Geslani) has been using my identity and likeness to catfish women online since at least 2011. a statement: pic.twitter.com/N4qik8Dvwj— LiLdRuMmErBoY85 (@kevinduquette) November 2, 2017
My statement regarding yesterday's allegations @kevinduquette pic.twitter.com/jYf0rtPDVW— mich e//e (@toomuchfuzz) November 3, 2017
― Frozen CD, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 21:46 (six years ago) link
wow @ pulling the "coming out" apology pivot post-spacey
― Simon H., Tuesday, 7 November 2017 23:35 (six years ago) link
Pianos Become the Teeth sound like an emo band again and I'm not sure how to feel about that yet
https://open.spotify.com/track/5kEHz2d1bafXdAem3PfIya
― Simon H., Friday, 10 November 2017 14:44 (six years ago) link
oh what's up rolling emo thread. i like the new dashboard song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SANXNco_y4
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 17 November 2017 13:48 (six years ago) link
yesssss
― Spottie, Friday, 17 November 2017 19:48 (six years ago) link
This seems a key read
https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/unraveling-the-sexism-of-emos-third-wave/
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 November 2017 20:06 (six years ago) link
there's probably an instance in the brand new thread of me... not exactly defending "me vs. maradona" but thinking it was more self-aware and self-loathing than, say, any song from your favorite weapon, and ofc that makes me feel sick now
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 17 November 2017 20:43 (six years ago) link
Where did we lose the plot? When I think about the decades that immediately preceded third-wave emo—about D.C. punk, riot grrrl, Kurt Cobain proclaiming women the future of rock—I’m astonished that it happened at all.
what jenn gets at here is something i've thought about a lot. i mean, nothing moves in a straight line; things fluctuate and loop around themselves. but still, as a genre emo started out as a somewhat gendered response to hardcore (i mean it was still a boy's club but it was a boy's club that seemed to long to subvert or reject masculinity) that over the course of 15 years rerouted itself into outright misogyny. (of course this description kinda flattens how many different things emo became just within the '90s)
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 17 November 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link
I think it came from how early emo was about really laying your insides bare, putting your emotional baggage right out there. This idea gave gross dudes what they saw as license to just spit out all their misogynistic baggage out there because that's what they were feeling without the smallish scene politics to keep their shit in check. (I mean early emo wasn't all wine and roses either but there's definitely a change when mainstream emo hit larger audiences.)
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Friday, 17 November 2017 21:07 (six years ago) link
^^ yeah that's basically the conclusion i've come to myself
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 17 November 2017 21:18 (six years ago) link
Baring your soul can lead to some terrifying shit if your soul is filled with garbage.
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Friday, 17 November 2017 21:22 (six years ago) link
tbh I don't really think there's anything wrong with that "Sugar We're Going Down" line (though there's plenty of other ugly or gross Wentz lyrics esp from that era)
― Simon H., Saturday, 18 November 2017 03:04 (six years ago) link
agreed and agreed. i was just thinking of the distance in perspective just between from under the cork tree and infinity on high
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 18 November 2017 04:55 (six years ago) link
wait actually, sorry, i’m drunk, which “sugar we’re going down” lyric are we referring to
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 18 November 2017 05:08 (six years ago) link
the "notch in your bedbost / line in a song" one
anyway, that new Camp Cope song is massive
― Simon H., Saturday, 18 November 2017 15:20 (six years ago) link
yes that line is great
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 18 November 2017 15:48 (six years ago) link
i'm super loving Young Jesus
― flopson, Monday, 20 November 2017 23:32 (six years ago) link
That Pinegrove statement is insanely vague but still troubling.
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 16:13 (six years ago) link
I might be erring on the side of optimism here but it reads like a cautious reaction/reflection as opposed to damage control (this is of course subject to change as facts emerge)
― Simon H., Tuesday, 21 November 2017 16:27 (six years ago) link
I suspect it's quite bad. The statement twists itself into knots trying to avoid saying what he did, which completely negates the apology and makes me suspect the worst.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 16:32 (six years ago) link
It's so easy to nitpick these apologies, because they're inherently self-serving, but this one particularly left a foul taste in my mouth. He avoids saying "I did it," or even mentioning what "it" is. And he plays the "I'm trying to respect the privacy of the victim" card, which would be thoughtful if not for the two long paragraphs of superfluous identifying details about her, which do nothing except to justify how he might have "monumentally misread" the situation. Gross.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link
it's an extremely confusing statement
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 16:42 (six years ago) link
It's confusing by design, I think. I've seen quite a few people on Twitter who think he's apologizing for sleeping with consenting fans on the road and don't understand what the big deal is. That part of the apology is conversational catnip, but it's also beyond the scope of what he's been accused of and is apologizing for. It just blurs things and changes the conversation.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 16:46 (six years ago) link
I'm inclined to agree with you Evan. It's either one of two things, what simon said, that it's just an overly cautious attempt to get ahead of the game of something possibly small, or it's intentionally obfuscating something much bigger. I feel like the latter comes across as more likely given how vague the apology is.
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 17:07 (six years ago) link
unfortunately from what i've heard (which is... just whispers at the moment, so i'm not in a position to clarify beyond this extremely vague post, but hopefully it can kinda... prepare people for what's going to happen next) this isn't good
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 21:08 (six years ago) link
fucking hell
― Simon H., Tuesday, 21 November 2017 21:12 (six years ago) link
Nobody's perfect and most publications are trying to cover this stuff sensitively, but I suspect music media is going to have to have a conversation with itself about how it's covered this story. Letting an abuser define the narrative is bad precedent—it makes the story not about the abuse, but about the abuser's soul-searching journey— and I suspect the widespread adoption of his "sexual coercion" terminology is going to look very embarrassing soon.
It's a tricky story to report, especially with what's on the record right now, but it's not the press's job to do P.R. for an abuser.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 21:54 (six years ago) link
eh in this case i don’t think the press had much choice
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 22:22 (six years ago) link
I mean, this headline has been chilling on the front page of Pitchfork all afternoon: Pinegrove Cancel Tour After Accusation of Sexual Coercion Against Frontman Evan Stephens Hall
doesn't look great for him either way
― voodoo chili, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 22:30 (six years ago) link
if i said "i just hope this doesn't bury the next Pinegrove album forever" is that "haha funny/true" or HEY MAN NOT FUNNY! in this delicate time on the internet
― alpine static, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 22:32 (six years ago) link
imo you should keep that shit to yourself
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 22:36 (six years ago) link
xxp Lots of headlines frame the story around his apology, letting him get ahead of the narrative. EW's, for instance: "Pinegrove cancels tour after 'sexual coercion' accusation: 'I am so sorry,' singer says"
And this A.V. Club report is... just about as bad as it could be. This lead gushes with appreciation about him coming clean "as soon as they were brought to his attention," and frames the narrative around him coming to terms with what he did:
As more and more people get called out for inappropriate abusive behavior in their past, Pinegrove frontman Evan Stephens Hall has decided to issue a response to allegations of misconduct against him as soon as they were brought to his attention rather than wait until the backlash had begun to swell. In a post on the band’s Facebook page, Hall said that he has been accused of sexual coercion, saying that he now realizes he abused his power as a member of the band by partaking in “flirtatious” and “intimate” encounters with fans. “I’ve reached the conclusion now that that’s not ever appropriate,” Hall writes, “even if they initiate it. There will always be an unfair power dynamic at play in these situations and it’s not ok for me to ignore that.”
I get that these are weird circumstances, but we gotta do better than that.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 22:38 (six years ago) link
evan literally the only information available is the apology
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 22:41 (six years ago) link
the av club report sucks, agreed
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 22:42 (six years ago) link
xxp fair enough, thx
― alpine static, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 22:45 (six years ago) link
new Glassjaw out next week. I like the single, sort of Deftonesy in the verse/chorus dynamic
― Simon H., Friday, 24 November 2017 15:11 (six years ago) link
i’ve never really liked glassjaw so i’m curious
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 24 November 2017 16:14 (six years ago) link
tbh same, Worship and Tribute sounds cool but never did much for me in terms of the actual content
― Simon H., Friday, 24 November 2017 16:15 (six years ago) link
that new song sounds extremely cool though
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 24 November 2017 16:26 (six years ago) link
It's more post-hardcore than emo but man this Flagland record is the craziest rock record I've heard in a long time, a big freewheeling shoestring opus. it seems beamed in from 2002 in the best way possible
https://flagland.bandcamp.com/album/two-brothers-and-a-ghost
― Simon H., Monday, 27 November 2017 14:38 (six years ago) link
I was listening to that just now! It was sounding kinda good - I think I turned it off during track 2 to check a few other things out, but you say it's worth hearing straight through?
― imago, Monday, 27 November 2017 14:40 (six years ago) link
I'm still only halfway through cause it's so fucking long - the vocalist is the weakpoint (as usual) but I'm digging the dynamism
― Simon H., Monday, 27 November 2017 14:52 (six years ago) link
not one but four literary quotes on the bandcamp page
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 27 November 2017 15:40 (six years ago) link
this record sure is like, 1/5 terrible and 4/5ths good
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 27 November 2017 15:50 (six years ago) link
lmao yes that's about right. if they get an actual producer for the next one I could see them making a real killer
― Simon H., Monday, 27 November 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
I just get excited when bands get overambitious, it seems like everyone's making tidy, safe little records these days
― Simon H., Monday, 27 November 2017 15:56 (six years ago) link
Seconding the People Like You recommendation above. Sort of like American Football if vocals were provided by The Anniversary.
https://peoplelikeyoumusic.bandcamp.com/album/verse
― Mercer Finn, Monday, 27 November 2017 16:45 (six years ago) link
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/04/young-and-dumb-inside
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link