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hahha actually this is better than that time cuz for this he seems to be using basically the same argument but with lil wayne in place of stephen merritt

― anticon jemima (ooo), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Lil Wayne is pretty short, do you think he's ever been to Runt?

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

ya'll win as usual - there's only one kind of discrimination worth caring about!

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought that was your thesis.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I gotta get a cheat-sheet or something reminding me - racism bad, homophobia/misogyny/all else a-ok

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

again, plz explain homophobia inherent in 'stuntin like my boyfriend'??? i mean, aside from the noted fact that gay dudes hate to speculate or joke about the sexuality of entertainers

― anticon jemima (ooo), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

especially entertainers with a streak of homophobia, who would be made uncomfortable by such jokes or speculations

― anticon jemima (ooo), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

uh, sure, that was my point. anyway, if you need a cheat-sheet for anything, it's all the gay-themed variations on the title of "stuntin' like my daddy," of which "stuntin' like my boyfriend" is probably the most benign, especially if you believe (which you seem to) that lil wayne is out'n'proud (xpost)

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

give him a break al theres always some ambiguities to figure out in the first couple months you know someone

― anticon jemima (ooo), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

"stuntin' like my life partner"

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean, Alex, my sole point was "hey Ethan: that's homophobic garbage, yr 'stuntin' like my boyfriend' riff," to which Ethan responded with "I'm just clowning a guy who tongues a dude while using homophobic language himself" which was weak sauce - sure Eth, you were exposing Wayne's homophobia, that's what that was about. I know I look crazy to you guys, I'm just genuinely mystified by your (and Jess's, and Ethan's) continual "aww, c'mon" stance about any non-racial discrimination - which is what Ethan's comment was, however much you wanna bang at me about whatever else. Whether Wayne's gay or a virulent homophobe doesn't really enter into the equation much; I took umbrage at Ethan running off a homophobic comment, and at knowing that nobody really gives a shit, since all of us (I'm included in the "us" here) who listen to rap have sort of agreed to just give a pass to homophobia and misogyny while remaining highly alert to racism. I can't figure out what that's about, maybe it's a blind spot for me. NB Alex I do note that you say "it's a noble if quixotic cause" but I'm not even "fighting homophobia in hip-hop," that's a lost cause: I'm just taking offense at homophobic comments on ILX & at rather tortured defenses of same

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

except that was like the 5th reference to wayne/birdman being gay in this thread. (is Jess really culpable in this? I don't think of him as being as cavalier about this kind of thing as, say, me or Ethan, although he did participate in the joking a little upthread)

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link

don't drag me into this darnielle

― parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost

― parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe we need to get jaymc in here to find out who on this thread has sucked the most dick

― parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link

dude what the fuck

the fact that wayne uses constant homophobic language is a pretty big factor of this!! im not clowning elton john or whatever for doing a homoerotic song

do you think people who clown strom thurmond or thomas jefferson for being big racists while getting some brown sugar on the side are against race-mixing? i think if anything stuff like that & joking that homophobes like wayne secretly have boyfriends speaks to the self-denial of bigotry & says that love/lust (ok just lust in the case of tj & strom) are more powerful than racism or homophobia

― anticon jemima (ooo), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

anyway i don't really call Ethan out for anything anymore (or at least don't grandstand about it on here and keep it contained to IM windows), i've just learned to accept the near-constant stream of indefensible nonsense that's part and parcel with the jewels and LOLs he drops

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry jess I get confused with the aliases, I don't exactly have a pedestal to stand on there I know

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link

pick your battles more wisely maybe TT? or do you expect ethan to apologize on letterman now?

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link

seriously i think you need to realize the difference between gay jokes about a guy who would be seriously pissed off by them because he hates gays & asshole homophobes who think anybody gay is inherently hilarious (eminem, byron crawford, etc)

― anticon jemima (ooo), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

uh al, that's actually all of ILX not just ethan

― parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

john its kinda fucked up that whenever i make a point you just retreat into 'no, no, you guys are right, racism is the only predjudice worth caring about' which nobody here has ever come close to saying except in your lagging record sales induced fever dreams

― anticon jemima (ooo), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link

something kind of interesting that I realized this morning: "Stuntin' Like My Daddy" is now Wayne's 2nd biggest (or at least highest charting) single ever (after "Go DJ," not counting R&B collabs), and it's been blowing up at pretty much the same time as the whole gay panic about him and Baby has become the obsession of the hip hop community. it might have long term repercussions for his career but it doesn't seem to have effected his Best Rapper Alive status much at all for the time being.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

now ethan, it should be pointed out that john's probably making more off of music than any of us are making at our shitty jobs

― parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

my job is awesome i work with skeksis

― anticon jemima (ooo), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link

ethan in even-more-scattershot-attack-than-me shocker

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Lolling 2006 Hip Hop

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm curious to see if this continues, people worshipping Wayne as an MC while snickering about him and Baby. it wouldn't the first time hip hop fans had the utmost respect for a rapper's talent while bagging on them mercilessly for some random shit that's irrelevent when it comes to the quality of their records (see also: Jay being old/wearing sandals/whatever and the whole "he's an egomaniac asshole but who cares if the album's good" thing with Kanye) (xpost)

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

other things about me you might wanna drag in rather than say "you're right, that was kinda a bullshit thing to say": my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone, I only like one Li'l Flip song

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

are you gonna address anything i said or just keep shrieking the word homophobia while other people actually discuss it?

― anticon jemima (ooo), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link

see also ll being gay but the albums good

― anticon jemima (ooo), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

does anyone actually have 'utmost respect for the rappers talent' regarding kayne? besides you in 2004 i mean

― anticon jemima (ooo), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

99% of your fans wear size 14 heels (xpost well OK maybe not Kanye as a rapper but when Late Registration came out even you were like "ok I still hate him but this is pretty good")

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link

lupe fiasco does

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link

what would be the point of addressing anything you said? your dodgeball skills are PhD stuff

still, fine:

the fact that wayne uses constant homophobic language is a pretty big factor of this!! im not clowning elton john or whatever for doing a homoerotic song

yeah, it might - your joke sure doesn't read that way to me. It reads like "fags."

x-post man I said something about kanye not being that great a rapper a couple of years back around here and I got my ass handed to me in a bag

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah it is pretty good

im much more likely to hate on wayne having a bunch of corny rap blog/pfork/hollertronix/indierock-singer-songwriter newjacks on his dick than i am for him making out with bonk's revenge

― anticon jemima (ooo), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:54 (seventeen years ago) link

i hear sufjan stevens is covering "shooter" on his tour

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link

haha i was gonna make a joke using some other indie singer-songwriter but i realized i dont know any. this is like when maura was talking about "jose gonzales" the other night and apparently i looked at her and joe like a dog whose food dish had been taken away mid-meal.

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:56 (seventeen years ago) link

oh wait, i guess i know ONE other indie singer-songwriter

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:56 (seventeen years ago) link

they're "on his dick," are they ethan

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link

LOL (x-post jess wins, thread over)

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

yes "they" are john

― anticon jemima (ooo), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

aww man I almost wrote "we" just to preempt that'n

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

best singer-songwriter alive (yup)
best singer-songwriter alive (yup)

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

stuntin like best new music

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

skeksis like my daddy

― anticon jemima (ooo), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

wayne has a new song.

he says he didn't wake up with a woman by his side. and says "no homo" in another part

http://xxlmag.com/online/?p=6299

― M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

as a member of the lgbt community he's fully within his rights to say that

― anticon jemima (ooo), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link

can we at least agree his relationship with trina was on some tomkat shit

― anticon jemima (ooo), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i met a gay guy a while back who didn't know what a "beard" was. i had to question his credentials.

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

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