rolling emo/pop-punk/dogs on skateboards 2017

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hard to imagine someone listening to deja entendu and not finding at least some of the lyrics clever

to that reviewer's credit i believe he acknowledges that some of the lyrics are great

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:09 (seven years ago) link

give spin + andy greenwald credit for treating thursday and brand new and dashboard all seriously - i loved greenwald's nothing feels good and i remember at least a few really excellent profiles of chris carrabba at the time. probably lucky i was reading spin (and RS who iirc didn't weigh in much either way) and not p4k.

Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:10 (seven years ago) link

conversely i haaaaate the greenwald book but i hate dude's writing generally

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:11 (seven years ago) link

well, at least nothing feels good is better than everybody hurts

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:12 (seven years ago) link

i haven't read it since it came out so for all i know it would annoy me now but back then it felt good (lol) to see bands i loved getting a somewhat serious treatment on their level. iirc i particularly liked the conversations he had w/ the fans about why they loved this music.

Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:13 (seven years ago) link

I suffered p much exactly the same musical respectability politics issue that Brad did which is why the closest I got to emo at the time was The Wrens and the Desoto records stuff which tbh I really think should also be considered emo. Some of it (eg Shiner's The Egg) even got the dreaded emo pan

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link

wait, I see that actually got a positive review, I must be thinking of something else from the same period

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:10 (seven years ago) link

anyway the early aughts were such a great time for bands threading the post-hardcore / emo / indie rock / art-rock needle imo, see also Frodus

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:12 (seven years ago) link

i have no idea what these bands are simon

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:15 (seven years ago) link

oh man

the noms thread is going to feature me breathlessly droning on about guitar albums no one else gives a shit about, it's gonna suck/rule

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:18 (seven years ago) link

Black Eyes self-titled still goes hard

devvvine, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:22 (seven years ago) link

Still listen to those guys all the time. This track goes so hard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifvomZe3WLo

Evan R, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:33 (seven years ago) link

I guess we can save the debate for the poll but imo to qualify, bands should have *some* kind of over-earnest or, well, emotional quality, which is why I'd be comfortable nominating Juno but not, say, Black Eyes or Q and not U.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:37 (seven years ago) link

I think there are certain Black Eyes tracks (Deformative) but maybe not the albums

devvvine, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link

anyway the early aughts were such a great time for bands threading the post-hardcore / emo / indie rock / art-rock needle imo, see also Frodus

otm

tbh I thought Jimmy Eat World, Jets to Brazil, etc were terrible at the time. Was much more into stuff like Small Brown Bike, Hot Water, Frodus, Shiner, PMFS... which I guess means just post-hardcore, though emo-core was what we thought of it.

I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:39 (seven years ago) link

I did like Get Up Kids though so who knows

I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:40 (seven years ago) link

oh man I remember P4k shitting on JtB (and Jawbreaker's Dear You!) for their emoness so hard

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:41 (seven years ago) link

lol Danm never heard of any of those bands.

Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:43 (seven years ago) link

It isn't emo, but I lost nearly all respect for pitchfork when they gave Lifter Puller's Fiestas & Fiascos a 3.something rating, and then years later were slobbering all over the band after Hold Steady blew up and the LP discography came out.

I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:46 (seven years ago) link

lol I remember that!

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:46 (seven years ago) link

Legit surprised you've never heard of Hot Water Music in an emo thread. Sad! ;) xp

I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:46 (seven years ago) link

honestly "best album panned by p4k" would also be a great poll

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:47 (seven years ago) link

I guess we can save the debate for the poll but imo to qualify, bands should have *some* kind of over-earnest or, well, emotional quality, which is why I'd be comfortable nominating Juno but not, say, Black Eyes or Q and not U.

i would nominate q and not u personally but then i think that also opens the floodgates for like, fugazi, so idk

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:50 (seven years ago) link

it's gonna be weird maintaining the limits of a very ill-defined genre!

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:51 (seven years ago) link

yeah and it's gonna feel weird and wrong if like The Wrens place above Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge

then again...heartbreak over silly shit would be v emo, so

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link

See I dunno if it's just the influence of the college radio circles I ran with at the time or what, and honestly no offense intended, but My Chemical Romance was widely regarded as garbage by the emo "cognoscenti" I associated with when they came out. Everyone was way more into the stuff coming out on DeSoto, Deep Elm, No Idea, etc.

Or maybe I just hung out with more punk rockers than it seemed like at the time. The joys of dissecting what "emo" is at 38 years old, 17 years after the fact!

I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:00 (seven years ago) link

remember when ultragrrl (i think that was her name?) called three cheers for sweet revenge this generation's nevermind

Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 19:03 (seven years ago) link

See I dunno if it's just the influence of the college radio circles I ran with at the time or what, and honestly no offense intended, but My Chemical Romance was widely regarded as garbage by the emo "cognoscenti" I associated with when they came out.

This was v much the perception in my friend circle at the time, I only learned to love them and FOB thru ILX evangelism (esp brad's) over the least few years

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:07 (seven years ago) link

i didn't like FOB until infinity on high and continue to find those earlier albums pretty boring + derivative - i think they really came into their sound around then and it has only been excellent stuff since then. MCR otoh was great from the get-go and if anything i think they kinda lost the plot the more proggy-emo they got. speaking of proggy-emo i'm unapologetically a coheed & cambria fan in particularly second stage turbine and in keeping secrets

Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 19:11 (seven years ago) link

particular*

Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 19:11 (seven years ago) link

second stage was a huge record for me bc it was kind of a "eureka" moment with regard to the continuity of emo bc parts of it sound like sunny day real estate

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:13 (seven years ago) link

besides ILX I think Thursday's A City by the Light Divided was what clued me in to the fact that there was a whole world of stuff I'd previously dismissed, and tbh I don't think I'd have noticed it except for the fact that it crossed over to the indie press due to (I guess) Fridmann's involvement

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:19 (seven years ago) link

anyway I will save my most controversial emo recommendation for the noms thread

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:24 (seven years ago) link

i remember wanting that record to cross over more than it did. thursday were always kinda acceptable to like though, all those godspeed! you black emperor references

xpost

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:25 (seven years ago) link

save all this talk for the poll!

Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 19:45 (seven years ago) link

this is the most conversational this thread has ever been and i'm enjoying it so much!

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:47 (seven years ago) link

tru sorry

Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 20:00 (seven years ago) link

ahaha it's ok, i also sorta agree

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 20:03 (seven years ago) link

Did anybody listen to One For The Team back in the day? This is one of my fav pop-punk records of the last decade and I've been coming back to it a ton the last few months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmfq_PwyvPo

Evan R, Friday, 10 February 2017 20:29 (seven years ago) link

i have no idea what this record is! i'm so excited!

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 20:30 (seven years ago) link

oh wow yeah this is great. thank u evan

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 20:33 (seven years ago) link

Yeah it's an old, dear friend of mine. Very much a product of its time, kind of a DIY stab at Tegan & Sara x 2009 Warped Tour x Silversun Pickups-era alt-rock thing, but the songs cut so deep and some of these tracks are monsters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLPxQsExomo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixNeF_9tBQI

Evan R, Friday, 10 February 2017 20:37 (seven years ago) link

Tegan & Sara x 2009 Warped Tour x Silversun Pickups-era alt-rock thing

oh no! it's... my Aesthetic

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 20:38 (seven years ago) link

will check it out

Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 20:38 (seven years ago) link

been on a little silversun pickups kick for a bit now

Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 20:39 (seven years ago) link

same, mostly in anticipation of their tour with 3eb

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 20:41 (seven years ago) link

lol yeah, between Brand New Eyes and Sainthood and Romance is Boring and this record, this was an era that catered to me to almost ridiculous extremes.

(I was also seeing 3EB live a ton around that time, too, mostly by coincidence)

Evan R, Friday, 10 February 2017 20:42 (seven years ago) link

same, mostly in anticipation of their tour with 3eb

― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, February 10, 2017 1:41 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is good. i will partake.

Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 20:44 (seven years ago) link

they're playing the s/t all the way through, it's gonna rule, can't wait to graduate

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 20:45 (seven years ago) link

Stephan Jenkins still rocks a hoodie very well. I interviewed him years ago and he described 3eb as "slammingly misunderstood," and that wording always stuck with me for some reason

Evan R, Friday, 10 February 2017 20:47 (seven years ago) link


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