Also not everyone has the same approach to deciding what their "genuine" favourites are and it can change constantly. Stop being ridiculous.― nashwan,
― nashwan,
not sure if you're responding to me or whiney but I was only asking what everyone did.
― Cosmic Slop, Thursday, 15 December 2016 17:21 (seven years ago) link
Response to both. You're only asking and I'm only answering.
― nashwan, Thursday, 15 December 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link
lots of xposts to katherine and D-40:
Yeah sorry that was very muddled. katherine is right that “office politics” was the exact wrong phrase. I was trying to capture the idea that there’s a cynical branding/ market-positioning strategy behind every list. The fact that critics hang out, work with, and influence each other’s tastes and ways of gauging what is significant is precisely the social process I had in mind (one that is unsurprisingly similar to how many other humans experience music: socially), not trying to respond to the audience. Like it’s a qualitative process rather than the quantitative one at work in the "Panda" example.
― rob, Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:05 (seven years ago) link
I know you said 'many other' not 'all' and this is off topic but there's friends of mine who would seriously argue that music should be experienced socially. One of them is a huge 'glitch' nerd (alva noto and that sort of music-not-music kind of artists/programmers)... she never shares her music and even gets annoyed when you ask her what is she listening to (unfortunately for her, Shazam is now a thing, unfortunately for me she pauses the music when she sees me open the app).
No point in sharing that but there it is.
― Moka, Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:14 (seven years ago) link
yeah "many other" was intentional and obvs there are critics who would also disagree
― rob, Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:20 (seven years ago) link
wherever it is on the scale you may think eoy reviews should lie between top 40 data dump or lone gunmen following their muse, any singles list with 27 songs by 5 artists is negligent journalistically and flaccid polemically
― r|t|c, Thursday, 15 December 2016 19:14 (seven years ago) link
it's kind of dispiriting knowing that is the deliberate point and that there's absolutely no impetus to change it
― lex pretend, Thursday, 15 December 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link
they have all somehow managed to develop this kind of idk, trite bloviating cultural narrativization that actually has very little interest in zeitgeist. whatever it is it is not music criticism
― r|t|c, Thursday, 15 December 2016 19:27 (seven years ago) link
It's either that the voter base is listening to the same albums and virtually no non-album material, or that the singles vote is all long-tail there are just no other singles to serve as rallying points. Both options suggest there's been a failure of journalism somewhere along the line. It all suggests that the national office crew isn't going out and partying together that much at all.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 15 December 2016 19:28 (seven years ago) link
the "single" itself is a total different animal even from 5 years ago
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 15 December 2016 19:52 (seven years ago) link
Yeah but there are still bangers and scene anthems and so forth. If your tracks list is entirely based of your favourite tracks from your favourite albums it suggests a complete lack of engagement with individual scenes.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 15 December 2016 19:58 (seven years ago) link
it's like any EOY list, and it's even worse w/film probably where an even more limited set of films takes up a greater percentage of the conversation, and it's really a discussion of which 10 films out of 25 will make your list. maybe it's not worse than films, though, because there are so many more films to choose from. idk.
― nomar, Thursday, 15 December 2016 19:59 (seven years ago) link
is there even a "single" from the solange or chance albums? I have no idea!
but we've developed a nu-rockism around pop artists [prockimism?] that the "good" pop artists are album artists and the "bad" pop artists are singles artists
N O N E of these critics lists are going to ride for the actual hit pop singles of the year that didn't come from album artists — Lukas Graham, Sia, Gnash, Meghan Trainor, DJ Snake, Kent Jones, DNCE, etc
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 15 December 2016 20:00 (seven years ago) link
Like the whole "Meghan Trainor is bad, I listen to REAL pop music like Carly Rae Jepson" is such a dogshit conceit that just completely flies in the face of what makes a good pop single
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 15 December 2016 20:03 (seven years ago) link
Like there's a reason "No" charted higher than any Beyonce song, and it's not because INDUSTRY PLANT SHE IS THE BAD POP
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 15 December 2016 20:07 (seven years ago) link
I can think of one reason
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 December 2016 20:08 (seven years ago) link
I didn't really get the visceral hatred of "No" tbh
― ¶ (DJP), Thursday, 15 December 2016 20:09 (seven years ago) link
idk how "critics don't engage with scenes and the tracks that resonate in those scenes" turned into "critics don't ride for chart pop" but
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 December 2016 20:09 (seven years ago) link
(I mean, I do get hating Megan Trainor's quack-voice, but that didn't seem to be what anyone was objecting to)
― ¶ (DJP), Thursday, 15 December 2016 20:10 (seven years ago) link
Consensus is a sampling artifact.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 15 December 2016 20:32 (seven years ago) link
whiney's talking taste turkey as if it were even still applicable to the big lists, where there is evidently no longer any sensibility at play other than prestige tv recaps for the clickiest event albums
― r|t|c, Thursday, 15 December 2016 20:48 (seven years ago) link
perhaps a good time to note that a full quarter of last year's ilm 77 (freed from rolling wizard despotism by the great liberator no less) was just grimes miguel kendrick crj sundfor
― r|t|c, Thursday, 15 December 2016 20:53 (seven years ago) link
I think most people , even fans of those acts, complained about nominating/voting for album tracks into the 77.
― Cosmic Slop, Thursday, 15 December 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link
If only there was something we could do about that.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 December 2016 20:59 (seven years ago) link
well the problem is the amount of actual singles released as such....
You could just vote for the pop songs that arent on albums right enough.
Like Honey G from x-factor will likely have a single eligible for next years poll ;)
― Cosmic Slop, Thursday, 15 December 2016 21:02 (seven years ago) link
gerrymandering the vote to look cooler isnt the point
― r|t|c, Thursday, 15 December 2016 21:05 (seven years ago) link
totally. But I also know everyone will be complaining about loads of solange/radiohead/kanye/frank ocean et all in the 77.
in short: no ones ever happy :D
― Cosmic Slop, Thursday, 15 December 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link
And I think most people enjoy the countdown the way it is
― Cosmic Slop, Thursday, 15 December 2016 21:16 (seven years ago) link
and as a eoy pollrunner could I perhaps take this chance to remind everyone voting in metal poll ends tomorrow and we only have 18 ballots so far so all ballots from one album to fifty are equally welcome!
[url=http://ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=104977&action=showall&bookmarkedmessageid=6155782]METAL ALBUMS POLL 2016 VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD. [Voting ends Friday December 16 11.59pm GMT][/url
― Cosmic Slop, Thursday, 15 December 2016 21:19 (seven years ago) link
LargeUp's dancehall list is out:
1. Vybz Kartel, “Fever”2. Rihanna feat. Drake, “Work”3. Konshens, “Bruk Off”4. Popcaan, “We Still A Win (World Cup)”5. Alkaline, “City”6. Drake feat. Popcaan, “Controlla”7. Jahmiel, “Where Were U”8. Popcaan, “Ova Dweet”9. Vybz Kartel, “Western Union”10. Mavado, “Progress”11. Charly Blacks, “Gyal You A Party Animal”12. Dwayne “DJ” Bravo, “Champion”13. Chi Ching Ching, “Breadfruit (Roast or Fry)”/ Popcaan, “Wicked Man Ting”14. Spice, “Indicator”15. Chronixx, “Sell My Gun”16. Alkaline, “After All”
― rob, Thursday, 15 December 2016 21:23 (seven years ago) link
The 10 Best Experimental Albums of 2016 by The Observer
Bloodmist, Sheen / Pale Horse, Badlands (5049)Body/Head, No Waves (Matador)David Grubbs, Prismrose (Blue Chopsticks)Chuck Hammer, Blind on Blind (AVA Interact)Daniel Higgs, The Fools Sermon, part 1 (Ideologic Organ)Alan Licht, Currents (VDSQ)Merzbow/Keiji Haino/Balazs Pandi, An Untroublesome Defencelessness (RareNoise)Rob Noyes, The Feudal Spirit (Poon Village)Okkyung Lee & Christian Marclay, Amalgam (Northern Spy)Thor & Friends, Thor & Friends (LM Duplication)
― Dinsdale, Thursday, 15 December 2016 22:02 (seven years ago) link
Thor & Friends, Thor & Friends (LM Duplication)
please tell me this is the guy from Zombie Nightmare
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, 15 December 2016 22:04 (seven years ago) link
agree w/ rob that largeup's list is factually accurate
― r|t|c, Thursday, 15 December 2016 22:10 (seven years ago) link
Does everyone get the link to Trainor's 'No' on YouTube as the top result for searching 'no' on Google? Shit is messed up.
― nashwan, Thursday, 15 December 2016 22:12 (seven years ago) link
meghan trainor is a quack voiced dipshit peddling regressive politics. "no" would be great if anyone else - maybe fellow ricky reed protege lizzo! - was singing it but pop radio is SUPER RACIST ATM so here we are.
― maura, Thursday, 15 December 2016 22:39 (seven years ago) link
Nope, the guy from Swans/Shearwater/a bunch of other things. Haven't heard the album but they were very good live.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:05 (seven years ago) link
That Thor had an album last year, Metal Avenger, and played the Alehorn Of Power fest recently!
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:13 (seven years ago) link
11. Charly Blacks, “Gyal You A Party Animal”
is this counted as 2016? i've heard it SO MUCH this year but when i looked it up it was from mid-2015
― lex pretend, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:29 (seven years ago) link
it's really amazing obv
They acknowledge that in the write-up. It's a year of impact call though the riddim is from 2014
― rob, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:34 (seven years ago) link
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.)
oh well this is good anyway. i like marimba.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 16 December 2016 00:04 (seven years ago) link
my list:
http://tarfumes.typepad.com/tarfumes/2016/12/best-albums-of-2016.html
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 16 December 2016 00:09 (seven years ago) link
i thought alkaline's "one more time" was even better than "city"
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 16 December 2016 01:09 (seven years ago) link
good list tarfumes
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 16 December 2016 01:13 (seven years ago) link
Ah I just remembered what EOY feature I was thinking earlier that does the niche/general lists quite well imho. It was NPR, I think?. Have you guys linked to it already?
http://www.npr.org/series/482024024/best-music-of-2016
The general best of albums and songs is kind of what we've seen already elsewhere with a few surprises. But the individual lists are great.
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Friday, 16 December 2016 01:22 (seven years ago) link
Although I remember last year it was only one article divided by sections. Best classical, best electronic and so on I might be misremembering or it wasn't NPR the list I was looking for.
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Friday, 16 December 2016 01:28 (seven years ago) link
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 16 December 2016 01:09 Bookmark
largeup list is never really about aesthetic judgement and esp not this year
in any case choosing one alka fave is like how ppl agonise between thugger tracks, but for real
― r|t|c, Friday, 16 December 2016 02:22 (seven years ago) link
"one more time" was the alkaline standout for me too
― lex pretend, Friday, 16 December 2016 12:45 (seven years ago) link
https://popstylemusic.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/charly-black-one-sheet.jpg?w=700
found this handy bumpf to help explain the success of 'party animal'. as you can see ja gave it 0 fucks
FROM THE BEACH PARTY TO THE DANCE FLOOR IN ONE FELL SWOOP!
― r|t|c, Friday, 16 December 2016 13:25 (seven years ago) link
the real bird sound power
― r|t|c, Friday, 16 December 2016 13:26 (seven years ago) link