yeah venera 4 is a good call. and locals pale sun cause i like the album that much.
― wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 25 October 2016 15:22 (seven years ago) link
did a ctrl + f for Fleeting Joys and didn't find anything. Despondent Transponder is a pretty perfect extension of Loveless era MBV. as is the case with all of these sorts of lists, I'd like to see more of what was pushed but didn't make the cut.
― fffv, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 18:23 (seven years ago) link
Ned's words are awesome, I love them. Thanks Ned. If that makes me a web nerd I'm down with that.
― Brevs Mekis (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 25 October 2016 20:28 (seven years ago) link
Too kind!
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 20:32 (seven years ago) link
This list goes a long way toward relieving my fear that no one cares about Catherine Wheel anymore.
― geoffreyess, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 20:53 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Q7CcINC8M
― nomar, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 20:55 (seven years ago) link
CW didn't even peak with the albums in this list!
― imago, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 21:44 (seven years ago) link
You like Be Here Now
― brimstead, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 22:39 (seven years ago) link
is this how it's gonna be
― imago, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 22:45 (seven years ago) link
ahahahah
― harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 25 October 2016 22:45 (seven years ago) link
http://66.media.tumblr.com/6a4139b9b5af4ef27f242a77b560f585/tumblr_mw08upqgEV1rijwyno7_1280.jpg
― brimstead, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 22:52 (seven years ago) link
Good on that guy for including Alison's Halo and Sianspheric. I'd include Polar/Con Dolore albums which is definitely dreampop but maybe not quite gazey enough. I'd definitely put on the first Teenage Filmstars album, the next two albums have amazing tracks but tend to go downhill in the second half.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 23:10 (seven years ago) link
Pluramon's "Dreams Top Rock" is sort of a shoegaze/glitched out electronic hybrid (with Julee Cruise on vocals). Love that one.
― Ross, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 23:50 (seven years ago) link
That was sort of my only real problem with the list, that shoegaze crosses so many wires with dreampop and honestly, in the case of Catherine Wheel, straight on hard rock without the codpiece and goat horns starter kit.
― Brevs Mekis (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 25 October 2016 23:52 (seven years ago) link
If nothing else, the list led me to this fantastic Morr Slowdive tribute thing, so it was all worth it. Thanks, Bateau!
― Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 21:26 (seven years ago) link
Oh hell yes! :D That is awesome.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 21:57 (seven years ago) link
i am on deck to do ILM's Shoegaze album and EP's and think i will do this next summer if someone doesn't take from me now.
― Bee OK, Thursday, 27 October 2016 00:47 (seven years ago) link
spoiler alert: my number one is Nowhere with, i think, Whirlpool coming in second. some omissions besides Moose are Revolver's Cold Water Flat, Ladies and Gentleman... and have always felt Gish should qualify for shoegaze?
― Bee OK, Thursday, 27 October 2016 00:51 (seven years ago) link
The absence of Smashing Orange (unless I missed it) is insane, as they were actually of the time, played in England (though from America), had great UK reviews, and were great. The correct Swirlies album was chosen.
― dlp9001, Thursday, 27 October 2016 01:00 (seven years ago) link
I would have put Underground Lovers' Leaves Me Blind above at least half of the listed albums. I feel HEALTH should be there too.
― MatthewK, Thursday, 27 October 2016 02:26 (seven years ago) link
Wow, the French guy's list has not one but three shoegazing bands from Texas
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 27 October 2016 03:30 (seven years ago) link
The first Pitchfork list where I own 60% of the titles.
Notable omissions:
A.R.Kane - Lolita EP (1987) practically invented the genreMedicine - Shot Forth Self Living (1992) or Buried Life (1993) arriving at 'gaze from psychClosedown - Nearfield (1994) an early Slowdive inspired US bandThird Eye Foundation - Semtex (1996) if one wants to play up how 'gaze flows like viscous lava into other genres, in TEF's case claustrophobic drum n'bassPluramon - Dreams Top Rock (2003) Mentioned above. Loveless itself was composed on a sampler. Get over yourselves, technophobes.Fleeting Joys - Despondant Transponder (2006) and Ringo Deathstarr - Colour Trip (2011) not ageless art, but closer to their mark than In the Presence of MBVNo Joy - Wait to Pleasure (2013)Pinkshinyultrablast - Everything Elses Matters (2015) the last two genre bands I've really dug.
― publicity hungry, opportunistic, disgruntled former employee (Sanpaku), Thursday, 27 October 2016 06:34 (seven years ago) link
Shot Forth Self Living is number 29 on the Pitchfork list.Good call on Ringo Deathstarr.
― ArchCarrier, Thursday, 27 October 2016 09:15 (seven years ago) link
What AltJ albums made the list?
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 27 October 2016 11:44 (seven years ago) link
Ah, French guy does have Nightblooms. That's another pretty major omission. I didn't notice if he had Texas Shoegazers Experimental Aircraft on his list, but their "Love For The Last Time" is also probably better than a few things on the Pitchfork list.
― dlp9001, Thursday, 27 October 2016 13:52 (seven years ago) link
Secret Shine's Untouched is a pretty big omission as well.
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 27 October 2016 15:46 (seven years ago) link
Speaking of Texans, both Pitchfork and the French dude left off Should's (née Shift) A Folding Sieve, which is amazing.
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:33 (seven years ago) link
*coughs* Folks, I love you all. HOWEVER:
This wasn't an infinite list. This was a specific list of 50. That means there was a thing called a 'cutoff,' meaning that Many Different Albums could be and were nominated, but after the votes were tallied, did not in fact make it into the top fifty.
They weren't "left off," they weren't "notable omissions," they *did not win enough votes.*
Clear? Not hard to understand? Very good. I thank you all.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:04 (seven years ago) link
we're just trying to flash our shoegaze cred, it's not about the list
― brimstead, Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:05 (seven years ago) link
lol at "the french dude"
You'd be surprised given some of the other reactions I've seen!
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:05 (seven years ago) link
keeping waiting for some kind of Catherine Wheel reissues, really want Ferment and Chrome on vinyl
― nomar, Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:06 (seven years ago) link
Really disappointing to not see Wait To Pleasure in there. One of my favourite albums of this decade so far.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:07 (seven years ago) link
xp they have so many bsides, i hope they do eventually do deluxe versions
― brimstead, Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:10 (seven years ago) link
Ned, an internet list does not exist until everything left off of it has been listed.
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:12 (seven years ago) link
lol
― ¶ (DJP), Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:33 (seven years ago) link
You might be listing a while there.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:37 (seven years ago) link
what's time to an ILXor?
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:41 (seven years ago) link
Ok, not to take this overly seriously, but Smashing Orange were probably the first US group to tour as shoegaze, get reviewed in the UK papers that invented shoegaze, etc. It's a little silly, historically, to leave them out, given that they're touring the UK in 1990 supporting Lush and put out a bunch of amazing stuff by 1991. Nightblooms basically ditto but from Holland, substitute 1991 for 1990. I love Flying Sauce Attack to death, and Further is an amazing, incredible album and one of my favorite things on this earth, but it doesn't really belong on this list.
― dlp9001, Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:43 (seven years ago) link
Nightblooms are shoegaze?
― Evan, Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:44 (seven years ago) link
I mean, it's not like we're trying to get get Flyying Colours on the list (even if they are great). But you should probably have some respect for history...
― dlp9001, Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:44 (seven years ago) link
xpost: Evan, you've heard their first album and earlier singles, right?
― dlp9001, Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:45 (seven years ago) link
Oh maybe not. I'm a big fan of 24 Days At Catastrofe Café though.
― Evan, Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:53 (seven years ago) link
I love that album too. Like top 10, actually. The one before is shoegaze to the max (I saw them touring it) and also very good, in a different way. Check "1000 Years" as a nice compromise between their pop and noise instincts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=dC0v-yOuEUA
― dlp9001, Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:56 (seven years ago) link
Thanks! By the way the strongest attribute of Catastrofe Café for me is the guitar heroics. Kind of like how they're almost at odds with the shy indie pop side.
― Evan, Thursday, 27 October 2016 18:04 (seven years ago) link
That was a very unexpected strength of that band. Like MBV had Brian May on guitar, but nobody knew...
― dlp9001, Thursday, 27 October 2016 18:22 (seven years ago) link
― imago, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 21:44 (two days ago) Permalink
Agreed! May "Adam and Eve" beat "OK Computer" on some future top 50.
― geoffreyess, Thursday, 27 October 2016 19:56 (seven years ago) link