pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

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and Anna Meredith

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:30 (eight years ago) link

well, they should give more of a shit, cf that clipping review mentioned upthread where they 5.3 hip-hop history

imago, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:31 (eight years ago) link

how much of a shit any publication gives about areas of music is usually borne out by their eoy lists rather than their intermittent concessions

imago, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:34 (eight years ago) link

anyway whatever i fight this erry day and yall bored

imago, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:34 (eight years ago) link

isn't covering clipping at all the definition of "giving a shit"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:35 (eight years ago) link

yeah fine

still think they only really cover shit if it's fashionable and they infinitesimally rarely let an underdog at the throne. kanye has a 100000x bigger chance of a 9.something than any bandcamp mc regardless of the respective quality of their outputs (not saying kanye is bad, even)

imago, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:44 (eight years ago) link

they only really cover shit if it's fashionable

this is a tautology or something i think /dumb_person

brimstead, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:46 (eight years ago) link

or maybe a misunderstanding of how entertainment media works

brimstead, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:47 (eight years ago) link

i remember the days when pitchfork would fearlessly drop 9+ on a clearlake album

nomar, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:47 (eight years ago) link

they literally did that

imago, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:47 (eight years ago) link

oh i see

imago, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:47 (eight years ago) link

just forget i posted

brimstead, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:48 (eight years ago) link

me too

imago, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:51 (eight years ago) link

Louis is about five posts away from calling them "cuckfork"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:58 (eight years ago) link

did you literally compare me to a MRA redditor

imago, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:59 (eight years ago) link

goddamn i'm easy to rile

imago, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 22:00 (eight years ago) link

lol what
Yeah, I tried typing a response to that last night but my eyes kept rolling back in my skull.

i was surprised when i saw him live! dunno what to tell you!

thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Thursday, 22 September 2016 00:05 (eight years ago) link

does anyone read the wire anymore btw

― jason waterfalls (gbx), Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:18 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they do if they're in it that month

― Dominique, Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:20 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

heyooooooo

― jason waterfalls (gbx), Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:21 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ouch

Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 22 September 2016 02:02 (eight years ago) link

I read it every month, but I write for it, so.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 22 September 2016 02:05 (eight years ago) link

At this point, I skim it in the bookstores, but feel guilty about that. Used to buy it almost monthly, but can't justify doing so given that I have subscriptions to several magazines that I never get around to finishing.

Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 22 September 2016 02:10 (eight years ago) link

if the stuff that eg Phillip Sherburne and Andy Beta are reviewing is trendy then I must be particularly out of the loop these days

anyway it comes back to the actual writing - they might not award a BNM or even a top-of-page review to experimental stuff but if I read it and I think "hey this sounds like its for me and that 7.7 or whatever suggests it isn't awful then maybe I'll give it some time of my own and see if I form a better opinion of it"

boxedjoy, Thursday, 22 September 2016 07:27 (eight years ago) link

I stopped my Wire subscription last year (for mainly financial reasons) and I feel a weird kind of guilt about it but not sure how much I actually miss it.

Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Thursday, 22 September 2016 08:23 (eight years ago) link

lol what
Yeah, I tried typing a response to that last night but my eyes kept rolling back in my skull.

i was surprised when i saw him live! dunno what to tell you!
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Wednesday, September 21, 2016 7:05 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I saw him live too and unless you're in some kind of Wynton Marsalis bop utopia where fusion and the whole 70s and 80s never happened....I dunt know how you can call it not jazz that's just lj level ludicrous

Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 22 September 2016 12:18 (eight years ago) link

does anyone read the wire anymore btw

― jason waterfalls (gbx), Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:18 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they do if they're in it that month

― Dominique, Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:20 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

heyooooooo

― jason waterfalls (gbx), Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:21 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ouch

proud + ashamed to say this applies to me!

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Thursday, 22 September 2016 12:55 (eight years ago) link

What's your point? I hide pictures of myself with my phone number in all sorts of magazines.

Evan, Thursday, 22 September 2016 13:58 (eight years ago) link

I dunt know how you can call it not jazz that's just lj level ludicrous

again, I'm not accusing Kamasi of NOT MAKING JAZZ oh horrors; I'm saying his live show (and the crowd that attended) looked and sounded "more jam band with funk elements than jazz". I don't pretend to be the most seasoned of jazz (or jam) listeners but I've seen my fair share of both, I like fusion and post bop as much as the next guy, I am not a purist when it comes to labels. I just call a duck a duck when it quacks; the "ymmv" note there was plenty intentional to suggest not everyone's gonna agree.

thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Thursday, 22 September 2016 16:38 (eight years ago) link

Funky duck

niels, Thursday, 22 September 2016 17:13 (eight years ago) link

It's spiritual hat jazz

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 22 September 2016 17:29 (eight years ago) link

always good to judge a band by its audience

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 September 2016 17:31 (eight years ago) link

(deej otm tho)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 September 2016 17:31 (eight years ago) link

I guess fusion jazz or whatever got pretty far from what noobs (like me) think of as /jazz/, especially live the drums were so beefy and playing like, banging hip hop beats; The other concert that Kamasi live most reminded me of was The Roots

flopson, Thursday, 22 September 2016 17:58 (eight years ago) link

everyone plays beats in jazz these days, we've had so many generations raised on beats that it feels like the natural and honest approach for young jazz musicians, whereas making the choice to swing feels very particular and antiquated.

i agree that this can feel jam band-y at times. a lot of bands are good at avoiding jam band pitfalls, but it's tricky.

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Thursday, 22 September 2016 18:13 (eight years ago) link

banging hip hop beats

but... so many banging hip hop beats are/were sampled from jazz records

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 September 2016 18:14 (eight years ago) link

those rhythms have been key elements of jazz since the late 60s, when swing rhythms stopped being so omnipresent

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 September 2016 18:15 (eight years ago) link

kinda feel like we should have a dedicated spiritual hat jazz thread tbh

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 September 2016 18:16 (eight years ago) link

right but i think it's changed even in the last 10-15 years. like when i was trying to play jazz in college it felt like we were getting away with something by playing beats, or it was ok to do that once or twice a set to change up the feel, like the obligatory latin jazz tune. and now you're just as likely to see shows where the ratio has flipped, or that's how it seems to me anyway.

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Thursday, 22 September 2016 18:24 (eight years ago) link

A lot of funk samples too :P

As open a genre as jazz is, I think it might have room for some works being categorized both funk/soul AND jazz

niels, Thursday, 22 September 2016 18:26 (eight years ago) link

interesting observation, I've thought more than once in that same period that the standard jazz swing beat is just a thing that's almost completely vanished from modern musical vocabulary. It was everywhere for decades, and now it's just kinda gone.

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 September 2016 18:28 (eight years ago) link

the soloing on the kamasi record... it's completely jazz style soloing, melodically, rhythmically...

brimstead, Thursday, 22 September 2016 19:16 (eight years ago) link

i agree! live it was notably different.

thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Thursday, 22 September 2016 19:18 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/F4zokUf.jpg

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 22 September 2016 19:40 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwFNMkrJqFs

thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Thursday, 22 September 2016 19:50 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJFoWYA0rBA

scott seward, Thursday, 22 September 2016 20:12 (eight years ago) link

wikki wikki.........

scott seward, Thursday, 22 September 2016 20:12 (eight years ago) link

Kamasi is in the latest Marc Maron podcast, which is a, ah, thing (Ben Ratliff also puts in an appearance).

Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Thursday, 22 September 2016 20:41 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, I listened to it today. I'm not the biggest Maron fan, but it was an interesting conversation. (A lot more interesting than the Ratliff segment.)

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 22 September 2016 20:45 (eight years ago) link

I've got it lined up for a bedtime listen. Intrigued.

Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Thursday, 22 September 2016 20:46 (eight years ago) link

lmao @ that Jizz Addicts shirt

alpine static, Thursday, 22 September 2016 23:24 (eight years ago) link


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