you haven't heard of that dude before??!?!
― marcos, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link
but yea
i literally could not listen to him speak for more than 10 seconds
this was the line that stood out to me:
Still, rock dorks were tangling with this issue long before any of us, and in the context of reckoning with Led Zeppelin—especially as an oft-bootlegged yet still elusive live-band document—the official two-disc release of BBC Sessions in 1997 felt like a moment of clarity.
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 September 2016 17:37 (seven years ago) link
i think p4k is just as good as ever, i.e. really good
the direction of the site is trying to two things at once:
1. aging along with the generation that grew up reading the site (will read Jack White news) and keeping a grip on older-gen beardos (who read Yo La Tengo news)
2. maintaining dominance over current music, catering to and anticipating the tastes of younger millenials (the oft-noted shift in focus to electronic music, r&b, etc)
I kind of hope they fail at #2 just because i'd love to see what comes next. But they're pretty smart and good at what they do so I'm not counting on it. and it certainly won't be Noisey or some bullshit that ousts them
― flopson, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 17:39 (seven years ago) link
lol apologies for this mangled twice half-rewritten fragment
― flopson, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 17:40 (seven years ago) link
Is Fantano the review guy from youtube who pulls faces? Avoiding hearing him speak is one of my crowning achievements from the last couple of years
― badg, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 17:42 (seven years ago) link
went on pitchfork right now after a really long time
now that they're owned by a conde nast, i was looking for some automation done to the site that sticks all the highly clicked/popular/trendy pages to the front
looks pretty spot on to me -- first thing i see is ac/dc, big music festival with skrillex and a bunch of rappers, and probably a manually placed political/feminist/race article (riot grrrl in this instance)
scroll down and you see led zep; no more moving carousel of album reviews (before you could see a few days worth), now just a few albums
the news feed seems to be time based, but looks weirdly coherently tailored; most of it is hip hop, pop, race articles. to the right, an article on prince, and more hip hop
i wonder how many people make it to the lower half of the front page. no matter, because it's more of the same. a couple interesting titles, but not much
i'm sure they still have some nice articles, but it looks like they're pushed to the back
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 20 September 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link
not on the front page but if you actually open a review and scroll down it keeps scrolling down to previous days' reviews
i'm not sure why you think the predominance of what you call "race articles" (nice btw) is tailored or manually placed beyond it being part of the overall editorial vision of the site
― Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 20 September 2016 18:51 (seven years ago) link
sorry I guess you mean articles specifically about race? the phrase sounded weird on its own
though I'm still not sure what articles you're talking about. right now there's one article on the front page that mentions a racial divide but nothing else
― Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 20 September 2016 18:52 (seven years ago) link
I guess what bugs me about your post is that you seem to be pitting "political/feminist/race article" and "hip hop, pop, race articles" against what you call "nice articles," suggesting that you think their coverage of political issues is obscuring something more important or interesting.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 20 September 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link
articles specifically about race
this is the thing, it looks disingenuous
race and gender politics is clearly very important in the world. but i never went to pitchfork to get my daily dose of politics
i mean, every time a musician talks about politics it's gonna be crap
it looks like p4k are piggybacking on a larger trend to stay relevant but are still without substance
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 20 September 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link
also, so much stranger things content. so much. (perhaps it has been mentioned before, but I ain't opening those 8k messages)
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 18:57 (seven years ago) link
Musicians are talking quite a lot about politics in uncrap ways these days. Only a spectacularly reactionary music site would not write news articles about this.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link
This is probably mentioned upthread, but since Conde Nast took over there are also video ads in the middle of content, and things like "Like us on Facebook" pop-ups you have to exit before reading the site. In addition to content like "Watch the 'Stranger Things' kids perform 'Uptown Funk'!" that probably wouldn't have appeared 1-2 years ago.
― intheblanks, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 01:41 (seven years ago) link
lol dont u have an adblocker
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 01:46 (seven years ago) link
it also feels like there's more reviews and articles on experimental music. The site is obviously moving away from indie rock, and it feels like they're filling some of that gap with increasing coverage of "avant-garde" stuff, particularly electronic stuff. But they're also reviewing more than one jazz album a week, when for a decade they followed a strict one-per-month policy.
― intheblanks, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 01:52 (seven years ago) link
i don't give a shit about internet ads, it wasn't a complaint
it also feels like there's more reviews and articles on experimental music.
they literally got rid of the out door
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 01:58 (seven years ago) link
good point. I just scanned through the site and i think my feeling about the experimental thing is actually wrong. The jazz thing is real, but it's very possibly just them riding a trend and will die down in like a year or two
― intheblanks, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 02:02 (seven years ago) link
You can thank Kamasi Washington for the Jazz trend, tho idk how long it'll last
― carly reagan jepsen (2011nostalgia), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 02:13 (seven years ago) link
Kamasi ime is more jam band with funk elements than jazz but ymmv
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 02:20 (seven years ago) link
The fact that Jazz is a genre filter on the site, and that Seth Colter-Walls is a contributor, is encouraging.
― Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 05:04 (seven years ago) link
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:20 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol what
― marcos, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 13:55 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, I tried typing a response to that last night but my eyes kept rolling back in my skull.
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 13:56 (seven years ago) link
Kamasi Washington's next album is a covers album of String Cheese Incident songs with Graham Central Station as his backing band
― Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:00 (seven years ago) link
Bitches Bonabroo
― tylerw, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:13 (seven years ago) link
it also feels like there's more reviews and articles on experimental music. The site is obviously moving away from indie rock, and it feels like they're filling some of that gap with increasing coverage of "avant-garde" stuff, particularly electronic stuff.
― intheblanks, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 01:52 (nineteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
almost excelsiored this tbrr
― imago, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:18 (seven years ago) link
does anyone read the wire anymore btw
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:18 (seven years ago) link
they do if they're in it that month
― Dominique, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:20 (seven years ago) link
heyooooooo
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:21 (seven years ago) link
braggin' 2016
― imago, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:22 (seven years ago) link
seriously though pitchfork do not give one shit about avant-garde music
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/22158-four-meditations-sound-geometries/
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:24 (seven years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/21535-3-compositions-eemhm-2011trillium-j-the-non-unconfessionables-no-380quintet-tristano-2014/
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:25 (seven years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/22345-arvo-part-the-deers-cry/
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:26 (seven years ago) link
...comparatively speaking, and they definitely don't give a shit about new experimental artists
― imago, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:26 (seven years ago) link
Those are all decades-confirmed masters
― imago, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:27 (seven years ago) link
But, they just BNMed Sunergy (for example)
― Evan, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:28 (seven years ago) link
and Anna Meredith
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:30 (seven years ago) link
well, they should give more of a shit, cf that clipping review mentioned upthread where they 5.3 hip-hop history
― imago, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:31 (seven years ago) link
how much of a shit any publication gives about areas of music is usually borne out by their eoy lists rather than their intermittent concessions
― imago, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:34 (seven years ago) link
anyway whatever i fight this erry day and yall bored
isn't covering clipping at all the definition of "giving a shit"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:35 (seven years ago) link
yeah fine
still think they only really cover shit if it's fashionable and they infinitesimally rarely let an underdog at the throne. kanye has a 100000x bigger chance of a 9.something than any bandcamp mc regardless of the respective quality of their outputs (not saying kanye is bad, even)
― imago, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:44 (seven years ago) link
they only really cover shit if it's fashionable
this is a tautology or something i think /dumb_person
― brimstead, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:46 (seven years ago) link
or maybe a misunderstanding of how entertainment media works
― brimstead, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:47 (seven years ago) link
i remember the days when pitchfork would fearlessly drop 9+ on a clearlake album
― nomar, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:47 (seven years ago) link
they literally did that
― imago, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:47 (seven years ago) link
oh i see