what was the last jazz record that made much a dent outside that particular eco-system…Vijay Iyer's?
Iyer got a pair of Pitchfork reviews, but that's because he's got a really, really good publicist. I don't think it translated into sales or a much higher public profile. (In jazzworld there's a snarky joke that Iyer's publicist should have gotten a percentage of his MacArthur money.)
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 5 October 2015 13:55 (eight years ago) link
Fire Orchestra! also had good crossover success afaik
― niels, Monday, 5 October 2015 14:00 (eight years ago) link
Matthew Shipp
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 5 October 2015 14:16 (eight years ago) link
is he a great live performer? yes, I also should note he's a tremendously democratic bandleader, his keyboardist/jack of all trades guy was really on equal footing, his father actually kind of stole the show when he came out fromp behind the t-shirt booth and sat in on soprano sax for the last hour and a half of the show...both drummers, the one who looked like the weeknd and the older dude who looked like he should run a pizza by the slice place in Queens, were great...the vocalist who frankly i don't love on the album was realy a nice presence and the bassist while not a great soloist (he might be TOO democratic a bandleader) was a hell of a funky dude and really in tune w/both drummers
this was pretty much exactly my experience (I'm not much of a jazz guy, fwiw) except the dad was out front from the beginning, and this is hilariously otm:
the older dude who looked like he should run a pizza by the slice place in Queens
― alpine static, Monday, 5 October 2015 14:19 (eight years ago) link
(( as long as we have a knowledgeable jazz thread going, if anyone can point me to more stuff - new or old - like the Greg Foat Group's Girl and Robot with Flowers, please do: https://thegregfoatgroup.bandcamp.com/album/girl-and-robot-with-flowers ))
― alpine static, Monday, 5 October 2015 14:21 (eight years ago) link
This is what has got me so excited for the London show: https://youtu.be/0YbPSIXQ4q4
― mike t-diva, Monday, 5 October 2015 14:42 (eight years ago) link
Here's a performance taped on the same tour I caught:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrcoUKohf6k
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 5 October 2015 14:52 (eight years ago) link
no idea the stature of christian scott, but he's another jazz dude who's covered thom yorke lol, but he draws a bunch of disciplines together in a really captivating way. I've seen him live several times too, and the explosive interplay between him and his band occasionally gives me second quintet vibes, my favorite vibes. i just reviewed his new album, which should be up this week
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 5 October 2015 14:56 (eight years ago) link
Please post a link - I like his stuff, and didn't even realize he had a new album coming since he's not on Concord anymore. I think I might grab it from Bandcamp this week.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 5 October 2015 15:00 (eight years ago) link
it's really good!
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 5 October 2015 15:06 (eight years ago) link
Ken Vandermark has a lot of ties to Chicago rock stuff
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 October 2015 15:24 (eight years ago) link
shit watching that video forgot the trombone player was great too
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 October 2015 15:30 (eight years ago) link
wait deej you didn't even listen to the album? lmao
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 October 2015 15:40 (eight years ago) link
very busy guy, those 100 hottest sluts on instagram slideshows don't write themselves you know
― balls, Monday, 5 October 2015 15:43 (eight years ago) link
torturing crazy Bernie Worrell sounds out of this:
oh man one of my bandmates had one of those!! and the craziest thing about it (and the reason we could never get it to work) was that the audio output and the power supply are incorporated into a single cable, it's bizarre.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 October 2015 16:17 (eight years ago) link
that's crazy, were there feedback/ground problems?
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 October 2015 16:46 (eight years ago) link
There's a custom Moog cable that you need to run from the keytar to that little box in the top of the picture - the little box has a power cable that you plug into the wall, and an audio out jack to send the signal to an amplifier. It's like a custom pre-amp. But we could never find the cable required, it was some random 13-pin thing made only for that Moog model.
I was v sad we couldn't even get a sound out of it.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 October 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link
― balls, Monday, 5 October 2015 15:43 (2 hours ago) Permalink
you have no idea what i do
― TheFatSJW (D-40), Monday, 5 October 2015 18:46 (eight years ago) link
but the crowd was far more just a typical mpls indie rock show crowd than a jazz crowd
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, October 5, 2015 8:25 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
nobody wore a hat of any kind fwiw
that's exactly the crowd that has driven the pharaoh sanders >>> duke smellington historical revisionism i'm talking about though lol
i mean, i get it, once ken burns & wynton & crouch deify "trad" jazz (the idea that it's any more 'trad' than '70s fusion is a trick of perspective obv, there was a time when bebop was radical and a time when spiritual hat was radical and neither are true today) then someone needs to come along & find the 'jazz that seems cool still'. and so you end up w/ these alternative canons. that's good! my argument in the other jazz thread was merely that we should acknowledge that was happening, that when it comes to how people actually experienced the time things were a little different
i said that in my very first post in the thread, from the beginning ive been criticizing its the way its covered not the music itself.
again this is a failing of the writing/marketing of this stuff...the only piece i read about kamasi that gave some of the real-world-context was Ben Ratliff's which at least goes into a little more depth on the scene he's emerged from in Los Angeles.
― TheFatSJW (D-40), Monday, 5 October 2015 18:55 (eight years ago) link
pharaoh sanders >>> duke smellington
is there anyone that actually sez this, pics or it didn't happen
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:08 (eight years ago) link
the ilx jazz poll says that
― TheFatSJW (D-40), Monday, 5 October 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link
there's a difference between saying what you like vs. saying what is historically important. I am more often in the mood for spiritual hats than Duke, but no way would I say that the former is more important or central to the jazz canon than the latter.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:11 (eight years ago) link
Wellll...As someone who just recently packed his iPod full of Weather Report (pre-Jaco only), Jean-Luc Ponty, Stanley Clarke, Billy Cobham, George Duke and Al DiMeola albums, '70s-style fusion really hasn't become a "tradition" in the way you can still hear dudes making brand-new albums that sound like hard bop circa 1959. Part of this is because players who gravitated toward fusion tend to update with newer synths rather than continuing to use old equipment, they adopt contemporary production techniques (with the usual jazz musician's time-lag of being 5 years or so behind R&B producers, of course), etc., etc. And even "free" jazz, while you can still draw lines from Ayler et al. to what's happening now, has changed quite a bit. The biggest change came in the '90s, when players started exploiting CD storage capacity to release 60- and 70-minute pieces that never would have made it to vinyl in the old days. But the music has also gotten even more assaultive and unremitting - I mean, Ayler had melodies; Charles Gayle doesn't. I think contemporary free jazz is still "radical" in the sense that it'll send most people out of the room faster than any other form of jazz.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 5 October 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link
Hey deej you asked me how he was reaching out to non-jazz audiences, shit tons of indie rockers have zero idea who the fuck pharoah sanders is, this was that crowd
you also ignored all my posts about the actual show and how it was a lot more funk & rnb at times than pharoah sanders
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 October 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link
Shakey he means JAZZ IS LIKE HEROIN TO ME ! ! ! ~~~~ ILM POST-1945 JAZZ ALBUMS POLL - THE RESULTS COUNTDOWN (now counting top 25!) but i do not recall anyone saying it
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:16 (eight years ago) link
I know what he means! I voted in that poll
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:17 (eight years ago) link
even as a pharoah sanders fan it wont surprise anybody to learn that it was the funky stuff that drew me in.
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:18 (eight years ago) link
xp
i couldnt remember if you did or not. Phil did you vote? (i know deej didn't)
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:19 (eight years ago) link
Nah, I don't vote in those gigantic-ass polls. I get 1/16 of the way through the book of nominations and my eyes glaze over.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 5 October 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link
I love when people who vote in polls complain that the results aren't canonical enough, never gets old
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:25 (eight years ago) link
people who DON'T arggh
A lot of these jazz cannon type lists always seem to feature Ellington at Newport and omit at least 6 or 7 of his masterworks, at least this is an impression I get.
― xelab, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:26 (eight years ago) link
haha both groups complain! its what ilx polls are about! Theyre never dull thats for sure
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:27 (eight years ago) link
man, do you guys talk to each other like this based purely on opinions expressed on this fucking board? or did somebody fuck another guy's wife? sheesh…
on the last song, and the only thing I hear that seems outside of the 'Trane playbook is the persistent use of heavenly chorales, a la the end of the first side of what's going on.
― veronica moser, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:44 (eight years ago) link
i think the axelrod influence is just as big as coltrane
honestly guys, no matter what you think of washington he's a human being and doesn't deserve to be dragged into bickering about an ILM jazz poll, have a little decency
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 October 2015 19:49 (eight years ago) link
http://payload187.cargocollective.com/1/12/402674/6056932/WE_GOT_THE_JAZZ.jpg
― tylerw, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:52 (eight years ago) link
do you guys talk to each other like this based purely on opinions expressed on this fucking board?
lol this is nothing you should see Whiney and deej go at it
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link
Poll of SPIRITUAL HATS
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link
i listened to this whole thing over the weekend! some great moments in there, and yeah some uneven-ness. i actually liked the vocal tracks! added a nice element i thought. i'm not entirely sure what everyone is arguing about here ...
― tylerw, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
does anyone?
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
its like the metal thread arguing that deafheaven are spiritual hat metal and not proper metal
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:56 (eight years ago) link
hahaha
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 October 2015 20:03 (eight years ago) link
huh, well i don't know who deej is, I do know who the other gentleman is. I would say that it's peculiar that grown-ass men act like this, but I guess it isn't.
― veronica moser, Monday, 5 October 2015 20:26 (eight years ago) link
D-40
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 October 2015 20:28 (eight years ago) link
He has a point, I don't know why people have to get all personally offended. It's not unhealthy to interrogate one's own preferences and how they relate to a bigger picture. The people who respond with "it's all just music, man" don't get it.
― brimstead, Monday, 5 October 2015 22:17 (eight years ago) link
is it too much to ask to actually listen to the fuckin album is my point. no shit there's cultural and critical elements to how music is received i'm not 12 yrs old
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 October 2015 22:19 (eight years ago) link
D-40 has a point, I mean
― brimstead, Monday, 5 October 2015 22:19 (eight years ago) link
it's a facile point
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 October 2015 22:20 (eight years ago) link
Holy cow he already told you he's talking about the "reception" of the music, not the music itself. Maybe that's not valuable to you, I don't know I think it's interesting
― brimstead, Monday, 5 October 2015 22:20 (eight years ago) link
How is it facile? Because it irritates you?
― brimstead, Monday, 5 October 2015 22:21 (eight years ago) link