Best Underground American Noise Act of the Noise-Punk Era (ca. 1998-2005)

16 Bitch Pile Up -- seen them do awesome sets, seen them do ok sets
Air Conditioning -- no idea
Burning Star Core -- might just have seen him play solo? kinda a drone bro iirc.
Can't -- i think the first time i saw her, it was a wtf of the best kind, in that i actually can remember it
Dead Machines -- don't remember
Double Leopards -- i think they were overrated? not sure if i ever saw them tbh
Excepter -- only heard tracks from albums
Fat Day -- no idea
Fat Worm of Error -- saw them 3/4 times? awesome most of the time
Forcefield -- no idea
Friends Forever -- hahaha memorable show, band had lots of incarnations iirc
Gang Wizard -- really good? iirc, might not rc
Hair Police -- i do not rc
Hive Mind -- nice guy, ok
John Weise -- prefer Sissy Spacek, had at least one friend who had a major crush on the dude
Kites -- don't remember
Landed -- no clue
Magik Markers -- dude stole my towel, not sure how many people at the show actually liked them, or just showed up because they were supposed to like them or to hang with friends
Mammal -- no idea
Metalux -- only saw MV Carbon solo; really good iirc
Mindflayer -- don't remember
Monotract/Carlos Giffoni -- opening act was way better
Mouthus -- really good, but might not rc
Nautical Almanac -- fine
Neon Hunk -- don't remember
Noise Nomads -- no referrer, can't tell
Prurient -- don't remember
Rusted Shut -- no idea if i ever saw/booked them; too lazy to research
Sick Llama -- no idea
Sightings -- i actually never saw them
Wolf Eyes -- did not see any shows w/them w/dilloway; i saw them play in brooklyn w/Richard Pinhas of Heldon and have probably posted the hilarious story related to that on several threads already
Yellow Swans -- saw/booked these guys so many times; saw each of them solo in the past couple years. really nice guys. a bit too dronebro for me, but solid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVOZeT2W6Bo

^ another west coast legend

xp i have not smoked weed since 1997

worth mentioning-
needlegun
dj dog dick
narwhalz (of sound)
teeth mountain
grasslung
wzt hearts

that stuff all comes later

Wham City era

i think this "era" extends to 2007, based on releases, tours, audiences

Sarahell, just curious what qualifies something as "dronebro" stuff for you? Not in a defensive way or what have you, but honestly just wondering what fits the tag vs. other stuff.

I mean, if it is simply dudes who used drones in a standard way, I get it hah hah.

moanwave

sustained broness

i think this era extends to at least 2009/2010, ending with the last whartscape

Baltimore Wham Cityness A) owes so, so, so much to Fort Thunder and PaperRad and B) Completely went in sync with "internet music journalism"

There were/are great moments for sure, but it's its own era, come on

I'm with Whiney on this one. Obviously any number of these artists kept at it, and similar artists came up, but the depth and vitality of this particular iteration of noise-punk scene dwindled somewhere around a decade ago.

Also by vitality I mean the sheer number of acts releasing music and touring. It really was shocking the number of two-pieces putting together interesting noise records on, like Load, Narnack, 5RC, or just through sending CD-Rs to college ratio stations.

Baltimore Wham Cityness A) owes so, so, so much to Fort Thunder and PaperRad and B) Completely went in sync with "internet music journalism"

There were/are great moments for sure, but it's its own era, come on

― posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, September 24, 2015 6:15 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

true, there was overlap but wham city wouldn't exist without fort thunder by their own admission

wham city was barely doing anything in the timeframe provided by the thread

i know, i meant band overlap, lots of them played whartscape & were still active when it ended, s'all i meant

Yellow Swans were west coast, that's why y'all be hating.

Black Dice most underrated band of the last ~~~x years?

moanwave

― posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, September 24, 2015 2:45 PM (Yesterday)

moanwave (whiney knows this, but for the benefit of everyone else, and uh, posterity?): generally a solo project involving vocals, pedals, often a sampler, sometimes a drum machine and/or ipad is also used. the key element of moanwave is the vocals, which are run through effects, especially reverb (lots and lots of reverb), sometimes looped and layered, and rarely involving words. Mostly "oh" and "ooh" and "ah".

dronebro sometimes solo, sometimes in a group, 99% male. not every dude who makes drone music is a dronebro. The dronebro likes his shit loud and is often a big fan of doom metal. Sometimes the dronebro will refer to his music as doom metal or a similar genre, but there is rarely ever a drummer in dronebrodom, unless all the drummer is doing is cymbal swells, lots and lots of cymbal swells. Most dronebros play guitar or bass, occasionally violin or another classical string instrument. Some of them play analog synths, and the dronebrodown involves the esoteric expensive nature of the gear, rather than overdrive and distortion pedals run through huge amps or a powerful PA.

Hah hah, thanks Sarahell. Makes perfect sense.

I do not hate Yellow Swans. I was just underwhelmed by them considering the considerable love they get (i.e., I do not know many people who hold my opinion that are into this stuff). I was also really underwhelmed by Mouthus, who were east coast jammers. Two times I saw them it was a big ball of mush with no dynamics, but I mean this was just the two shows I saw. Could have been bad nights, which most of these bands had.

From a home listening pov, would take Halve Maen by Double Leopards over any other disc by ppl on this list

rocking some Kites right now

I think DRONEBRO is a SF phenomenon abedded by aughts Aquarius Records and their penchant for writing variations of "DOOOOOOOM" in their descriptions

That Kites/Prurient split disc on Load is great, prob all the Pru you need

ouch, reading moanwave, and thinking about many people I know and/or have dated in the Bay

PLEASURE GROUND is the only prurient you ever need

uh, Caroliner?

and this was actually the first band that came to mind for me

Kites was really cool live. I still play "Peace Trials".

Caroliner = 90snoise

Yeah Caroliner was inactive during this period. Grux was doing Rubber O Cement and Hans Grusels Krankenkabinet, Gregg was in full-on Neil Hamburger mode and Trey was doing Mr Bungle/Secret Chiefs. Not sure what happened to Brendan...

uh Caroliner was active during this period. Pretty sure they did at least one US tour, and I know I saw them play at least a couple local gigs.

The people you are mentioning Al, were members of Faxed Head. Different band.

ouch, reading moanwave, and thinking about many people I know and/or have dated in the Bay

― Dominique, Friday, September 25, 2015 8:52 AM (5 hours ago)

hahaha, i was gonna tell Whiney to ask geeta about her former roommate's music, which is "classic" moanwave

Did she live with Best Coast?

lol she lived with an ex-gf of Dominique

I vote for Faxed head

Dronebro is definitely not just an SF thing, there's a bunch of Portland dronebros. They are all over the country. A couple months back I saw a rarity -- a drumset dronebro who just did paradiddles for 20 minutes to a dronebro effect.

Gasp, though -- "Drome Triler of Puzzle Zoo People" is THE classic album of this period

this album is weird, schizophrenic, but oddly beautiful

SIGHTINGS

worth mentioning-
needlegun
dj dog dick
narwhalz (of sound)
teeth mountain
grasslung
wzt hearts

― flappy bird, Thursday, September 24, 2015 4:31 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

BMORE ZOO

i find it hard to jam to recordings of this a lot of this shit. just too brutal for almost any conceivable listening context. i put on a hair police bootleg on the way to work the other day and it hurt so much (on earbuds) i had to turn it off. but def some of the rawest live sets of all time. fat worm of error were like the closest to the ideal of the weirdest captain beefheart jams. i still think about that set all the time, there was so much space in between everything, everyone careful not to make their weird squiggly sound at exactly the same time. i opened for wolf eyes once, they were playing some dumbass festival that made them sign a contract saying they wouldn't play any other shows in town within 3 months so they were the secret headliners. they were such fucking pros. i saw sightings once, i actually like their records and their set was impressive but it gave me a headache. love reading whiney's heartfelt descriptions of this scene. i think this scene and the diy sleeping on couches circuit still exists though.

needle gun was sexy as hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKlpzSYhr0M

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good poll; i somehow missed the Yellow Swans during this era, i'll have to check them out.

what is it people like about wolf eyes?

They've heard of them.

Shocked this poll got as many votes as it did. Could an Anthony Braxton fan contingent have pushed Wolf Eyes over the top? Thought Prurient would be higher, but maybe the ILX metal community didn't notice this poll. (Prurient's made some decent inroads into metal-land lately; his last album was on Profound Lore.)