haha
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 17:31 (nine years ago) link
Like if there was any moment in their career when some kind of collaboration with a stable of outside musicians (setting aside string sections and so on) was plausible I think this could have been it.
well really this just happened a couple years later with the White Album, right? Clapton, Yoko etc. And accelerated each one's treatment of the others as session musicians, which further alienated the band from each other.
but yeah at this point they were still very much "together", maybe they were cohesive enough as a unit to work with a whole clique of new people without splintering
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 17:35 (nine years ago) link
xposts hahaha, that's great
also a pretty cool fanfic really. paul mccartney struggles to complete his new solo concept album about an old-timey jug band, has a mental breakdown over his inability to compete with brian wilson alone. the rest of them decamp back to memphis to chase a dream. the sixties were never the same again.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 17:38 (nine years ago) link
i think they would have dug it honestly. i mean all the gripes about playing live where nobody could hear them, and so there was no point even playing well - getting to really kick back at length with a bunch of fucking tight players would probably have felt super stimulating and invigorating, "shit, yeah, this is what we do this for!" like a better version of how much george harrison enjoyed hanging around with The Band. you're exactly right about the white album - the "treating each other as session musicians" was the problem there but i kind of believe the stax thing would have played out differently. they also were still on mostly happy drugs.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 17:41 (nine years ago) link
Stax would've made much more sense for Let It Be.
― vmajestic, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 19:15 (nine years ago) link
ooh def
not all cold and drafty that's for sure
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 19:19 (nine years ago) link
I'm very happily imagining some alternate timeline where this deal didn't fall through and they trundled determinedly into Memphis in late 1966...
and while they're there, they meet a teenage alex chilton, who convinces a disgruntled george harrison to quit the beatles and form a new band with him and his buddy chris bell.
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 19:48 (nine years ago) link
...but that new band immediately breaks up because they keep fighting and it's just not fun anymore, but THEN one of the guys who was working on making flyers for them decides to change the direction of his life, and that guy ends up being the captain of the Exxon Valdez and he doesn't hit the reef in the Prince William Sound because he's so good at steering, averting environmental disaster
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
wtf happens at 1:23 in She Said She Said with the drums, how is that fill even possible
― flappy bird, Saturday, 29 October 2016 02:07 (seven years ago) link
Is that where the time signature shifts?
― Funkateers for Fears (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 29 October 2016 02:19 (seven years ago) link
that's what she said
― PappaWheelie V, Saturday, 29 October 2016 02:59 (seven years ago) link
the fill leading into "and she's making me feel like..."
sounds like a single tom hit was reversed but i doubt that was possible
― flappy bird, Saturday, 29 October 2016 03:33 (seven years ago) link
There's no reversed anything and that fill is entirely possible.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Saturday, 29 October 2016 05:37 (seven years ago) link
nope, it's definitely there. i hadn't noticed it before. i listened to the spotify version (remastered) and then put on the original LP to doublecheck. it's on both versions.
it's reversed and clipped, very subtly, and in two different spots.
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Saturday, 29 October 2016 17:02 (seven years ago) link
Oh yeah, that
― Funkateers for Fears (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 29 October 2016 17:04 (seven years ago) link
It's not reversed. They're ghost notes.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Saturday, 29 October 2016 17:46 (seven years ago) link
here, i isolated the measure in question, let it repeat a few times, then do the goofy 50% slow down move for the bit in question:
https://clyp.it/njjglgbn
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Saturday, 29 October 2016 19:05 (seven years ago) link
Turrican is right, that isn't reversed.
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 29 October 2016 19:14 (seven years ago) link
Turrican is right
Oh don't encourage him ffs.
― Millions of species Faye Dunaway (Tom D.), Saturday, 29 October 2016 19:25 (seven years ago) link
principles before personalities
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 29 October 2016 19:26 (seven years ago) link
Delighted to know that I wind you up so much, Thomas.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Saturday, 29 October 2016 19:29 (seven years ago) link
also, if you reverse the clip in question, the part that sounds reversed in the original sounds like a normal note (a ghost note, actually) placed into the middle of a sea of reversal.
oh well. i mean there's nothing online about reversing a small bit of a ringo fill on "she said she said" anywhere online, and all of these recordings have been relentlessly examined, so i'm sure it didn't happen.
but agree with flappy b that it does sound like that, and if i knew how to make a sound like that on a drumset i'd be doing it left and right, probably as part of a Mysteries of Aural Illusion act in a carnival.
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Saturday, 29 October 2016 19:32 (seven years ago) link
If you listen closely to the drum track throughout the song, you'll hear that Ringo is ghosting on the snare (and occasionally the hi-hat) throughout the song... this, combined with Emerick's close-miking on the drums is what's achieving the effect you hear. I'm 120% sure there's nothing reversed on there.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Saturday, 29 October 2016 19:34 (seven years ago) link
it does sound like that for sure, no argument there, as an anecdotal evidence kind of guy my support for the claim is I've had this happen to me several times since we got a drummer. we're not the Beatles so nobody every bears down and listens hard enough to notice this stuff but on several occasions I've gone WHAAAAAT THE FUCK IS THAT YOU GENIUS to the engineer or mixer and he's like "ha, no, thanks, that's just your drummer, he's really good, I know sounds backwards but it's just how the part fits into the track." on one of these occasions I was really like "are these people fucking with me?" but they weren't, this just happens.
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 29 October 2016 19:43 (seven years ago) link
yeah, i think it's an accidental studio effect - i don't hear it on the snare drum in the rest of the song, but there are a couple parts near the end (just before and after the final "she saaaaaaid" coda) where the cymbals almost sound reversed, and i do recognize that as something that happens when you beat the shit out of a cymbal that's way too close to an iphone, i mean microphone.
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Saturday, 29 October 2016 19:54 (seven years ago) link
some of ringo's very best drumming on this song
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Saturday, 29 October 2016 19:55 (seven years ago) link
an iphone, i mean microphone.
idgi
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 29 October 2016 20:00 (seven years ago) link
x-post:
I think Ringo himself has gone on record as saying 'Rain' is his finest drumming, but for me it's between 'She Said She Said' and 'Tomorrow Never Knows', really!
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Saturday, 29 October 2016 20:12 (seven years ago) link
iphone/microphone
at the time i thought there was something interesting about how nowadays most people just use an iphone to record a practice sesh vs setting up a real microphone, but in the cold light of 22 minutes later, not so much!
turrican those two, along with ticket to ride, might make up my top 3 for ringo. he was really on a roll in 65/66
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Saturday, 29 October 2016 20:22 (seven years ago) link
Recently noticed how crucial he is to ''Wait'' working at all as a song. Not flashy or anything, just really smart choices to inject interest into a below-average Lennon/McCartney product.
― DOCTOR CAISNO, BYCREATIVELABBUS (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 29 October 2016 20:44 (seven years ago) link
Ringo's my favorite player of the four by such a wide margin you can't even see the other three in the rearview.
― aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Saturday, 29 October 2016 20:45 (seven years ago) link
My #1 is She Said She Said or For No One, depending on the day
― Iago Galdston, Saturday, 29 October 2016 20:45 (seven years ago) link
I love "Wait" purely for that line..
"and I've been good, as good as I can be"
i.e. not very 'good' at all
― Mark G, Saturday, 29 October 2016 21:06 (seven years ago) link
Wasn't 'Wait' a Help! reject that ended up on Rubber Soul because they needed one more song?
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Saturday, 29 October 2016 21:12 (seven years ago) link
^yes. one of Rubber Soul's many duds
― flappy bird, Sunday, 30 October 2016 23:23 (seven years ago) link
btw thank you everyone for going in on this thread revive. question answered :)
Got to Get You into My Life 0Good Day Sunshine 0Taxman 0
scenes.
― piscesx, Monday, 31 October 2016 10:45 (seven years ago) link
^yes. one of Rubber Soul's many duds― flappy bird, Sunday, 30 October 2016 23:23 (yesterday) Permalink
― flappy bird, Sunday, 30 October 2016 23:23 (yesterday) Permalink
lol burned rubber
― Treeship, Monday, 31 October 2016 11:09 (seven years ago) link
Rubber Soul, why is it so burned and hated?
― From a Vanity 6 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 October 2016 11:36 (seven years ago) link
Oh, I bet it was a big hit back in 1965.
― pplains, Monday, 31 October 2016 13:51 (seven years ago) link
for me it's always going to be the backing tracks to "Strawberry Fields Forever", especially that end bit with the multi percussion. it's at the one of one of the outtakes on Anthology 2 CD 2.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 31 October 2016 14:08 (seven years ago) link
OK after 45 years listening to this album I have just realised that only two songs make it to three minutes - and then only just. I would have thought Tomorrow Never Knows was, like, nine minutes. Every song a world.
― assert (MatthewK), Monday, 3 August 2020 12:01 (three years ago) link
Otm
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 3 August 2020 12:06 (three years ago) link
yup. i dug this and Rubber Soul out the other day and I was amazed that I managed to listen to them both in the space it took to cook, eat and wash-up my breakfast.
― doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 3 August 2020 13:39 (three years ago) link
Eight of the fourteen under 2:30 and three more between 2:30 and 2:40.
― timellison, Monday, 3 August 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link
The Overlanders in 1966: 'It's just mediocre [...] I'd be embarrassed to say that I had written some of the numbers on this LP."
"Revolver: it sucks" (Record Mirror, 3 Sept 1966) pic.twitter.com/D86CK0QlYK— Bowiesongs (@bowiesongs) July 25, 2022
― Portsmouth Bubblejet, Monday, 25 July 2022 19:11 (one year ago) link
lol more like The Underlisteners
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 25 July 2022 19:12 (one year ago) link
From wikipedia: Although they released twelve singles on the Pye record label between 1963 and 1966, the Overlanders' only British hit was a cover version of the Beatles' "Michelle."
I guess they would've preferred more "Michelle"-type songs.
― birdistheword, Monday, 25 July 2022 20:06 (one year ago) link
"We haven't been in the charts of late"
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 25 July 2022 20:30 (one year ago) link
The Popular Overlanders thread is quite lovely IIRC - a lot of them turn-up and it turns into an ongoing reunion where they trade reminisces of others and a different era.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 25 July 2022 20:51 (one year ago) link