Pearl Jam - No Code

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holy shit me and Al are on mindmeld mode here.

(x-post yet again)

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 13 March 2005 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link

i think its safe to say he was the most influential rock singer of the 90s. i have to imagine he's not happy about it.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 13 March 2005 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link

he seems to be more pissed about people biting Layne Staley's style: http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?lid=3530822107858492607

Al (sitcom), Sunday, 13 March 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

although that song is a hidden track on Lost Dogs at the end of "Bee Girl", so it's kind of a split tribute to Layne Staley and the girl from the Blind Melon video.

Al (sitcom), Sunday, 13 March 2005 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link

haha first google hit for "the serpent was subtil" is a Pitchfork review of the best-of.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to really like this album. I'm listening to it again for the first time in umpteen years. I have the nine-cards version. Apparently which cards you got was just random. Anyone got a theory about the artwork?
Random thoughts:

- The first track is great and I remember learning the simple guitar part as one of the first tunes I learnt to play. Hail, Hail kinda ruins the effect and I always skip that song.

- Tracks like Who You Are and I'm Open along with a lot of what was on Vitalogy really make me wonder why Pearl Jam have gone down in history as the "safe" AOR alternative to Nirvana who were wild and crazy. Nirvana rocked for sure but after the first two albums Pearl Jam were making some pretty odd recordings. Who Are You is NOT a grunge song for fucks sake. It's barely even a rock song.

- Off He Goes does sound like Bruce Springsteen. Very maudling.

- Red Mosquito used to be used as the background music for Talk Radio.

- Lukin is PROPER ROCKING!!!

- Around The Bend is Pearl Jam's All The Time In The World

- I'm Open is cringeworthy but I thought it was cool when I was 15.

errr... and those are my rubbish notes.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 14 March 2005 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link

oh yeah, this is my favorite pj record too. have fond memories of driving to the middle of nowhere w/ this as a soundtrack.

sometimes -> smile is great. dead spots = "i'm open" and the last two or three trax.

never saw why pearl jam were considered a third-rate nirvana--they always sounded much more like a third-rate neil young + crazy horse to me.

fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Monday, 14 March 2005 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link

When I finally heard it I thought it quite good. I've only heard it the once, though. (Like every PJ album after the first two.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 March 2005 01:41 (nineteen years ago) link

This and "Vitalogy" are their best. "Off He Goes," "Hail Hail," and "Present Tense" may give the PJ haters some pause.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 March 2005 01:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone got a theory about the artwork

I'm sure you realized this, but if you fold the cardboard digipak so it lays flat, you can see the outline of a pyramid with an eye in the middle.

Jeff Reguilon (Talent Explosion), Monday, 14 March 2005 01:58 (nineteen years ago) link

i never ever listen to this album but i really dig my vinyl copy. the packaging is amazing with all the weird color photos on thick glossy paper. musta cost them a pretty penny to make. and i bought mine new for, like, 2 bucks.they had a zillion of them at the old 3rd street jazz store for some reason.(same place i bought multiple original sealed copies of kain's blue guerilla album for a dollar apiece. they had boxes of them for some reason.) i've probably only played it twice, but i've often shown people the cool graphics.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 14 March 2005 02:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I like this one but Yield and Vitalogy are better. Also, I heart Binaural. (but not Riot Act. Ugh.)

Simon H. (Simon H.), Monday, 14 March 2005 02:14 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah Binaural was solid but Riot Act was pretty dire.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 02:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't snooze on Riot Act!!!! Matt Cameron songs are not to be denied!

Man, I'm really surprised about the Vitalogy luv, as, from what I recall, there were a few stunt tracks ("Bugs", "foxymophandlefivedollars") that perved the rest of the batch. And "Nothingman" did no damn thang for moi. But, yeah, most of it is nice.

I'm a Yield / Binaural man, myself (w/ Binaural as the better album, but Yield being my fave), & No Code is close behind. Bless you, Al.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 14 March 2005 02:31 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, Riot Act had some moments. the drab filler drags it down, though, in my opinion a lot moreso than the bizarro filler on Vitalogy, which has at least 7 or 8 of their very best songs.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 02:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I definitely go through phases where Yield is my favorite.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 02:41 (nineteen years ago) link

The one track on Yield whose intro sounds like "Academy Fight Song" always gives me goosebumps.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 14 March 2005 02:50 (nineteen years ago) link

in the five minutes I was listening to the radio tonight walking between the libraries I work at, "Corduroy" came on. EERIE.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 03:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Bought this in high school when it was new and I was still trying to like Pearl Jam. Realized: Hmm, I'll never like Pearl Jam. Went on with my life.

marc h., Monday, 14 March 2005 03:29 (nineteen years ago) link

No Code is by far their best album, for me anyway. It's them at their most relaxed, their most creative, and it's farthest away from Ten that they got without forcing it. It's hard for me to pick a favorite track, but my least fave is definitely 'I'm Open', which to my mind just feels like a big rip off of 'Deep Kick' by RHCP. I think RHCP came first in 1995, then PJ in 1996...that's not the point, but I heard 'Deep Kick' first and 'I'm Open' just felt hollow to me.

Riot Act is great, but I think the problem with the last couple of albums has been that they're getting into Grateful Dead territory where the live shows surpass the album in terms of importance, and the album is just there to mark the beginning of a new tour. It's in their live shows that the new songs come into their own, and on the album they sound like it's just bare bones. "You Are" is a great song, but the album version pales in comparison to how it sounds live. Then again, maybe it's just that I've become a Deadhead. *weeps*

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 March 2005 06:41 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, I hear you on that, definitely in the case of Riot Act, it felt like the most minor part of the whole album-tour cycle. and I kinda wish that they didn't always do the cycle in that exact order nowadays, that album in particular would've probably benefitted from road-testing the material first.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 08:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I always thought "Ten" and "Vs" their worst albums. "Vitalogy" is where the fun really begins.

OTM Vegemite Grrl. I'm far from a fan, but I've seen'em live the last couple of tours. They're one of few acts who draw inspiration by their opening acts; when Sleater Kinney and Sonic Youth opened for them on the last couple of tours PJ were incredible.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 March 2005 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, Ten was my least favorite for a long time (up until Riot Act). Vs. has some really good songs, though.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Vs. is wretched for the most part, Ten has a few very good moments. Neither album has dated very well.

I think Binaural is their most underrated album - not a real dud track in the lot.

Simon H. (Simon H.), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link

"No Code" was at least an attempt to do something different. The only Pearl Jam album where all of the songs don't sound alike. They may have failed, but should be honoured for the attempt.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

VegemiteGrrl OTM

I remember selling Bi... back as soon as I heard a live record that had most of the songs on it and thinking "wow, maybe I'll just buy the live records as they come out, the songs sound better than on the studio records."

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

No Code is a great album.

stevie (stevie), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, wow, Vs. is very spotty. The music's OK, but Eddie gets in his own way lots of times (except on "Rearviewmirror", maybe) (and "Go"). Of course, you listen to local rock radio around my parts, and they play "Go" & something from Ten and wistfully ask listeners, "gee, remember when Pearl Jam used to ROCK?", which I guess is code for "gee, remember when Pearl Jam sounded totally full of themselves, pompous, and humorless?"

BRING ON THE DOPEY ONE-LINERS HATERS

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, Vs. is way spotty. but it's also maybe the only PJ album where I still like all the radio hits (of which there are many). plus some good thrashy moments like Leash and Blood.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha - those thrasy moments are exactly what I was thinking of re: Eddie getting in his own (& his band's) way. You don't need to SELL the anthem that hard, EV - the music's doing that bit for you! Just mewl and bellow a smidge, s'all.

I'm tempted to say part of the problem w/ Vs. is the sequencing. Starting w/ "Go", and THEN following w/ "Animal", it's a bit too much. And then jupming from GET OUT OF MY FUCKING FACE to "Indifference" ... meh. Still have a soft spot for "Rats", though, which quotes Michael Jackson's "Ben", doesn't it? Oh, Edward - so pointed, your social commentary.

GOT A GUN
FACT I GOT TWO
THAT'S OK MAN
CAUSE I LOVE GOD
GLORIFIED VERSION OF A PELLET GUN
FEEL SO MANLY
WHEN AAAAAAAAAAAAARMED

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

on first listen

"Sometimes": wow, it's been awhile since I've been this up close and personal with the veddster.

"Hail Hail": wow, we produce the fuck out of rock these days. we also don't sound this incomprehensible.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

is "these days" = 2005, or 1996, or both?

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

"Up Close and Personal with the Veddster" is going to be the subtitle of my 33 1/3 book.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link

these days = 2005. i just listened to the radio on the way home. heard that one song (probably three days grace) where the guy is like YOU WILL HATE ME ARGH YOU WILL KILL YOUR LIFE ARGH.

"Who We Are": I haven't heard this track since it came out ("Smile" and "Hail, Hail" were the radio picks, really). Al was fuckin' right about the drums. WTF. this is so hippie.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

man both this and "Hail Hail" were way more driftier than I remember them being as a kid. Pop really has made my alt-brain all bugaboo.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

"In My Tree": more drums, jesus, wtf. This turn for the eastern really did leave the playing field open for the distinctly judeo-christian Creed. I really have no idea what Vedder is going on about so far. Shocker.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link

best part of "Hail Hail" for me is the gradually fading out chug of the drums and the lingering guitar line.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

"Smile": and the A&R man thanked God that they were still nuts about Neil Young.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

"In My Tree" and "Lukin" are their best songs evarr! Although "In My Tree" is really just Peral Jam channeling peak-era U2!!!!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

The hippy drumming on this album is why this is my favorite Pearl Jam of all! "Release" should've been on this album!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I was wrong before, about what their best songs were, I forgot all about "Release"!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah good call, IMT is kinda U2 ish. in a good way.

(xp I am totally smelling what teh nick is cooking)

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

proof that pop-ism isn't good for you: I would turn "Smile" off the radio before I would turn off "Higher." "Higher" more fun.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

"Smile" got radio spins in your neck of the woods, Anthony, really? that was kind of the album where I stopped hearing alt-rock DJs handpick non-single PJ tracks for heavy rotation, but if anything I heard "Red Mosquito" more.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

"Higher" by who? Creed?

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

question - what was the real dropoff for pj's popularity and dominance in altradio? when i went overseas, a few months after vs. dropped, they were huge - the atlanta alt rock station had billboards with just 'PEARL JAM. 99x' on them (now they say 'COBAIN LIVES. 99x', no joke), at least 80% of that fucking album was on altradio, ALOT. when i came back, just before yield dropped, there was this since of 'ok, they're coming back, they've stopped fucking around, accepted their lot in life', the atlanta altradio station played ONLY pj the weekend before it came out, and there was this sense of 'ok, altrock's not gonna die, altrock's not gonna die, 94 forever', and then i only heard three traxx from it on the radio (and only within a year of it's release - i can't remember the last time i heard 'given to fly') and none of them anywhere near as much as even fucking 'glorified g'. so, um, was it vitalogy what did it? or no code?

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link

well our alt-station was pretty die-hard back when this came out. Chavez's "The Guard Attacks" was a Buzz Track! I dunno if I've heard "Red Mosquito" before, will find out soon enough.

Yes, "Higher" by Creed. Mushmouth liberal slack just isn't as amusing on the radio as the anthem of the jesus donkey (neener neener neer).

"Off He Goes": pleasant alt-country, can't focus on the lyrics on first listen but I like it.

(x-post Vitalogy was the one people bought and No Code gave them no reason to bother again - see Monster and New Adventures)

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link

the pacing off this album is kinda goofy from a mainstream rock standpoint. drum circles followed by a turgid Neil number followed by six minutes of alt-country. this is not how you keep your arena authority (the point, I know).

"Had It": low-mic'd little rocker. i'd have to be a fan to care.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

"Red Mosquito": I think part of the reason misanthropic rock made a comeback is that Vedder stopped SAYING anything. I don't like this song. hippie RAWK, no...

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

was "better man" pj's biggest hit (merkin ball doesn't count as it skews) pre-"last kiss"? i know reading pj chart standing in the nineties is tricky. what pj songs broke out of the alt ghetto?

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link


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