It's a cruel cruel summer: the sounds of deep tech / shuffle / cuttin shapes / upgrunt house / etc. etc. in 2014

aite son lemme ask u a question n shut u the fuck up in the process real quick

frankie knuckles (house) playing at no mountain high (disco) // karl tuff jam (ukg) playing masters at work (house) // dj unique (grime) playing midnight request line (dubstep) // mark radford (deeptech) playing hot creations (deep house)

r u so stupid as u cant see the connections in djs playing the genre which founded, influenced or has a direct narrative in its existence? you think that minimizes what theyre doing or nah?

these blogs/websites cudnt care a less about the success story until they cudnt ignore it any more so u think radford is gonna jump on them with a 100% audio rehab plus recordings playlist or play the game with abit of give an take

finally u think i dont listen to house respect its history or bump certain house djs more than certain deep tech djs, ur way of listening/processing music is essentially flawed but u aint the only one on here so take some comfort in that

"bait house tunes which to be clear i do know arent straight up deep tech per se (i had a scolding post upthread too if u bovd reading that) but for me deep tech is as much about what the scene decides to play as what it produces itself and to claim otherwise is nuts"

theres a difference between me saying them tunes are not deep tech and me saying them tunes dont get played wtf r u talking about, if u cant see the need to distinguish between the two when a) the lines r muddied enough as it is when the unique london stuff goes under the super generic name of 'deep tech' b) the producers making the tunes im saying arent deep tech i.e. THE WIDER HOUSE SCENE (for the most part) have no idea deep tech exists and c) you still cant see what im getting at with that dj analogy

then u a fool, anyway i broke down your argument like wenger did alexis sanchez so im outta here unless its to critique/co-sign/smh other peoples posts

sho

lol wow rage issues

major crossed wires here, not only do i agree with all of that but i have been posting to that effect all throughout this thread, honestly baffed how u can't see that

the only diff i've been having with u is that while now in these last 2 posts ur using all these little modifiers like 'minimise' and 'distinguish' before that it was all hardline shutdowns that imo werent a fair reflection of the sometimes misleading 'muddle' u and i both agree exists with this music. like saying that massien's 'contrived' is obviously implicitly calling it tryhard fake, come off it with the oh all i meant was it's fine just not my cup of tea afterwards

"finally u think i dont listen to house respect its history or bump certain house djs" i didnt say none of this, projecting hard

and "ur way of listening/processing music", come again??? i am not jimithexploder trust me

no rage issues im calm

on massien boom right after i said that contrived shit i dropped a fire hugo set n then another, but i do think that badman tune he's got is tryhard fake u 100 percent right, plus the fact that all the jimitheexploder type guys flock to him while putting down ninety percent of the stuff yeah it draws my ire even though yes talent wise he is on the top percentile, he's hard and his shit aint FACT bait at all but if someones gonna end up there uno it's gonna be him.

n yo if you know about dissensus ion even know why we having this convo, if you've read that thread you know ive said the same type of stuff im saying now n upthread a million times in various levels of politeness, political correction n uno i dont backtrack. not one instance. ye i might drop 'hardline shutdowns' sometimes but its long for writing disclaimers after everything.

anyway seems like u agree with me (ur words) so sn.

good game well played btw

i know u think ur slick with comments like

"seasoned fans will recognise of course that yes i am simultaneously using both realness and popist sticks to beat everyone itt with"

im a fan of them tekkers as well

"feel really bad for trilliam that all the major deep tech players seem to keep falling for these popular falsehoods rather than pursuing the one true path of rustic artisanal and definitely not contrived ruff sqwad 2002 playstation beats"

u get my angle wrong then i try correct u n im projecting? cool

What do you think of strange static's rep in this regard trilliam, they seem to be getting similar jimi-style "oh now this is the exciting deep tech I was waiting for!" reactions from those quarters.

As I was saying above I find it a bit odd that that momentum is building around Massien since it applies to so few of his tunes really (though I don't disagree it's happening).

Would be more interested in a secret history of deep tech "future beats" anyway, there a lot of fitting tunes that i haven't seen people talk about (maybe I'm just missing the convos) e.g.

https://soundcloud.com/topshelfmaterial/limitless-retrosynths-firecracker

Though actually Top Shelf is HM's label isn't it? Maybe that's a bad example.

"feel really bad for trilliam that all the major deep tech players seem to keep falling for these popular falsehoods rather than pursuing the one true path of rustic artisanal and definitely not contrived ruff sqwad 2002 playstation beats"

u get my angle wrong then i try correct u n im projecting? cool

― joeyshoshoshabadoo, Saturday, 31 January 2015 17:07 Bookmark

lol yeah alright i'll cop, i did put too much whip on that and i know it - but for rly real i don't think it's so unfair to reckon another person might have come along and sincerely got that impression, and to me at least that's a frustrating prospect in terms of spreading the gospel or harshing a well-meaning buzz

point stands that if someone (not saying u any more i stress) was to claim that this stuff is ideologically solely grimey or solely this that or the other then that would be a strained pretence. like with funky with diff people forcing it saying oh it's bongo jam oh it's devine collective oh it's cooly g - all those options get the yeah but nah cos the reality (clear to anyone that listened with an open mind) was that it was various emphases coming in and out of focus. which is when ppl get vex cos u think ur making it up as u go just to fuck with them hence the 2 sticks haha sigh

(this stuff doesnt quite work like funky tho either, the tunes arent made to talk to each other in the same way but idk how to express this clearly yet)

(this stuff doesnt quite work like funky tho either, the tunes arent made to talk to each other in the same way but idk how to express this clearly yet)

― r|t|c, Saturday, January 31, 2015 9:29 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's weird b/c with funky the tunes "talking to each other" was both literally in terms of the sonic overlay and the importance of transitions in the mix and also more broadly about the importance of the spectrum aesthetic, the way diva tunes and hard tunes could (by dint of the importance of the transitioning) offer up commentary on the scene itself.

In deep tech I get excited when I start to hear a familiar riff from a tune I love filtering into the mix, but the excitement is rarely due to the frission between the track being mixed out and the track being mixed in. And at the more broad level the spectrum effect (which yeah I was over-emphasising above) is a brute fact but not a noble imperative - a heads-down consistent set is often the smarter way to go than jumping all over the place.

I wonder how much that "talking to each other" effect is really a direct consequence extrapolated out from a starting point of syncopated grooves and the way that influences mixing styles - the DJ styles that feel more syncopated (Jack N Danny, Aaron Vybe) also feel more like funky in that way, the transitions feel more important than they do elsewhere (conversely the literally "deep" sets can be as fun or as revelatory in different ways of course).

wait tim are u using inverted commas future beats to suggest tunes with the same bourgeois factmag perception of strange static etc or just ones that are actually cutting edgy? cos if the latter haha plz rephrase i beg u

wrt "missing the convos" i was thinking the same to some extent when i was reading trilliam's post about s.e.f and switched on records roster, like the names are familiar and the tunes are hype but i try and hear as many mixes as possible and they're not rly showcased like that. feels like we're starting to talk about a double inception underground to the underground now

wait tim are u using inverted commas future beats to suggest tunes with the same bourgeois factmag perception of strange static etc or just ones that are actually cutting edgy? cos if the latter haha plz rephrase i beg u

Both actually. I think the problem is that the tunes that try to be cutting edgy (even with the best of intentions) most of the time run the risk of lapsing into factmag territory anyway. Or perhaps rather they retrospectively take on that quality once the factmag discourse catches up with them e.g. I'd be surprised if "badman" was contrived at the point of creation but it starts to seem that way by nature of how it's received.

When I ask for a "secret history" I mean it less in the sense of "these are the tunes we should be talking about" and more in the sense of "what tunes do people think fit that narrative but factmag is too lazy to know about yet."

Which might yield some tunes that are actually cutting edgy and some tunes that are contrived.

Goes without saying that it's not remotely a useful guide to "what's really good" in the broad sense.

The examples I'd give from funky - cooly g and roska are too obvious maybe - are stuff like "Different Lekstrix" which was a tune I adored from inception but you also know that give it 2 years and it'll have taken on a sad afterlife as a decontextualised Numbers-fans jam.

Real heads know that the secret apotheosis of funky's actual-no-air-quotes tru kult experimentalist vanguard was "Get Off The Wall (Delio D'Cruz Remix)" but I'm not confident that I could spot deep tech equivalents so easily.

"What do you think of strange static's rep in this regard trilliam, they seem to be getting similar jimi-style "oh now this is the exciting deep tech I was waiting for!" reactions from those quarters."

it's not surprising they getting more critical reception because everyones infatuated with this forward thinking/future sounds vibe. im a fan of strange static and they're pushing the boat out a bit more than their peers in the innovation stakes. faster tempos hectic mixing more kind of organised noise. their sound is moving away from the deep tech sound which is only a few poles away (variant) of the popular house sound and if people follow them i wouldn't complain at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIhjUcI4nDU

deep banger works well with your Nasty Crew --> "Gabryelle" --> ??? continuum tim f

https://soundcloud.com/audio-rehab-london/lo-slung-dvinci-playtime-productions-remix-preview

ahh i hadnt realised this had also finally come out on the audio rehab remix ep

pretty sure this was the first ever tune i heard that really caught my imagination with this stuff

https://soundcloud.com/k-master-1/k-master-usd-fm-radioshow-27th-jan-2015mp3

liking k master's shows a lot recently. think he nicely articulates a lesser-heard position in between all the poles we've mentioned, bit of futuristic but just headz-down warehousey too

funny moment when he plays a mr solo tune and then announces that the next one's by RAZZLER MAN (does anyone else remember him? - tribal tech end of funky days 2010/11 guy along the lines of carnao and lr groove). literally just like listening to smoove kriminal or weeksy on deja again

https://soundcloud.com/pathogen-beats/strictly-underground-house-december-edition-mixed-for-wwwlocateyourshootcom

this set by pathogen though, pree the tune at 39:00, the gliding synths, the vocals, some perfect mutant grime house

― joeyshoshoshabadoo, Thursday, January 8, 2015 1:27 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

looooove this set

https://soundcloud.com/k-master-1/k-master-usd-fm-radioshow-27th-jan-2015mp3

liking k master's shows a lot recently. think he nicely articulates a lesser-heard position in between all the poles we've mentioned, bit of futuristic but just headz-down warehousey too

funny moment when he plays a mr solo tune and then announces that the next one's by RAZZLER MAN (does anyone else remember him? - tribal tech end of funky days 2010/11 guy along the lines of carnao and lr groove). literally just like listening to smoove kriminal or weeksy on deja again

was feeling that set still

losing my shit @ some of the tracks on this soundcloud https://soundcloud.com/studio37music

ya this is interesting

was just thinking about that d'vinci/playtime remix i mentioned wondering if a sense of that kinda dubby space could come back a bit, this stuff sounds like a possible answer

gonna listen to some of their modefm podcasts now.... never realised just how many guys mode actually had on btw! http://www.modefm.com/timetable/

http://blissout.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/two-thousand-and-fourteen-part-two.html

right or wrong a hunch/bias as it may prove to be it did seem kinda odd that grimey simey's quite pointed deep tech tune selection here went unremarked

not necessarily an encouraging sign obv

also like did these brehs really have to call themselves things like pathogen beats and xylon genesis, i meannnnnn....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSMcuOoVgMw

just to even up the scores i listened to the audiowhore4 promo mix today and enjoyed this one :]

haven't properly tried to get into this stuff yet - ie have not listened to a single MIX - but i've enjoyed various bits i've heard through various channels and am feeling ready and willing to take the plunge, so i'm gonna check out that oft mentioned Jack & Danny set and... what else is essential? gimme some homework please ;)

https://instagram.com/p/zYY6dAx1QS

can i replace every time i've tried to explain this stuff itt with this instead plz thnx

https://soundcloud.com/imagemk/february-2015-mix

fave mix i've heard in a bit. very nasty very acid very new wave very good

gimme some homework please ;)

Some essentials imo:

Warehouse LDN Presents Frequency 13-09-2014 Promo CD Mixed by Nightshift - https://soundcloud.com/djlancemorgan/warehouse-ldn-presents-2
Calle Lebraun - 100K Promo MiX - https://soundcloud.com/callelebraun/calle-lebraun-100k-mix
Aaron Vybe - Destruction Mix - https://soundcloud.com/aaronvybe/aaron-vybe-destruction-mix
Definiton Audio Presents Various Audio Volume 1 - https://pro.beatport.com/release/definition-audio-presents-various-audio-vol-1/1403504
Audio Rehab Vol 1 - https://pro.beatport.com/release/audio-rehab-vol-1/1294510

https://soundcloud.com/djjaypower/jay-power-london-live-fm-2712015-3-hour-special
http://londonniggatimeline.tumblr.com/post/109728120495/ite-so-this-that-car-crash-music-right-here-if

this set was everything the man said and more

relentless, incredible, all the power tunes, a masterpiece

so disgustingly filthy in fact that a mysterious advert for dettol magically appears half way through

https://soundcloud.com/pathogen-beats/strictly-underground-house-december-edition-mixed-for-wwwlocateyourshootcom

this set by pathogen though, pree the tune at 39:00, the gliding synths, the vocals, some perfect mutant grime house

― joeyshoshoshabadoo, Thursday, January 8, 2015 1:27 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

looooove this set

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 19:26 (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah agreed - my interest in this stuff had been flagging lately (prob down to me being my usual flaky self rather than any actual drop-off in the music) but this set has def. restored faith a bit. Going to give the K Master USD FM set a spin next.

simon's taste in rap v dull & uninspired. "coco"??

anyway

whats he gonna know about rap honestly

https://soundcloud.com/imagemk/february-2015-mix

fave mix i've heard in a bit. very nasty very acid very new wave very good

big looks for this, this guy flies under the radar had a couple bangers b3 used to play think he put suttin out on eastside as well

https://soundcloud.com/imagemk/february-2015-mix

fave mix i've heard in a bit. very nasty very acid very new wave very good

― r|t|c, Sunday, February 22, 2015 3:20 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my god the 39 min mark

come thru with a big bass <3

listening to dj jay power on the radio right now on london live

no words

if i was saying before how deep tech might be a funky without a marcus then forget that cos HE IS RISEN

http://www62.zippyshare.com/v/rbwW82CU/file.html

here's the 37 minutes of it that i taped, benevolent don that i am

hopefully this will be unnecessary very soon but there's previous weeks shows that never did turn up on soundcloud so

trouble is i'm not usually around tuesdays :<

This is fabulous.

really could not have ended more persuasively than with a scottie d refix of 'be your girl' :)

https://soundcloud.com/djjaypower/jay-power-london-live-fm-2712015-3-hour-special
http://londonniggatimeline.tumblr.com/post/109728120495/ite-so-this-that-car-crash-music-right-here-if

this set was everything the man said and more

relentless, incredible, all the power tunes, a masterpiece

so disgustingly filthy in fact that a mysterious advert for dettol magically appears half way through

― r|t|c, Sunday, 22 February 2015 17:40 (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

YES loving this, totally lives up to the hype. Put it on last night not really meaning to listen to all 3 hours in one go but just got caught up in it - so many great bits I'd never heard before, and it just keeps pushing the energy levels/intensity right through. Ace.

really could not have ended more persuasively than with a scottie d refix of 'be your girl' :)

― r|t|c, Wednesday, February 25, 2015 8:45 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Was gonna come back and O_O at the final draw

https://soundcloud.com/djjaypower/jay-power-perch-mc-london-live-fm-2422015

I'm in London tomorrow night, what are the odds of there being a deep tech night on?

no one could help the man?

I saw that there was the Frequency - 3rd Anniversary at Warehouse LDN on Sat, but wasn't in town (also that one seemed like more of a mixed bag). Couldn't find anything else, but nevermind. I'll have to plan it properly and come back through another time.

motion on the 28th
ministry on the 21st
audiowhore like this week or next week

Nice, thanks! Motion looks possible. Anyway, I should just email next time rather than planning my clubbing through the board! ;)

Looks like Motion is on the 20th btw.

I am obsessed with how relentlessly percussive and shuddering these Jay Power sets are. On the one hand he can be quite diverse (love it when he drops Sami Sanchez's "Dirty Trumpet") but there's an underlying aesthetic consistency and vision and purpose, he has a very specific notion of what it is that these tracks are supposed to do.

Like this fractured KG3 track he plays:

https://soundcloud.com/kg3-carlitosway/kg3-dont-know

It's like the groove is shaking itself to pieces.

And this tune! Jamie De Von "Let Us Commit":

https://soundcloud.com/metronmusic/jamie-de-von-let-us-commit

circa 20 minutes in the latest jay power mix is some kind of peak

lets not rush to congratulate jay power while denigrating the work of guys like mark radford, b3 and more

I'm not!