yeah, nobody says trainers here. he might as well have said "everything is just flash jumpers and biscuit tins from fortnum and mason idk"
― scott seward, Monday, 12 January 2015 13:28 (nine years ago) link
i actually heard a classmate use the "punk is just kill your mother music" cliche in about 1979. wonder if it goes back to 1976/77. probably. i don't remember the first time i heard the "rap is just guns/money/bitches" thing though. a long time ago. i still hear it all the time. people hate rap so much.
― scott seward, Monday, 12 January 2015 13:34 (nine years ago) link
and country
― $80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 12 January 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link
Not sure that there's great multitudes of people out there with a visceral hatred of country music
― tsrobodo, Monday, 12 January 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link
there definitely are
― lex pretend, Monday, 12 January 2015 14:57 (nine years ago) link
there's a reason P4K refuses to ever review a Country album
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Monday, 12 January 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link
isn't "i like everything but rap and country" the ultimate cliché for ppl who fancy themselves open-minded listeners to say?
― lex pretend, Monday, 12 January 2015 15:05 (nine years ago) link
If we're talking about hatred of country music comparatively with rap across all demographics, it doesn't stack up.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 12 January 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
don't agree
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Monday, 12 January 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
rap is bigger so its haters will probably be more vocal whereas country haters can still get away with pretending it doesn't exist, but the (very similar) disdain is assuredly there if you even start to scratch the surface
― lex pretend, Monday, 12 January 2015 15:15 (nine years ago) link
lol come to Oregon sometime and we'll take a tour of some bars so you can see just how much country is played (tons) versus rap (zero)
― some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Monday, 12 January 2015 15:18 (nine years ago) link
This is, or at least was, true from my experience. I think it's a class thing - rap and country historically being the music of the poor.
― Rallsballs@onelist.com (stevie), Monday, 12 January 2015 15:23 (nine years ago) link
there are like 3 or 4 different radio stations that play country where i am. in western massachusetts. you can't hear rap at all.
― scott seward, Monday, 12 January 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link
that's another reason why many people hate Country so much--its unescapable-ness in rural areas
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Monday, 12 January 2015 15:29 (nine years ago) link
consistently people tell me how much they hate rap when they come in my store. i could play death metal in my store all day and some people might raise eyebrows but if i played rap all day people would leave. which is a good tactical device when i get those pesky baby boomers in my store.
― scott seward, Monday, 12 January 2015 15:29 (nine years ago) link
my stepdad always says he has never 'gotten' rap music, the point of it, the appeal, etc. he is kind of a racist tho so.
― #Research (stevie), Monday, 12 January 2015 15:31 (nine years ago) link
― lex pretend, Monday, January 12, 2015 3:15 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
You don't need to scratch anything to get a sense of how rap is detested. Large swathes of people think it is responsible for crime, poverty and moral degradation. Its reception is heavily informed by a legacy of racial hatred and contempt and is believed by many to be completely artless and require no talent. Nothing similar could be said about country music even in its heyday decades ago.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 12 January 2015 15:38 (nine years ago) link
That Country is not hated for the same reasons or by the same people doesn't mean that it isn't widely hated
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Monday, 12 January 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link
Country is pretty hated and hugely popular
― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 12 January 2015 15:47 (nine years ago) link
to a lot of people, especially in large coastal cities, Country represents the South, ignorance, racism, flyover state blandness, corniness, etc.
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Monday, 12 January 2015 15:48 (nine years ago) link
hmmm, maybe it's a toss-up. i do hear country hate too, but the rap hate seems more...hateful. like the idea of it is so terrible. like the geezer who said he felt like he was being aurally raped when i had rap on in the store one day. that visceral thing again...
― scott seward, Monday, 12 January 2015 16:26 (nine years ago) link
rap is bigger
waht lol
― Οὖτις, Monday, 12 January 2015 16:27 (nine years ago) link
not in America
there are places other than america
― lex pretend, Monday, 12 January 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link
i mean i hear rap-hate from non-white people too. it's divisive no matter how you slice it.
― scott seward, Monday, 12 January 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link
did you guys watch the premiere of Empire? is there a thread on ile? high hopes...
― scott seward, Monday, 12 January 2015 16:30 (nine years ago) link
rap hate seems to be an age thing too
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Monday, 12 January 2015 16:31 (nine years ago) link
perhaps relevant
― Οὖτις, Monday, 12 January 2015 16:34 (nine years ago) link
xxp i really enjoyed empire! it seems poised to be pretty ridiculous and melodramatic but it's very effective as such & I liked most of the music in the pilot
― i'm tellin you it was kenard (slothroprhymes), Monday, 12 January 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link
it's a cliche with every kind of listener but i hear again and again from people that rap was great 5/10/15/20 years ago and sucks now. basically it was great when that person was paying attention - high school or college - and then completely sucked forever more as soon as they stopped paying attention. i hear that with rap way more than any other genre.
― scott seward, Monday, 12 January 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
LEX, you should check out Empire if you get a chance. you might dig it.
― scott seward, Monday, 12 January 2015 16:43 (nine years ago) link
i started a thread. but probably nobody will care because everyone hates rap.
Empire - The Rap to Riches Answer to Nashville on Fox
― scott seward, Monday, 12 January 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link
i still haven't got round to nashville yet!
― lex pretend, Monday, 12 January 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link
oh man nashville is the best.
― scott seward, Monday, 12 January 2015 16:49 (nine years ago) link
i love the music on nashville. i really do.
so far empire hasn't hit a home run with the music, but it's okay so far. kinda time warp-y in a weird way. the musical identity hasn't been established like it is on nashville.
― scott seward, Monday, 12 January 2015 16:50 (nine years ago) link
i like everything on tv but Empire and Nashville
― $80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 12 January 2015 16:54 (nine years ago) link
i checked everything but the rocker panels
― $80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 12 January 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link
more like Empile and Trashville
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Monday, 12 January 2015 17:00 (nine years ago) link
― lex pretend, Monday, January 12, 2015 10:05 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
People who say this define all music by the 6 different radio station types they can think of.
― Evan, Monday, 12 January 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
there's a racial component in ppl's dislike of rap though that is a lot different than country
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 January 2015 17:19 (nine years ago) link
but i don't mean to impose on ILX pop country fans' well earned persecution complex
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 January 2015 17:20 (nine years ago) link
and there's a class component in ppl's dislike of country. intersectionality!
― lex pretend, Monday, 12 January 2015 17:40 (nine years ago) link
In the Midwest country is pretty default for upper middle/middle class suburban ppl like my sister/bro in law, to say that like Kenny Chesney or McGraw or Underwoods audience is perceived at lower class is wrong
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 January 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link
it's way more of an 80s springsteen audience now or a jimmy buffet audience
or just white middle class people pop audience
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 January 2015 18:10 (nine years ago) link
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, January 12, 2015 12:08 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ehh i think that an upper-middle class country fan perceives a bit of 'i'm one of the regular ppl' solidarity in country
― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 12 January 2015 18:11 (nine years ago) link
yeah of course but at the core that's republicanism too, wealthy ppl acting like they are trv middle class because they aren't fancy pants ppl
but like garth just played 11 nights in minneapolis and it was all people renting limos with groups of people to go and shit, going to nice restaurant before
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 January 2015 18:13 (nine years ago) link
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, January 12, 2015 1:10 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
tbf i do kind of think there is a generational thing going on. i grew up in a white midwestern upper class suburb, all the white kids i knew growing up were HUGE into hip hop. they loved classic gangsta rap and were really into the late 90s early 00s pop rap like diddy and ja rule. they are all republicans now, like their parents, and they are lawyers and bankers and shit but they still love rap and hate country.
― marcos, Monday, 12 January 2015 18:19 (nine years ago) link
yeah this is what i'm saying, dont confuse the fans for the artists
― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 12 January 2015 18:20 (nine years ago) link
i don't know much about charts and sales but for a brief time (late 90s early 00s) rap WAS pop music right? sold way more than other stuff? you guys know more about charts than i do though, but it did seem like all the most popular music when i was in high school - both among the people i grew up with and in a larger cultural sense on MTV and radio - was rap and rap & r&b crossover hits. so for a TON of all kind of people rap was basically the pop music they grew up on. it wasn't public enemy or wu-tang but it was rap
― marcos, Monday, 12 January 2015 18:22 (nine years ago) link