anecdotal evidence provided by this or that youtube doesn't mean much. seems to me that mainstream audiences had an appetite for explicitly political rap music in the 80s & 90s. with that in mind, maybe the frame shouldn't be "what happened to socially/politically concious rappers?" but "why don't people want to hear socially/politically conscious rap anymore?"
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:25 (nine years ago) link
it's really actually minimal from what i can tell, although i don't listen to him so could be wrong
this is the part where you should know to shut the fuck up
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:26 (nine years ago) link
http://calibermag.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/121017074949-voting-booth-story-top-copy.jpg
― hunangarage, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:26 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w8JxuXAlzM
― shmup....smug....shmub....shmug.... (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:27 (nine years ago) link
this might tie in to fact that hip hop now seen more as a career move than ever before. even in the 90s a lot of rappers didn't expect to get rich off it. so they could say what they wanted. it still wasn't mainstream so you had more freedom. now people aim at the lowest common denominator on what is going to get them most listens.
― ..but is he a virtuoso? (Raccoon Tanuki), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:27 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VInOrw9NHTI
actually why am i bothering
pfft we fought a war so that British racoons couldn't vote in America come on now
xp
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
might tie into Michael Franti trying to rhyme loophole with poophole.
― how's life, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
otm
But many and most of the ones on my list have little or no dealings with NOI or 5%ers directly
even this is wrong
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/34143703.jpg
― man alive, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:31 (nine years ago) link
this is the dumbest shit, worst British rap sock ever
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link
lol
― dyl, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link
― contenderizer, Wednesday, January 7, 2015 5:25 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
So much to contextualise in terms of audience, political atmosphere, scope, reach and everything else under the sun that even your reworked question reads as dense and unhelpful.
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:34 (nine years ago) link
Same old popists getting mad on the message boards!
― ..but is he a virtuoso? (Raccoon Tanuki), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:40 (nine years ago) link
I didn't hear anything in that Vince Staples thing, it was really bad also. And apparently he doesn't even have an album out. So who's next? I have no idea who "Dizzy Wright" is.
― ..but is he a virtuoso? (Raccoon Tanuki), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:41 (nine years ago) link
kanye, kendrick, underachievers, shabazz palaces, theesatisfaction, open mike eagle
― StillAdvance, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
What happened to politically conscious Canterbury folk?
― man alive, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link
Kanye is a funny one. I don't recall any 80s/90s rappers directly calling the president a racist on live, national TV.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
http://www.its-not-its.info/
― lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
haha you didn't hear anything in that vince staples one?? so you didn't listen or?
"Hands Up"North Division tryin' to stop my blacknessI'm watchin' for them badges when out in trafficThem 9-11's been a tad bit franticIf lights start flashin', please don't panicThe DEA givin' out gang enhancementsCan barely even hang to build a case off camerasCCAT trackin' criminal patternsTrickin' niggas into takin' strikes to get out fasterFreedom bribery nigga, cause we hardly acquitSocial media that leave the flash photography snitchin'Blame geography nigga, for the pride in these niggasTake you when they fingerprint you, now you part of the systemThis was all a part of Huey P. and Bobby predictionMakin' profit off of violence, they arousin' attentionLeaders risin' lead to twenty-five to life in the prisonBetter watch it cause I know they got a spot for you nigga[Hook 2X:]Yeah, put your hands in the airPut your hands in the airPut your hands in the airNigga freeze, put your hands in the airDeangelo Lopez and Tyler WoodsJust a couple they gunned down around the hoodI guess the pigs split wigs for the greater goodCause I ain't seen them lock a swine up yetAt the most they reassign 'em to prevent protestJust your color is enough to get you under arrestStrong hand to the law got me feelin' oppressedIf you flippin', kill a fifty, then you get in a chairPayin' taxes for some fuckin' clowns to ride aroundWhoopin' niggas asses, scared to man upHandcuffs givin' niggas gashes on the wristI used to lift my fist to fight the power withOlder homie told me in his day the pigs was plantin' bricksIn the trunks of nigga's Chevrolets them traffic stops and shitRaidin' homes without a warrantShoot him first without a warningAnd they expect respect and non-violenceI refuse the right to be silent
North Division tryin' to stop my blacknessI'm watchin' for them badges when out in trafficThem 9-11's been a tad bit franticIf lights start flashin', please don't panicThe DEA givin' out gang enhancementsCan barely even hang to build a case off camerasCCAT trackin' criminal patternsTrickin' niggas into takin' strikes to get out fasterFreedom bribery nigga, cause we hardly acquitSocial media that leave the flash photography snitchin'Blame geography nigga, for the pride in these niggasTake you when they fingerprint you, now you part of the systemThis was all a part of Huey P. and Bobby predictionMakin' profit off of violence, they arousin' attentionLeaders risin' lead to twenty-five to life in the prisonBetter watch it cause I know they got a spot for you nigga
[Hook 2X:]Yeah, put your hands in the airPut your hands in the airPut your hands in the airNigga freeze, put your hands in the air
Deangelo Lopez and Tyler WoodsJust a couple they gunned down around the hoodI guess the pigs split wigs for the greater goodCause I ain't seen them lock a swine up yetAt the most they reassign 'em to prevent protestJust your color is enough to get you under arrestStrong hand to the law got me feelin' oppressedIf you flippin', kill a fifty, then you get in a chairPayin' taxes for some fuckin' clowns to ride aroundWhoopin' niggas asses, scared to man upHandcuffs givin' niggas gashes on the wristI used to lift my fist to fight the power withOlder homie told me in his day the pigs was plantin' bricksIn the trunks of nigga's Chevrolets them traffic stops and shitRaidin' homes without a warrantShoot him first without a warningAnd they expect respect and non-violenceI refuse the right to be silent
― Spottie, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:47 (nine years ago) link
just another song about bitchez and shoes and weed
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, January 7, 2015 9:34 AM (3 minutes ago)
fine, and i can see how RT's approach tanked any chance for useful discussion from the beginning. that's a shame, because a genuine conversation about changes in the space for politics in pop over the last 25 years might be interesting.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
Shabazz Palaces? Butterfly is like 45. Kanye is pushing 40. people still struggling to comprehend in the last decade thing.
― ..but is he a virtuoso? (Raccoon Tanuki), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:55 (nine years ago) link
music industry is so much broader/diffuse now, of course there's space for politics. whether it occupies top 40 pop space (which has shrunk as a percentage of the industry) fluctuates, as it always has.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:56 (nine years ago) link
hurricane katrina was 2005 jackass
again, why do I bother
XXXP - Plenty of under-40s have been listed too, you stupid obtuse fuck
― Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:58 (nine years ago) link
All we wanted was a chance to talk'Stead we've only got outlined in chalkBy Raccoon Tanuki
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:00 (nine years ago) link
Haha
RT, why even ask this question if you're not gonna give an inch with your own answer?
― Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link
you haven't met, i take it
― Gombeen Dance Band (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:04 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YTusMMJCGU
― man alive, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:06 (nine years ago) link
wasnt college dropout released in 2004? FFS, kanye isnt 'new' enough?
― StillAdvance, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:06 (nine years ago) link
you stupid obtuse fuck
― Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs)
shut the fuck up
― Οὖτις,
You seem like a nice, intelligent, well thought out guys.
― ..but is he a virtuoso? (Raccoon Tanuki), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:06 (nine years ago) link
i mean, who cares how old he is. seriously. rap ageism is self defeating.
― StillAdvance, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link
― ..but is he a virtuoso? (Raccoon Tanuki), Wednesday, January 7, 2015 12:40 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yea and this thread is proceeding exactly like the last one about poptimism. you're repeating your opinion to death and you respond to anyone's attempt to engage in discussion or give a counter-argument with "NOPE, SORRY!!!!"
― marcos, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link
"What happened to socially/politically concious rappers?""Here are some names and YouTube links""No! They are all too old/too bad/I haven't heard them""Great discussion, thanx"
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link
it's true I am very well thought out
xxp
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:09 (nine years ago) link
as a sock you are also p well thought out tbh
― marcos,
When? You're just making this up.
The first reply to thread was "You are a confused young man". Then someone said the list was wrong. Then someone said i was English, then a lot of people dodged the question, and still are.
― ..but is he a virtuoso? (Raccoon Tanuki), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:13 (nine years ago) link
It's just so bizarre to me that someone would start a discussion and then immediately, obstinately (smugly?) refuse to engage - and do this over and over again. It's totally standard internet trolling behavior, I know, I just don't get the psychology of it.
― Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:17 (nine years ago) link
Raccoon Tenacity
― man alive, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:17 (nine years ago) link
xp - but that's exactly what you are all doing, not me. I'm asking a question that no one seems to want to answer or acknowledge as being relevent. All you do is say SOCK SOCK ignore the SOCK, tell me to fuck off, and then get mad, over and over again.
― ..but is he a virtuoso? (Raccoon Tanuki), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link
the first post you made int he thread was "you stupid fuck" and you're telling me this? I think you have some issues.
― ..but is he a virtuoso? (Raccoon Tanuki), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:20 (nine years ago) link
Except that I gave you reasons and examples, as did other people, and you just refused to accept them so we all decided this was a waste of time. Not mad, just bored with someone who won't listen.
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:20 (nine years ago) link
No you are mad, I didn't agree with whatever suggestions were made, in fact I've only had a few artists given who would even loosely qualify. All of them I've commented on. Not a single person has engaged in the debate as to why it has changed, another poster came in to say everyone was dodging my point, and you all shouted him down too.
― ..but is he a virtuoso? (Raccoon Tanuki), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:25 (nine years ago) link
RT, lots of people have respectfully engaged with your question, one way or another. Good evidence has been presented that political concerns are still strongly present in contemporary rap. But you're ignoring all that. You post only to dismiss or confront, never to actually converse. As a result, no surprise, your thread is fucked.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:26 (nine years ago) link
You're arguing the wrong point, the question of the relative lack of political rappers isn't even up for debate, my question was why.
― ..but is he a virtuoso? (Raccoon Tanuki), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:26 (nine years ago) link
"Good evidence has been presented that political concerns are still strongly present in contemporary rap"
Where? This is just bullshit. No one outside this board would say this.
^^ ya this is like, really bad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRl8EIhrQjQ
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 19 January 2015 03:42 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTYcVdZjSJs
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 18:39 (nine years ago) link
https://twitter.com/noz/status/556740184717287425
well yes
― grant holt (prettylikealaindelon), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link
RT where do you live in the UK?
― out here like a flopson (tpp), Thursday, January 8, 2015 1:21 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Realhiphopshire
― Οὖτις, Thursday, January 8, 2015 1:21 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 05:27 (seven years ago) link
this thread still makes me laugh uncontrollably and I practically have it memorized by now
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 05:28 (seven years ago) link
I hear there are certain neighborhoods in Realhiphopshire that are now No-Go Zones for herbs
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 11:55 (seven years ago) link
one year passes...RT where do you live in the UK?
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, June 28, 2016 1:27 AM bookmarkflaglink
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― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 19 March 2020 10:37 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxCr2bAhwCU
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