So who ARE that insufferable indie couple in the new Hyundai TV ads?

How much do you reckon it would cost us for them to stop making videos?

Ha, are you going to start a patreonkickstarter campaign?

Most amazing thing about the Poomplamoose tour breakdown thing is that I've learned there are people who would actually pay to see Poomplamoose.

kickstopper

We built the tour budget ourselves and modeled projected revenue against expenses. Neither of us had experience with financial modeling, so we just did the best we could.

also you are apparently founder of like some well funded startup are you kidding me with this aw shucks what are all these numbers how does dollar work

Yeah it really reads like he thought it was ok to put no thought whatsoever into what made financial sense on tour (bc you know, it's an investment in future tours!). He sounds like one of those people taking out a giant HELOC to put in a new open plan kitchen with viking range and wine fridge in a middle class neighborhood, or buying a $2000 suit for job interviews. Which would just seem dumb, except the whole Patreon thing makes it actually seem disingenuous. It's like their business model depends on making sure people don't think they're making a lot of money.

to be clear, i think that whole piece is a fig leaf of the amanda palmer variety to maintain a public persona of "WE CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT YOU"
one of the big problems with the "our fans will support us" model is that when you start showing up in hyundai commercials, your fans start saying "oh, i guess they're paid; my six dollar a month patreon donation doesn't matter" which leads promptly to public television cries of "we haven't MADE IT we're MAKING IT... with your help"

I'm going to pay 1000 people $5 to watch me pay guitar for 3 mins at the fillmore and then be all like, "yeah, I sold 1000 seats at the fillmore at $30 a ticket, but I had $35,000 of overhead". I'm still making it you could say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtvaTdc_qIc

after getting very depressed reading many Ferguson-related things before bed last night, this made me laugh. thank you for that pomplamooses.

it all does correspond to the startup "burn rate" mentality.

speaking of which burn rate is the perfect name for the inevitable silicon valley techno-thriller

Just realized that Jack Conte is the FOUNDER of that Patreon site. Sorry if that was posted upthread and I missed it. So he gets a cut of every other campaign that's on the website. Yeah, he's really hurting for dough, send him your $$$$.

I wonder if he repurposes the cut he gets from donations direct to him and/or Nataly?

I wonder why he would lie about his bearded millions

his maxxinista of the month award

his goalrilla basketball hoop that is the nicest in the neighborhood

fwiw every touring act i know who has successfully leveled up from the 500ish capacity rooms pomplamoose was apparently selling out on this tour to 1000-2000 capacity rooms had to do money-losing tours in order to do it

a lot of bands operating at their level who can do so successfully are either major label baby bands who get tour support or canadian indie acts who can get arts grants to tour the US

not to get into a whole thing about it but of all the aspects of this band's career that can be called out as ridiculous i personally don't think those tour expenses are all that weird for a band at their level doing what they're trying to do

they are trying pomp the moose

holy shit, that woman in the Maps video can sing. and that is all that I will say about her here in this public forum ... yup ... that's all.

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she has a cover of one of my favorite later Prince songs on the R&B charts right now, pretty legit imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhbS3BFtXDk

Patreon was founded in May 2013 by artist Jack Conte, who was looking for a way to make a living from his popular YouTube videos. Together with Sam Yam he developed a platform that allows patrons to donate a set amount of money every time an artist creates a work of art. The company raised $2.1 million in August 2013 from a group of venture capitalists and angel investors. In June 2014 the company raised a further $15 million in a series A round led by Danny Rimer of Index Ventures.

In late 2014, the website announced that patrons were sending over $1 million per month to the site's content creators.Patreon takes a 5% commission on pledges.

SAM YAM? Even his business partners are tweely monikered!

lefsetz goes in:

http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2014/11/26/pomplamoose-blog/

Maybe this is as big as Pomplamoose gets. Maybe the act has already peaked. Like PSY but on a smaller level.

He's missing the point that Conte's post is not primarily about touring or bands or anything. It's another one of their endless pitches for the fanbase to keep sending them cash - the blog post itself is a product of the new music business reality that Lefsetz is always going on about. Pomplamoose are like cult leaders always asking their flock for donations to fix the church roof all the while stuffing wads of cash into their cassocks.

^^ otm. this is a televangelism tactic.

Yeah god why didn't I think of that televangalist comparison but the whole Amanda Palmer think is so much more comparable to Jimmy & Tammy Faye Baker than anything in the music sphere

It's the eye makeup

like seriously, just put an OREOS banner behind this setlist, that will cover expenses i'm sure

this will detract from their core message of getting that body back

it all does correspond to the startup "burn rate" mentality

qft

good lord...

Lefsetz wrote something:
http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2014/11/26/pomplamoose-blog/

(he also published some of his reader responses, but I don't know how to link to those)

some other person wrote something:
https://www.aux.tv/2014/12/sob-story-from-band-that-lost-11000-was-actually-a-marketing-stunt/

a guy from Old Man Gloom chimes in:
http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/574-op-ed/

and now, Jack responds and uses the word "haters"!
https://medium.com/@jackconte/bob-lefsetz-published-accusations-about-my-integrity-4a6d03bb099d

Pitchfork article seems more on point than this Lefsetz guy (should I know who he is?). Especially about LIGHTS.

Also the end of Jack's response is a cover, how apropos.

Well here's what $150,000 bought them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty9Smrs67s8

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lol oh wait sorry, that video is from 2011 nm!

Sorry, THIS is what $150,000 bought them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4TQELiFQJw

God, watching them play makes me never want to play music in front of other people. Like, what if I was playing a show and accidentally came out looking/sounding like that without realizing it.

I find Jack especially painful to watch, it's like he has neither a sincere nor a sinister bone in his body, like a pod person who only learned to imitate zaniness.

^^this

oof thats so otm i'm cringing

mark teo piece (aux.tv) is pretty good. i've had non-muso people send it to me. backlash!

was always way disappointed to see james fallows of all people pimping the 'moose back when

"Then again, the internet is more interesting than most music you make."

lefsetz... otm?

lmao the loudest male fan voice screaming at the beginning of that live bit reminds me of something

I'm never going to a show ever agian

this:

http://youtu.be/mw8V40uE82c?t=1m

if ben folds is nirvana, he's puddle of mudd

Here is an interview published in USA Today, in which I explain that I’m still not taking a salary as CEO even after our $15 million round in venture financing, but rather I’m living off of my income as an artist.

how noble

"I'd have all these views, but at the end of the month I'd check my ad revenue (off his YouTube channel) and I'd get a check for like $6, or $10," says Conte, 30.

speaking of disseminating false information