my trolling is the realest, others have to plot their shit out but I just go jedi-style
― Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Friday, 13 March 2009 19:52 (fifteen years ago) link
patty smyth vs.the jets
― buzza, Friday, 13 March 2009 19:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Musicpix: In the early 80’s, you rode the wave of the pioneering Patti Smith, Blondie, and obviously your own success with The Runaways. Smith and Harry had the same challenges you had as far as being women in rock. I know that you had an alliance with Blondie, but what about Patti Smith or other women who were also trying to break that sexual barrier…was it a ‘ladies bathroom topic’ so to speak?
Joan: No. I probably met Patti Smith once early on. There wasn’t any kind of discussion going on. I had met Chrissie (Hynde/The Pretenders) a few times too but we didn’t sit down and formulate an attack plan or discuss music in women or any of that stuff. Certainly, the way I felt was, we’re just girls who play rock and roll. We were trying to not make a big deal of that. We knew we where that and you can’t get away from that but we didn’t want to push that. Yeah, we’re girls playing guitars and we’re musicians. That was the attack that those women were taking too in that they were artists but they were women first.
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, 13 March 2009 19:54 (fifteen years ago) link
patti smith vs. patty smyth vs. a grizzly bear
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, 13 March 2009 19:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Scandal vs Quarterflash
― making some posts (james k polk), Friday, 13 March 2009 19:58 (fifteen years ago) link
why not lora logic, poly styrene, lene lovich, debbie harry (much more interesting comparison to jj imo), alice bag, deborah iyall
more liek why not WHO?, WHO?, WHO?, debbie harry (much more interesting comparison to jj imo), WHO?, WHO?
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Friday, 13 March 2009 20:50 (fifteen years ago) link
it's not my fault that you don't know anything
― Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Friday, 13 March 2009 20:52 (fifteen years ago) link
I agree with Momus's on Patti Smith, which I posted on 'best music review thread ever' last week:
To be honest, Patti Smith's music is complete anathema to me. Caterwauling pretentiously over bluesy thrashes about a world in which artists = "niggers" = outsiders = freedom = Rimbaud = the Noble Savage and "there's a million membranes to break through"... Quite frankly, for me, there's more wisdom in an episode of The Mary Tyler Moore Show. MTM also never incited anyone to do atrociously rousing 20-minute cover versions of Gloria, or taught U2 and Sinead O'Connor politics.
I can't believe anyone takes Patti Smith at all seriously.
― Bob Six, Friday, 13 March 2009 21:06 (fifteen years ago) link
And from the 'rank anything you feel like ranking' thread, the ranking of top five reasons why I don't like Patti Smith based on the Please Kill Me book:
1. Penny Arcade: "Then I started to black out, so I left. I was going down in the elevator with Patti. I was losing it, and Patti kept saying to me, 'Do I look like Keith Richards?', 'How does my hair look? Does it look like Keith Richards' ?'"
2. Terry Ork: "Patti would always kiss someone and then look at you to make sure you'd noticed, almost as if she were acting out a sort of nineteen-twenties Paris kind of bohemian. She was very self-conscious about living as if she were onstage and about being a starfucker."
3. Gerard Malanga: "I was a little pissed off at Patti because when the book came out she thanked Anita Pallenberg, who she didn't even know, Bobby Neuwith and somebody else."
"I went out of my way to twist a few arms and get her work known and then she just turns around and thanks Bobby Neuwith....What did she get out of Bobby Neuwith? Maybe she got to meet Dylan. I thought it was a bit of brownnosing."
4. Danny Fields: "She and Robert used to come to Max's [Kansas City] every night, stand in the doorway and stare at all the chic people and wish they would be invited to sit down or to hang out with them."
5. Ed Friedman: "One time she told me, "Allen Ginsberg thought I was a cute boy and tried to pick me up, so I said 'LOOK AT THE TITS ALLEN! NOTICE THE TITS'"
― Bob Six, Friday, 13 March 2009 21:12 (fifteen years ago) link
she sounds pretty awesome in those quotes!
― The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 March 2009 21:20 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah that Ginsberg one is awesome
― Mr. Que, Friday, 13 March 2009 21:21 (fifteen years ago) link
LOOK AT THE TITS ALLEN! NOTICE THE TITS'"
lolz yeah I'm sorry but that is hilarious
x-post
― One of the Most High Profile Comedy Directors of the 90s (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 13 March 2009 21:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah - but it kind of emphasises her lecturing hectoring humorless-side.
― Bob Six, Friday, 13 March 2009 21:25 (fifteen years ago) link
No, it doesn't: it shows how she's batshit crazy and awesome.
― The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 March 2009 21:28 (fifteen years ago) link
if allen ginsberg tried to pick me up i'd be just as humorless
― Mr. Que, Friday, 13 March 2009 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link
look, I didn't come here to debate Patti Smith's tits.
― Bob Six, Friday, 13 March 2009 21:30 (fifteen years ago) link
all of those reasons above i think are reasons to LIKE patti smith
― Mr. Que, Friday, 13 March 2009 21:32 (fifteen years ago) link
I hope Allen responded by pointing at his own man-boobs
― One of the Most High Profile Comedy Directors of the 90s (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 13 March 2009 21:34 (fifteen years ago) link
new ilm board description plz
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, 13 March 2009 21:42 (fifteen years ago) link
lecturing hectoring humorless
all qualities that are underpraised, the idea that these are The Things We've All Decided Are Bad is part of what's making the world boring
― Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Friday, 13 March 2009 21:43 (fifteen years ago) link
I mean, lecturing & hectoring and two of the #1 reasons why Lou Reed is superior to David Bowie
^^okay now who's being challopsy
― One of the Most High Profile Comedy Directors of the 90s (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 13 March 2009 21:47 (fifteen years ago) link
LOL me
― Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Friday, 13 March 2009 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link
(fwiw the "who is better, lou reed or david bowie" argument was pretty much an every weeknight thing for me & my teenage friends ca. 1982-83 til Bowie released "Let's Dance" and I was like "you guys suck, this is garbage, I win")
― Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Friday, 13 March 2009 21:49 (fifteen years ago) link
also why tuomas got sb'd iirc
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, 13 March 2009 21:52 (fifteen years ago) link
you better check that sausage before you put it in the waffle J0hn
― One of the Most High Profile Comedy Directors of the 90s (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 13 March 2009 21:52 (fifteen years ago) link
"Just the facts, ma'am."
And yeah, Bob Six's quotes confirm exactly my worst suspicions about her.
― I Harbour Multitudes (Bimble), Friday, 13 March 2009 21:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh, bless her heart. Admit it, you know she will have something interesting to say. Nothing against Joan Jett, but I don't think people care about her opinion as much.
― u s steel, Friday, 13 March 2009 21:56 (fifteen years ago) link
this is why btw when Alfred comes reppin New Sensations & Legendary Hearths I remember being very relieved that we weren't having this argument, my friends and I, at that time, because Bowie at least had "Blue Jean" to his credit at that point whereas Lou has "Original" fucking "Rapper"
― Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Friday, 13 March 2009 21:59 (fifteen years ago) link
and Bowie had "Day-In Day Out"!
― The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 March 2009 22:12 (fifteen years ago) link
i've had the lou vs. bowie debate before w/friends.
it's tough.
a friend made the sorta convincing argument that lou reed is just way more fascinating as a person and that even his failures are sort of all out genuine crazy person failures not like bowie who sort of flits about with the fashion of the day.
but i like both of their music a lot.
lou is probably more "important" cuz of velvet underground.
― brother marquis (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 13 March 2009 22:20 (fifteen years ago) link
tried to vote for lou reed in this poll, but I can't ...
― tylerw, Friday, 13 March 2009 22:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Another tough choice that no one will ever remember making
― kenan, Friday, 13 March 2009 22:25 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm having a Bowie day, incidentally. I'm on my fourth album.
― kenan, Friday, 13 March 2009 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link
― The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 March 2009 22:35 (fifteen years ago) link
That too.
― kenan, Friday, 13 March 2009 22:43 (fifteen years ago) link
god help me momus otm
― butt-rock miyagi (rogermexico.), Friday, 13 March 2009 22:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Dakota Fanning ... Cheri Currie hahahaha waht― One of the Most High Profile Comedy Directors of the 90s (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 13 March 2009 18:45 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
hahahaha waht
― One of the Most High Profile Comedy Directors of the 90s (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 13 March 2009 18:45 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
hahahaha why not?
(I know it was ages ago...)
― Mark G, Saturday, 14 March 2009 00:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Same here.
BTW, everyone on this thread is RONG. Genya Ravan should be the winner here.
― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 14 March 2009 00:51 (fifteen years ago) link
none of this bothers me. I'm certain dylan, reed, madonna, and a whole bunch of other talented people were hyperirritating, starfucking little twats during their early NYC careers.
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Saturday, 14 March 2009 01:51 (fifteen years ago) link
momus vs. patti smith
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Saturday, 14 March 2009 01:52 (fifteen years ago) link
xp There's solid and well-known video evidence in Dylan's case.
― kenan, Saturday, 14 March 2009 01:53 (fifteen years ago) link
And as for Madonna... well, really now.
― kenan, Saturday, 14 March 2009 01:54 (fifteen years ago) link
And Lou Reed, from all accounts I have read, is quite a penis.
― kenan, Saturday, 14 March 2009 02:03 (fifteen years ago) link
like, this sized penis:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i191/fluxion23/transformer7sg.png
― kenan, Saturday, 14 March 2009 02:05 (fifteen years ago) link
It's honestly hard for me to watch Don't Look Back, because that's not at all the Dylan I love. I may in fact be the Dylan I hate. What a cock-choking little shit.
But I guess it doesn't need to be said that if you listen to the records, it's peak Dylan.
― kenan, Saturday, 14 March 2009 02:20 (fifteen years ago) link
OK - for me with Patti there's something else, beyond these qualities you mention.
It's the incongruity behind the general image of 'poetess', 'visionary', 'role model' , details such as
- 'in 2005, Smith was named a Commander of the Ordre des Arts et des Lettres by the French Ministry of Culture. - 'At the 2008 Rowan Commencement ceremony, Smith received an honorary doctorate degree for her contributions to popular culture'
and comparing this with the content of what she says, such as the whole vacuous content of the Swedish youtube interview above.
Q. What does freedom mean to you?
...I'm outside of society. Rock and roll is my art. I'm a n%gger of the universe, and I'm free because I can leap up and scream, I can put my fist up in the air, I don't give a shit....
And later on towards the end (of part 1):
"We went to the moon - big deal! We went to Mars - big deal! We keep moving and moving and moving. You know Mohammed went through seven heavens? Big deal! I want to see the eight heaven, tenth heaven, thousandth heaven...."
I don't demand my favourite musicians are intellectuals. Many of the best aren't, such as the Ramones (sorry to single you out guys). But where they do aspire to or claim visionary, poetess, revolutionary role model status....
― Bob Six, Saturday, 14 March 2009 09:02 (fifteen years ago) link
- 'in 2005, Smith was named a Commander of the Ordre des Arts et des Lettres by the French Ministry of Culture.- 'At the 2008 Rowan Commencement ceremony, Smith received an honorary doctorate degree for her contributions to popular culture'
so the fuck what? What does have to do with her? For all I know, I'll receive an honorary degree in Being a Dick on ILX.
― kenan, Saturday, 14 March 2009 09:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Also you're taking that statements in context relative to you, not relative to her time and place and age.
― kenan, Saturday, 14 March 2009 09:10 (fifteen years ago) link
where they do aspire to or claim visionary, poetess, revolutionary role model status....
Your words, every one.
― kenan, Saturday, 14 March 2009 09:11 (fifteen years ago) link