Women in Rock: Patti Smith vs Joan Jett

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I saw Patti Smith several years ago right after I had lost my job. Sitting alone at the bar not wanting to meet anybody because they might ask me what I did for a living. It was an emotional show.

I didn't get to see Joan Jett when I was a kid and she played AstroWorld because I was there with my church group and they made us leave before her concert started. I road on the big round water rapids ride with her and her band though. Or maybe it was her biggest fans pretending to be her, I'll never know for sure.

more important, is both of these artists matter to my life from their records. "Pissing in a River" "I Got No Answers"

a++ trolling jd it is a rare swoop to catch eddy, shakey & banriquit all @ once

how about joan jett vs. lou reed

patti smith vs. tom verlaine

a++ trolling jd it is a rare swoop to catch eddy, shakey & banriquit all @ once

I wish I were trolling, I am just the asshole I seem to be :(

my trolling is the realest, others have to plot their shit out but I just go jedi-style

patty smyth vs.the jets

Musicpix: In the early 80’s, you rode the wave of the pioneering Patti Smith, Blondie, and obviously your own success with The Runaways. Smith and Harry had the same challenges you had as far as being women in rock. I know that you had an alliance with Blondie, but what about Patti Smith or other women who were also trying to break that sexual barrier…was it a ‘ladies bathroom topic’ so to speak?

Joan: No. I probably met Patti Smith once early on. There wasn’t any kind of discussion going on. I had met Chrissie (Hynde/The Pretenders) a few times too but we didn’t sit down and formulate an attack plan or discuss music in women or any of that stuff. Certainly, the way I felt was, we’re just girls who play rock and roll. We were trying to not make a big deal of that. We knew we where that and you can’t get away from that but we didn’t want to push that. Yeah, we’re girls playing guitars and we’re musicians. That was the attack that those women were taking too in that they were artists but they were women first.

patti smith vs. patty smyth vs. a grizzly bear

Scandal vs Quarterflash

why not lora logic, poly styrene, lene lovich, debbie harry (much more interesting comparison to jj imo), alice bag, deborah iyall

more liek why not WHO?, WHO?, WHO?, debbie harry (much more interesting comparison to jj imo), WHO?, WHO?

it's not my fault that you don't know anything

I agree with Momus's on Patti Smith, which I posted on 'best music review thread ever' last week:

To be honest, Patti Smith's music is complete anathema to me. Caterwauling pretentiously over bluesy thrashes about a world in which artists = "niggers" = outsiders = freedom = Rimbaud = the Noble Savage and "there's a million membranes to break through"... Quite frankly, for me, there's more wisdom in an episode of The Mary Tyler Moore Show. MTM also never incited anyone to do atrociously rousing 20-minute cover versions of Gloria, or taught U2 and Sinead O'Connor politics.

I can't believe anyone takes Patti Smith at all seriously.

And from the 'rank anything you feel like ranking' thread, the ranking of top five reasons why I don't like Patti Smith based on the Please Kill Me book:

1. Penny Arcade: "Then I started to black out, so I left. I was going down in the elevator with Patti. I was losing it, and Patti kept saying to me, 'Do I look like Keith Richards?', 'How does my hair look? Does it look like Keith Richards' ?'"

2. Terry Ork: "Patti would always kiss someone and then look at you to make sure you'd noticed, almost as if she were acting out a sort of nineteen-twenties Paris kind of bohemian. She was very self-conscious about living as if she were onstage and about being a starfucker."

3. Gerard Malanga: "I was a little pissed off at Patti because when the book came out she thanked Anita Pallenberg, who she didn't even know, Bobby Neuwith and somebody else."

"I went out of my way to twist a few arms and get her work known and then she just turns around and thanks Bobby Neuwith....What did she get out of Bobby Neuwith? Maybe she got to meet Dylan. I thought it was a bit of brownnosing."

4. Danny Fields: "She and Robert used to come to Max's [Kansas City] every night, stand in the doorway and stare at all the chic people and wish they would be invited to sit down or to hang out with them."

5. Ed Friedman: "One time she told me, "Allen Ginsberg thought I was a cute boy and tried to pick me up, so I said 'LOOK AT THE TITS ALLEN! NOTICE THE TITS'"

she sounds pretty awesome in those quotes!

yeah that Ginsberg one is awesome

LOOK AT THE TITS ALLEN! NOTICE THE TITS'"

lolz yeah I'm sorry but that is hilarious

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Yeah - but it kind of emphasises her lecturing hectoring humorless-side.

No, it doesn't: it shows how she's batshit crazy and awesome.

if allen ginsberg tried to pick me up i'd be just as humorless

look, I didn't come here to debate Patti Smith's tits.

all of those reasons above i think are reasons to LIKE patti smith

I hope Allen responded by pointing at his own man-boobs

look, I didn't come here to debate Patti Smith's tits.

new ilm board description plz

lecturing hectoring humorless

all qualities that are underpraised, the idea that these are The Things We've All Decided Are Bad is part of what's making the world boring

I mean, lecturing & hectoring and two of the #1 reasons why Lou Reed is superior to David Bowie

^^okay now who's being challopsy

LOL me

(fwiw the "who is better, lou reed or david bowie" argument was pretty much an every weeknight thing for me & my teenage friends ca. 1982-83 til Bowie released "Let's Dance" and I was like "you guys suck, this is garbage, I win")

I mean, lecturing & hectoring and two of the #1 reasons why Lou Reed is superior to David Bowie

also why tuomas got sb'd iirc

you better check that sausage before you put it in the waffle J0hn

look, I didn't come here to debate Patti Smith's tits.

"Just the facts, ma'am."

And yeah, Bob Six's quotes confirm exactly my worst suspicions about her.

I agree with Momus's on Patti Smith, which I posted on 'best music review thread ever' last week:

To be honest, Patti Smith's music is complete anathema to me. Caterwauling pretentiously over bluesy thrashes about a world in which artists = "niggers" = outsiders = freedom = Rimbaud = the Noble Savage and "there's a million membranes to break through"... Quite frankly, for me, there's more wisdom in an episode of The Mary Tyler Moore Show. MTM also never incited anyone to do atrociously rousing 20-minute cover versions of Gloria, or taught U2 and Sinead O'Connor politics.

I can't believe anyone takes Patti Smith at all seriously.

Oh, bless her heart. Admit it, you know she will have something interesting to say. Nothing against Joan Jett, but I don't think
people care about her opinion as much.

you better check that sausage before you put it in the waffle J0hn

this is why btw when Alfred comes reppin New Sensations & Legendary Hearths I remember being very relieved that we weren't having this argument, my friends and I, at that time, because Bowie at least had "Blue Jean" to his credit at that point whereas Lou has "Original" fucking "Rapper"

and Bowie had "Day-In Day Out"!

i've had the lou vs. bowie debate before w/friends.

it's tough.

a friend made the sorta convincing argument that lou reed is just way more fascinating as a person and that even his failures are sort of all out genuine crazy person failures not like bowie who sort of flits about with the fashion of the day.

but i like both of their music a lot.

lou is probably more "important" cuz of velvet underground.

tried to vote for lou reed in this poll, but I can't ...

Another tough choice that no one will ever remember making

I'm having a Bowie day, incidentally. I'm on my fourth album.

That too.

god help me momus otm

Dakota Fanning ... Cheri Currie

hahahaha waht

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hahahaha why not?

(I know it was ages ago...)

god help me momus otm

Same here.

BTW, everyone on this thread is RONG. Genya Ravan should be the winner here.

And from the 'rank anything you feel like ranking' thread, the ranking of top five reasons why I don't like Patti Smith based on the Please Kill Me book:

1. Penny Arcade: "Then I started to black out, so I left. I was going down in the elevator with Patti. I was losing it, and Patti kept saying to me, 'Do I look like Keith Richards?', 'How does my hair look? Does it look like Keith Richards' ?'"

2. Terry Ork: "Patti would always kiss someone and then look at you to make sure you'd noticed, almost as if she were acting out a sort of nineteen-twenties Paris kind of bohemian. She was very self-conscious about living as if she were onstage and about being a starfucker."

3. Gerard Malanga: "I was a little pissed off at Patti because when the book came out she thanked Anita Pallenberg, who she didn't even know, Bobby Neuwith and somebody else."

"I went out of my way to twist a few arms and get her work known and then she just turns around and thanks Bobby Neuwith....What did she get out of Bobby Neuwith? Maybe she got to meet Dylan. I thought it was a bit of brownnosing."

4. Danny Fields: "She and Robert used to come to Max's [Kansas City] every night, stand in the doorway and stare at all the chic people and wish they would be invited to sit down or to hang out with them."

5. Ed Friedman: "One time she told me, "Allen Ginsberg thought I was a cute boy and tried to pick me up, so I said 'LOOK AT THE TITS ALLEN! NOTICE THE TITS'"

none of this bothers me. I'm certain dylan, reed, madonna, and a whole bunch of other talented people were hyperirritating, starfucking little twats during their early NYC careers.

momus vs. patti smith

xp There's solid and well-known video evidence in Dylan's case.

And as for Madonna... well, really now.