Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

That's a bit rich, Sterling.

Heaven forbid some people think "DAVE" is shit! They obviously haven't heard him, or or or are jealous, or or or are arrogant and mean, they couldn't possibly just think his music is total fucking wank, oh no, there must be some outrageous ulterior motive, maybe a big corporation or nike shoes or george w or a foetus or heres whatever yeah dave matthews band rocks.

I'm sure I've said this here before, but whatever. Any zealous declarations of fandom (i.e. "Killing Joke Uber Alles!" or "DMB RULES!") will immediately render any opinion you could submit moot, as you're subtracted any semblance of objectivity from your argument. Moreover, statements like "DMB play REAL music and you're just jealous" is as effective an approach as "my Dad can beat up YOUR Dad!" It's pointless and devoid of any real merit in the course of a debate.

Yes, taste is indeed all relative, but you still have to be able to back up your arguments with more than that. Convince me that you've listened to a myriad other artists and still come back to DMB and you'll be waging a stronger campaign to win me over.

A rare occasion when I would urge you to listen to Bono, Dee.

*bongo solo*

You seems to be hedging your bets. Which is it: do the drums kick? or is it unnecessary for them to do so?
I still think you're misunderstanding me--I'm speaking purely from a engineering/producing perspective. And it's not just the drums; everything seems so tame. There's no sonic distinctiveness to anything. Again, there's nothing inherently wrong w/that, it's just not my--and I'm guessing many others'--cup of tea.

Millar OTM

And should bands be liked by everybody? I dont see how. Bands should be an acquired taste. They shouldnt be like Coca Cola where its marketed for everyone to like. I find the appeal of DMB is that its not marketed like that, it is out of the mainstream.
Most fans arent buying the albums and going to concerts because of mtv/radio hits. And also the fact the music is great and is different to anything else out there.

http://www.mtv.com/news/photos/l/limp_bizkit01/flipbooks/images/flip3.jpg

keep rollin', baby!

I will the the first to admit that I do not meet some of the ideals listed above, but I think some of them are worth striving for. Additionally, I think some of the problems faced in music criticism also apply to other artisitc and social arenas. The unwillngness to come to terms with a different type (of whatever sort), to rely on assumptions and stereotypes, and not understanding or experience, is, to me, a flawed process, one that goes on not only in music but also in interpersonal relationships, and social ones. Sterling, your fervent defence of antiracism over the span of many threads, for instance, creates the expectation, for me, that you are familiar with the process of the willful misunderstanding of others, which is certainly at least part, though not all, of the problem of racism. Again, though the context is different, the underlying logic is similar. The logic itself is problematic, and any views stemming from it are automatically flawed.

Lastly, I spent a lot of time on my post last night, which is maybe why it sounds pedantic, but it is also why I may seem to be missing the point. After a while, I figured it would be better to cover gaffes that may not have been specifically made, just because I happened to think of them while I was writing.

Limp Bizkit > Linkin Park > Foreigner > Smashing Pumpkins > Matchbox 20 > Nickelback > DMB > REO Speedwagon > Creed > Styx > Staind

No MP3's, we're in the process. It's (I know I said it wasn't a jam band, but it is a teeny bit "jammy")jam/jazz/rock/hard to explain type of music with a lot of freaky keys and meters. You'd have to hear it to understand what I'm saying. And no, it doesn't sound like DMB in the least bit.

Says you.

Killing Joke is perfect.

http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/band79-82/band81bed.jpg

yes all right Alex, you don't have to be snippy about it though :(

Alex, apart from Killing Joke. What other bands do you like?

Killing Joke will always be my absolute faves, but other than they....in no particular order: Cop Shoot Cop/Firewater, the Misfits, XTC, Devo, the Stranglers, Buzzcocks, the Ramones, Iggy & the Stooges, the Modern Lovers, Kiss, the Birthday Party, Julian Cope, Black Flag, The Wedding Present, Talk Talk, Joy Division/New Order, the Circle Jerks, Gang of Four, the Pop Group, Gavin Friday, Queen, Massive Attack, Motorhead, Anthrax, the Sisters of Mercy, Discipline-era King Crimson, the Velvet Underground, This Mortal Coil, the Smiths, Talking Heads, Bowie, the Cure, the Cult, Theatre of Hate, Kraut, Ch3, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, the Damned......and a bunch more.

somebody started a thread about the Dave Matthews Band. And it was flamed by hordes of DMB Fans...I fear that sometimes soon an "Alex in NYC"-esque DMB fan will begin posting early and often every day, until he becomes the Most Active Poster. And he will post photos of DMB in every thread...and the DMB Fan will demand that we all "Honour the..." (whatever it DMB fans honour) and the world will become a much darker and more horrid place.

Custos in writing "Matrix Reloaded" shockah!