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tridis makes me want to gouge out my own eyes so i can't read any more... That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about Alexis Petridis. Did you know that the music nowadays is seperated in uncultured working class youths who listen to trance, and intelligent cultured middle class art students who listen to Hundred Reasons? Alexis does.
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 1 May 2003 17:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
James fucking Baldwin to thread.
(see also Eldridge Cleaver's homophobic go at him in Soul on Ice)
― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 1 May 2003 17:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
Jess is OTM about the logical inconsistency. She seems to want "white boys" to start being racist, anti-semitic, etc...that or apologize. A rather ridiculous shit-or-get-off-the-pot argument.
Oh and, Tone Loc to thread:
"This is the 80s and I'm down with the ladies...I don't mess around with no Oscar Meyer Weiner"
― Ryan McKay (Ryan McKay), Thursday, 1 May 2003 19:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
Just a thought, anyone here read Iceberg Slim's 'Mama Black Widow'?
― dave q, Friday, 2 May 2003 09:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
Hm. She also appears to think that a "syllogism" is Something Bad: "This mistake is born out of one syllogism, one misconception and one silly error."
― OleM (OleM), Friday, 2 May 2003 09:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
I want this to progress to the discussion of the "homie-sexuals" that the guardian talked about last time this came up.
Also, is that Caushun album as bad as I think it is?
― Jacob (Jacob), Friday, 2 May 2003 09:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
"to all the mothers and the sisters and the wives and friends i wanna offer my love and respect to the end"
MCA on 'Sure Shot', effectively 'apologising' for the mysoginist comments made by Beastie Boys on previous album(s), before their apology to the gay community too i imagine.
― stevem (blueski), Friday, 2 May 2003 10:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
FWIW, I went ahead and wrote Williams about my own specific thoughts and objections to the article re: Public Enemy, and received a polite and straightforward response this morning. To sum up:
* Williams agrees about the importance of contextual homophobia and how it 'generally' comes from a religious perspective
* Related to this, Williams feels that her central argument, which she thinks in retrospect only occurred to her while writing the article and wasn't emphasized as well as it could have been, is that any debates over homophobia are more appropriate in 'religious quarters' and that 'black culture only gets involved where it intersects with fundamentalism.'
* Ultimately, Williams feels much had to be left out because of space and agrees there was glossing over.
So there you go -- her responses raise some potential further questions (and I've passed a couple on to her), but she does not seem unaware of the complexities. I've mentioned the thread and perhaps she might yet appear here.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 May 2003 15:09 (twenty-one years ago) link