I showed you your first tec on tour with Large Professor Then I heard your album bout your tec on the dresser
― deej, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:01 (sixteen years ago) link
that's a one hot album every ten year average
― dmr, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:22 (sixteen years ago) link
^
― Jordan Sargent, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:22 (sixteen years ago) link
takeover is jay at his wackest-- ether is nas at his best
― luriqua, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link
ether> takeover
-- Jordan Sargent, Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:25 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
def. meant takeover>ether
― Jordan Sargent, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link
-- luriqua, Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:23 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
this is nine levels of RONG.
― Jordan Sargent, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:24 (sixteen years ago) link
takeover obv
-- groovemaaan, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:00 (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
-- deej, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:01 (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
-- dmr, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:22 (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
-- Jordan Sargent, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:22 (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
Sterling Clover Memorial Thread
― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:57 (sixteen years ago) link
"runnin' this rap shit" line balanced out by "And all you other cats throwin shots at Jigga/ You only get half a bar - fuck y'all niggas."
― milo z, Thursday, 23 August 2007 22:16 (sixteen years ago) link
but this goes to Ether by leaps and bounds
better than any verse Jay ever recorded:
I've been fucked over, left for dead, dissed and forgotten Luck ran out, they hoped that I'd be gone, stiff and rotten Y'all just piss on me, shit on me, spit on my grave (uh) Talk about me, laugh behind my back but in my face Y'all some "well wishers," friendly acting, envy hiding snakes With your hands out for my money, man, how much can I take? When these streets keep calling, heard it when I was sleep That this Gay-Z and Cockafella Records wanted beef Started cocking up my weapon, slowly loading up this ammo To explode it on a camel, and his soldiers, I can handle This for dolo and it's manuscript, just sound stupid When KRS already made an album called Blueprint First, Biggie's ya man, then you got the nerve to say that you better than Big Dick sucking lips, why not you let the late, great veteran live
― milo z, Thursday, 23 August 2007 22:18 (sixteen years ago) link
99. You only get half a bar/ Fuck y'all niggas - The Takeover
-- Tynan DeLong (TynanTynan!), Friday, January 13, 2006 9:50 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link
― deej, Thursday, 23 August 2007 22:18 (sixteen years ago) link
"Takeover" is kinda OK as an early 00s indie-friendly crossover novelty single, but at the end of the day I kinda want my rap to have more in common with "Ya Playing Yourself" than "Bad Babysitter"
― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 23 August 2007 22:21 (sixteen years ago) link
the gay-z and cockafella disses were kinda weak.
i don't mind ether, but i like the overall easy, confident vibe of takeover better...
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 23 August 2007 22:28 (sixteen years ago) link
along the lines of what m@tt said, jay doesn't even sound heated.
i dig the "pssshhh... nas?"-ness of it.
― Jordan Sargent, Thursday, 23 August 2007 22:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― ILX System, Thursday, 23 August 2007 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Started cocking up my weapon, slowly loading up this ammo To explode it on a camel and his soldiers I can handle this for dolo and its manuscript Just sound stupid when KRS already made an album called Blueprint
― max, Thursday, 23 August 2007 23:03 (sixteen years ago) link
Foxy got you hot 'cause you kept your face in her puss What you think, you getting girls now 'cause of your looks?
― max, Thursday, 23 August 2007 23:05 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't know about this one but I'll give you a sure winner - in my own, uninformed way. The 50-Cent diss of Nas was absolutely smoked by Nas' reply.
― humansuit, Friday, 24 August 2007 04:46 (sixteen years ago) link
http://allhiphop.com/features/?ID=38
AHH: One thing that just came up today, Nas apparently has a response to Jay Z’s "The Takeover" on his upcoming album, which implicates you and Pun and includes the lyrics: "Call yourself gangsta but you were begging for pardon that night in Carbon when Terror Squad flipped on your squadron tried to front on their checks till Pun put a gun to your chest."
Fat Joe: We gotta hear it but damn, what a way to put me right in the middle of the beef huh? We don’t comment on that, that's old news. Like I said all the negative energy all that sh*t you can throw that out the window. Nas is crazy. No question that we are allies with Nas Escobar. We love Nas. I almost named my son after Nas. As far as him and Jay Z with the beef: that’s they stuff. Until somebody tries to involve me in that shit, that’s it. I ain’t got no problem with the whole Rocafella. It’s well documented. Everybody keeps trying to get me to talk about that shit in every interview. Why don’t they ask Jay Z that stuff? I read his interveiws, nobody asks him. If you interview him, ask him.
― and what, Friday, 24 August 2007 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― ILX System, Friday, 24 August 2007 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link
garbage
― max, Friday, 24 August 2007 23:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Delete ILX
― Dom Passantino, Friday, 24 August 2007 23:27 (sixteen years ago) link
ILM ethered
― am0n, Friday, 24 August 2007 23:34 (sixteen years ago) link
that Nas verse upthread fucking sucks
― gabbneb, Friday, 24 August 2007 23:39 (sixteen years ago) link
except for the stupid/blueprint bars, it's basically Lou1s J@gger-worthy
― gabbneb, Friday, 24 August 2007 23:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe Nas is actually Nude Spock?
― Dom Passantino, Friday, 24 August 2007 23:49 (sixteen years ago) link
ILM otm ether is a half-decent diss and garbage song
― deej, Saturday, 25 August 2007 00:56 (sixteen years ago) link
that's a one poll loss every one poll average.
― Jordan Sargent, Saturday, 25 August 2007 01:00 (sixteen years ago) link
lol
― deej, Saturday, 25 August 2007 01:09 (sixteen years ago) link
This is some bullshit.
I would have voted Ether.
― jim, Saturday, 25 August 2007 01:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Most of the disses in Ether are weak
already an album called Blueprint = not interesting thinks he gets girls because of his looks = jay-z makes fun of how girls thought he was ugly until he had money gay-z/cockafella = ... better than big = never actually said whole chorus = extremely labored, not catchy, not all that clever
not to be all "Hey, stop being unfair to Jay-Z!" but Ether is a boring punchline song and the punchlines don't even land.
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 25 August 2007 01:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Can agree that Ether is mostly silly playground name-calling but it's waaaaay better since Nas puts son in place on so many tips:
What's sad is I love you 'cause you're my brother You traded your soul for riches
My child, I've watched you grow up to be famous And now I smile like a proud dad, watching his only son that made it
Is he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy? Oh, I get it, you Biggie and he's Puffy
And your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame You ass, went from Jaz to hanging with Caine, to Herb, to Big
Shawn Carter to Jay-Z, damn you on Jaz dick
How much of Biggie's rhymes is gonna come out your fat lips?
You pop shit, apologize, nigga, just ask Kiss
All that kinda stuff. Ether wins.
― a-tron, Saturday, 25 August 2007 01:43 (sixteen years ago) link
the large professor/tec on your dresser jab >
-- a-tron, Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:43 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
― Jordan Sargent, Saturday, 25 August 2007 01:48 (sixteen years ago) link
All the digs are kind of lame - Jay-Z looks like a camel, Nas wasn't really a thug. Yawn.
Ether is a better song, Nas is a better rapper, Ether wins.
― milo z, Saturday, 25 August 2007 01:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Takeover is a much better jam
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 25 August 2007 01:57 (sixteen years ago) link
"jam"
― am0n, Saturday, 25 August 2007 02:02 (sixteen years ago) link
http://dailyrefill.blogs.com/daily/images/20040618_11.jpg
― gabbneb, Saturday, 25 August 2007 02:05 (sixteen years ago) link
qed
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 25 August 2007 02:05 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/tx/gallery/media/ap_jayz_macca_linkinpark_40.jpg
― Jordan Sargent, Saturday, 25 August 2007 02:07 (sixteen years ago) link
shaboy
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 25 August 2007 02:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Takeover all day.
Its not even close.
― Colin_C., Saturday, 25 August 2007 02:57 (sixteen years ago) link
I voted Takeover. 2 things the Ether-boosters need to remember:
- Takeover was at best like the 5th or 6th most popular song from its album, there's really not a whole lot Stillmatic worth remembering or talking about besides Ether
- the Hot 97 call-in vote that people usually cite as proof that Nas "won" was between Ether and Super Ugly, so of course Ether won. curious how it would've turned out between Takeover and Ether.
― Alex in Baltimore, Saturday, 25 August 2007 05:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Me too. I've always liked how Jay uses the first verse to set himself up as an unassailable force before he starts calling names, between that and the beat, which is some knocking-down-the-doors (npi) shit, "Takeover" sounds overwhelmingly confident, whereas "Ether" sounds withdrawn and petty.
― The Reverend, Saturday, 25 August 2007 07:24 (sixteen years ago) link
jay-z had but 2 good lines in that whole half-dope gayne west track jack (every song he produced is overshadowed by what he stole ftw)
― luriqua, Saturday, 25 August 2007 07:25 (sixteen years ago) link
al: rewind, one mic-- jay needs a ghost writer in light of those trx that nas never cld have writ unless he banged some smack
― luriqua, Saturday, 25 August 2007 07:26 (sixteen years ago) link
ether is better than any jay song except hard knock life cuz of the chorus, u fucktards
― luriqua, Saturday, 25 August 2007 07:27 (sixteen years ago) link
nobody interjects shit within the chorus. that shit's crazy as a motherfucker
even though it's all gastfaced and shit. nas and jay both suck ass
― luriqua, Saturday, 25 August 2007 07:28 (sixteen years ago) link
except d'evils and very select moments from illmatic.
stop im-ing yourself.
― Jordan Sargent, Saturday, 25 August 2007 08:35 (sixteen years ago) link
-- luriqua, Saturday, 25 August 2007 07:26 (5 hours ago) Link
^^^ truth
― and what, Saturday, 25 August 2007 13:04 (sixteen years ago) link
omg
― HOOS the master?? STEEN NUFF (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 04:50 (thirteen years ago) link
must be huge if you can fit all three of them on it at the same time
― pf smangs (San Te), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 10:40 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
dont deny the mountain lol
― *kl0p* (deej), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 05:18 (thirteen years ago) link
btw listening to take over right now this shit is
― max, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 05:33 (thirteen years ago) link
LAAAAAME
neither of these is as good as 'last real nigga alive' imo
― max, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 05:34 (thirteen years ago) link
which has the best combo of nas being super-butthurt/contemplative + 90s rap gossip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkH-x7yZagI
― am0n, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 06:14 (thirteen years ago) link
im not a huge 9th stan but this rmx was :Ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AT7A9aJHDw
― *kl0p* (deej), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 06:17 (thirteen years ago) link
doesnt rlly work with the rapping tho
I came across this old post which I feel is relevant to this thread's latest tangent:
I find the tepid initial responses to "G Thang" interesting, too. As far as I'm concerned, as someone a bit younger, there is no initial response because it's been ubiquitous for as long as I've been actively listening to music. Also, for me the g-funk era is kind of the heyday, as that was the dominant strain when I first started listening to rap. Sure there was the East Coast hardcore contingent, too, but you didn't hear that on the radio here and most of that stuff flew completely over my head when I was 10/11/12 anyways. I never got into Wu-Tang until well after the fact. G-funk wasn't a subgenre of rap to me, it was what rap sounded like, all the other things were the outliers. Of course, I'm sure a lot of this has to do with growing up on the West Coast during the peak of West Coast rap's popularity. Weirdly, or maybe not so weirdly, around 95/96 when I first started listening to the radio/watching MTV a lot, I probably heard more Southern rap than East Coast. I guess in those days it just as present as a few years later at the beginning of the "Dirty South boom" (but certainly not so much as today), but went mostly unacknowledged.
― The Reverend, Sunday, September 9, 2007 7:08 PM Bookmark
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Monday, 7 February 2011 11:04 (thirteen years ago) link
heh my experience was pretty much opposite yours Rev - when I first started listening it was illmatic and reasonable doubt, and then some talib kweli/mos def stuff, eminem. in fact, I would wager that I still probably haven't willfully heard a G-funk song.
― dayo, Monday, 7 February 2011 11:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I never even knew about either of those albums until the Blueprint/Stillmatic era.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Monday, 7 February 2011 11:09 (thirteen years ago) link
The only East Coast rap songs I remember getting played on the radio here in 96 are "If I Ruled the World" (first Nas song I ever heard) and the singles from LL Cool J's Mr. Smith. From 97 on, radio here seemed a lot more friendly to East Coast rap though.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Monday, 7 February 2011 11:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Well like 97-03.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Monday, 7 February 2011 11:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I dunno if I ever actively listened to radio in middle or high school :/ I do remember stuff like puffy, juvenile, master P, busta etc. being popular in high school
― dayo, Monday, 7 February 2011 11:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I started listening to music and more importantly, paying attention to music in about '99. Inherited copies of The Score, Life After Death, It Was Written, Ill Na Na etc. from my sister as she fucked off around the world. First copy of the Source I bought had Redman on the cover. First copy of HHC I bought had Rah Digga and the Outsidaz on the cover (lol. also reviewed Operation: Doomsday and give it a perfect score and made it sound like something I would spend years looking for). Radio played Jay-Z, Outkast DMX, Eminem, Lil Kim, 'Special Delivery', Mos Def, Method Man etc. Westwood, once upon a time the only way to really hear new hip-hop was more likely to play Hot Boys or Iconz or UGK or Three 6 Mafia something weird* and Southern than something west tbh.
*or so it seemed at the time.
I know a lot of this comes from the fact that post-Pac's death was a pretty big lull in which the west coast tried to run away from Suge's mess but I just come from the exact opposite of where Rev did. And eh, none of that stuff seems to knock as hard or have as much charisma or rapping abillity or write lyrics as well as their East coast counterparts.
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Monday, 7 February 2011 12:02 (thirteen years ago) link
apparently the pic of Prodigy from 1988 was actually a pic of him from about 1982. thinking hiphop needs its own version of factcheck.org .
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 29 January 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
I've been fucked over, left for dead, dissed and forgotten Luck ran out, they hoped that I'd be gone, stiff and rotten Y'all just piss on me, shit on me, spit on my grave (uh) Talk about me, laugh behind my back but in my face
this is just 4 lines of the same shit, and the first two are Seussian
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 August 2018 05:00 (five years ago) link
"laugh behind my back but in my face" lol
― niels, Friday, 31 August 2018 13:37 (five years ago) link
p sure I said it before but Ether is the most disappointing diss Nas could have come up with, so many weak rhymes (literally, lines that do not rhyme properly) and those homophobic punches are just so beneath Nas
"Gay-Z and Cock-a-Fella Records", take it to the gaydiohead thread you doofus
― niels, Friday, 31 August 2018 13:43 (five years ago) link
"Takeover" is an actual fun good song with a memorable beat and hook that I actually listen to for outside of its context as a dis recordI can't imagine listening to "Ether" for pleasure
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 31 August 2018 15:06 (five years ago) link
?? enjambment cut off there next line is "yall some well wishers, friendly acting, envy hiding snakes"
― XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Friday, 31 August 2018 16:47 (five years ago) link
Nas might have been a good rapper if it had been somebody there to drop a flowerpot on his head every day of his life.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 31 August 2018 17:13 (five years ago) link
xp. yeah that bit is actually good lol.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 31 August 2018 17:37 (five years ago) link
terrible revive
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 31 August 2018 17:38 (five years ago) link
nah it sucks dogg
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 31 August 2018 17:40 (five years ago) link
I cut it off at 4 lines to end it where the rhyme comes in, not to suggest that this is where the line actually ended. he just repeats the same whiny shit in this verse.
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 31 August 2018 17:41 (five years ago) link
"sticking to themes' A+
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 31 August 2018 17:43 (five years ago) link
honestly neither of them are very good. I remember when they both came out, and Nas' was clearly superior simply because he brought a bazooka to a knife fight. the arguments in Takeover's favor about Jay's nonchalance & only mentioning Nas in one verse make sense to me now. the homophobic stuff in Ether obviously sinks it. but he definitely "won." I'm glad no one died this time.
― flappy bird, Friday, 31 August 2018 18:01 (five years ago) link
Specifically both choruses are sooooo fuckin weak.
"takeover" rocks excuse me
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 31 August 2018 18:03 (five years ago) link
it's better than Ether, but it's too long and the "LAAAAAAME" choir is... lame
― flappy bird, Friday, 31 August 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link
"Takeover" is an actual fun good song with a memorable beat and hook that I actually listen to for outside of its context as a dis recordI can't imagine listening to "Ether" for pleasureotm
― niels, Saturday, 1 September 2018 08:16 (five years ago) link
still "Takeover"
― paranormal bully romance (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 January 2023 04:01 (one year ago) link
and yet everybody I know IRL votes Nas, even my best friend.
― paranormal bully romance (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 January 2023 04:02 (one year ago) link
Genuinely thought this was a Gang of Four vs. Bad Brains thread
― Lord Pickles (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 5 January 2023 04:46 (one year ago) link
xpost- everyone you know irl is wrong lol
― i'd rather do music and chill tf out (Austin), Thursday, 5 January 2023 05:25 (one year ago) link
lol Boring
― paranormal bully romance (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 January 2023 06:00 (one year ago) link
i wonder what in-his-prime Jay-Z woulda done (if anything) with all of Nas's "King's Disease albums"
that's a two arthritic diseases every ten year average
― paranormal bully romance (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 January 2023 06:01 (one year ago) link
Ofc ether gets ethered; the real challops is that takeover is the only good song on the blueprint
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 5 January 2023 17:27 (one year ago) link
lol damn fine challop there as i just had to delete a longass post about how wrong it is
― i'd rather do music and chill tf out (Austin), Thursday, 5 January 2023 17:39 (one year ago) link
"ether" isn't and never was a good song. it's vicious, sure, but if you remove the homophobia there are maybe four bars left
― sault bae (voodoo chili), Thursday, 5 January 2023 17:42 (one year ago) link
slowly loading up this ammoTo explode it on a camel
― Motion to adjourn to enjoy a footling (President Keyes), Thursday, 5 January 2023 17:46 (one year ago) link
My child, I've watched you grow up to be famousAnd now I smile like a proud dad, watching his only son that made itYou seem to be only concerned with dissing womenWere you abused as a child, scared to smile, they called you ugly?Well life is hard, hug me, don't reject me
― Motion to adjourn to enjoy a footling (President Keyes), Thursday, 5 January 2023 17:47 (one year ago) link
Nas has been horrible for 24 years or so. The gross misogyny. The absence of humor. The guy is a cancer on hip hop.
― paulhw, Thursday, 5 January 2023 22:57 (one year ago) link