Are they accepting applications?
― Little Nicky Pizza loved that rascal Rust (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 24 March 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link
they need units to sample and hold
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 March 2014 17:10 (ten years ago) link
back in my younger days, i actually enjoyed some of rick moody's books. what's amazing to me about this piece is that it actually was published (and that moody was probably paid for it)! not just for the opinions but that it is a ridiculously long ramble. is this the way salon is now?
― tylerw, Monday, 24 March 2014 17:14 (ten years ago) link
hahahahe's like frank deford of music now?
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Monday, 24 March 2014 17:15 (ten years ago) link
ameri-hornby
― scott seward, Monday, 24 March 2014 17:18 (ten years ago) link
oh dang that was a good zing, LLyou too, scott
I was thinking about this on the drive into work this morning and realized that at some point he had to have reread his own words in the dialogue and still thought it was worth publishing. He really does think these things!
― have a nice blood (mh), Monday, 24 March 2014 18:18 (ten years ago) link
frank deford=A+
― waterbabies (waterface), Monday, 24 March 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/files/2010/11/frankd.jpg
"Haim is when I reach for my revolver (metaphorically)"
he looks like Vincent Price
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Monday, 24 March 2014 18:27 (ten years ago) link
kind of amazing that you can talk about an album for that long and really say nothing about it, but really say a whole lot about yourself
― have a nice blood (mh), Monday, 24 March 2014 18:31 (ten years ago) link
Rick Moody wears a cool hat
http://ewshelflife.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/rick-moody_l.jpg
― polyphonic, Monday, 24 March 2014 19:45 (ten years ago) link
nope
― waterbabies (waterface), Monday, 24 March 2014 19:46 (ten years ago) link
also that's not London, that's Milwaukee
Break it on down!
― how's life, Monday, 24 March 2014 19:48 (ten years ago) link
Breakin' it Down with Waterface
― waterbabies (waterface), Monday, 24 March 2014 20:05 (ten years ago) link
non-rap fan writes about technical speed, doesn't recognize joey badass as a professional rapperhttp://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-fastest-rapper-in-the-game/
Joey Bada$$, who manages 180 wpm, is the best amateur of the bunch
― We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 14:42 (ten years ago) link
may belong in the rap genius thread as the pernicious "i googled it so i understand it" influence seems to be the biggest problem
― We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 14:43 (ten years ago) link
i wouldn't exactly be surprised if internet rapper joey badass had a dayjob or side hustle
― open-y, ob-la-da (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 14:53 (ten years ago) link
you don't think he's a professional rapper?
― We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 15:00 (ten years ago) link
I had no idea that Joey Bada$$ was having some success. His profile looks like he started off as an amateur there so I guess he is the test case in the sample here of whether speed increases your chances of making it!
― tsrobodo, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 15:01 (ten years ago) link
Everyone starts out as an amateur
― Little Nicky Pizza loved that rascal Rust (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 15:11 (ten years ago) link
Someone needs to tell the dork who wrote that article that rapping quickly does not automatically equate to being a talented rapper.
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 16:22 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1thvEtGM5M
1:30
― open-y, ob-la-da (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 16:26 (ten years ago) link
Well, it didn't work for Silver Bullet
― Mark G, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 19:35 (ten years ago) link
You just know that, as soon as the italicized finale of that article was written, the author did that stereotypical "lean back-cross your arms-look 'tough'" move was ubiquitous among jerks mocking rap in the 90s.
― good and relaxing like akon dont matter (intheblanks), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 20:50 (ten years ago) link
Joey Badass is a 19-year-old dude, why are grown men worrying about his side hustle?
― DonkeyTeeth, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 07:03 (ten years ago) link
Chip-Fu is the most amazing rapper of all timez
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 14:32 (ten years ago) link
Normally I'd get pretty annoyed if someone added something that they haven't yet read and really have no intention of reading but, y'know, fuck everyone connected with this:
Twee: The Gentle Revolution In Music, Books, Television, Fashion, And Film
The blurb alone is the worst thing ever:
New York Times, Spin, and Vanity Fair contributor Marc Spitz explores the first great cultural movement since Hip Hop: an old-fashioned and yet highly modern aesthetic that’s embraced internationally by teens, twenty and thirty-somethings and even some Baby Boomers; creating hybrid generation known as Twee. Via exclusive interviews and years of research, Spitz traces Generation Twee’s roots from the Post War 50s to its dominance in popular culture today.
Vampire Weekend, Garden State, Miranda July, Belle and Sebastian, Wes Anderson, Mumblecore, McSweeney’s, Morrissey, beards, artisanal pickles, food trucks, crocheted owls on Etsy, ukuleles, kittens and Zooey Deschanel—all are examples of a cultural aesthetic of calculated precocity known as Twee.
In Twee, journalist and cultural observer Marc Spitz surveys the rising Twee movement in music, art, film, fashion, food and politics and examines the cross-pollinated generation that embodies it—from aging hipsters to nerd girls, indie snobs to idealistic industrialists. Spitz outlines the history of twee—the first strong, diverse, and wildly influential youth movement since Punk in the ’70s and Hip Hop in the ’80s—showing how awkward glamour and fierce independence has become part of the zeitgeist.
Focusing on its origins and hallmarks, he charts the rise of this trend from its forefathers like Disney, Salinger, Plath, Seuss, Sendak, Blume and Jonathan Richman to its underground roots in the post-punk United Kingdom, through the late’80s and early ’90s of K Records, Whit Stillman, Nirvana, Wes Anderson, Pitchfork, This American Life, and Belle and Sebastian, to the current (and sometimes polarizing) appeal of Girls, Arcade Fire, Rookie magazine, and hellogiggles.com.
Revealing a movement defined by passionate fandom, bespoke tastes, a rebellious lack of irony or swagger, the championing of the underdog, and the vanquishing of bullies, Spitz uncovers the secrets of modern youth culture: how Twee became pervasive, why it has so many haters and where, in a post-Portlandia world, can it go from here?
― Doran, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:17 (ten years ago) link
"Years of research"
― Doran, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:18 (ten years ago) link
examples of twee include beards + pickles?
― Mordy , Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:20 (ten years ago) link
I don't see the problem with that blurb but I also don't care to read a book about twee so, yeah.
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:24 (ten years ago) link
XP: Ha ha ha. Was just posting about the pickles.
I was ready to smash something to pieces until I read the phrase "artisanal pickles" and now I just feel despondent.
― Doran, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:24 (ten years ago) link
can we shoot this book and writer into the sun?
― have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:25 (ten years ago) link
there is a lot of talk on the indiepop list about this twee book right now. some are dreading it. i'm looking forward to seeing just what a carnival-mirror-image of "twee" spitz manages to capture.
― mike a, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:25 (ten years ago) link
XXXP: I guess it's a personal POV that Bon Iver, pickles and couple blogging is better than acid house, drum and bass and hardcore but it was enough to spoil my afternoon.
― Doran, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:27 (ten years ago) link
obviously no one's read it yet, but i suepect the music will be the least of the twee book's concerns.
― mike a, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:27 (ten years ago) link
the first great cultural movement since Hip Hop
― j., Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:29 (ten years ago) link
my prediction: pamplemoose gets two chapters; orange juice, half a page; the pastels, a passing mention.
― mike a, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:31 (ten years ago) link
my jaw was wrenched into an expression of horror by that part, and wasn't returned to it's proper place by any words following xp
― have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:31 (ten years ago) link
"why don't you gently revolve on this"
― We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:34 (ten years ago) link
So, is Marc Spitz twee's Greil Marcus or Twee Greil Marcus?
― MV, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:35 (ten years ago) link
New York Times, Spin, and Vanity Fair contributor Marc Spitz
stopped reading here
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:37 (ten years ago) link
one might say that the book description is worthy of a spitz take
― have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:38 (ten years ago) link
I like how it traces the "roots of twee" to...children's literature
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:38 (ten years ago) link
A lot of this stuff passes me by, and I tend to think "not for me, really" but the level of *vitriol* that gets hurled at anything of this aesthetic... well, I find it kinda baffling really.
Like this vitriol says a lot more about the people who are expressing it than it does any (perceived or real) lifestyle of the people involved. It's one of ILX's uglier emotions.
― conspicuous unconsumption (Branwell Bell), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:44 (ten years ago) link
the old "says a lot more about the people doing the criticizing" saw
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:46 (ten years ago) link
It's PR fluff but is it possible we're actually offended by the idea that this book makes the case that his definition of "twee" is a cultural force the size of hip hop?
I mean, not that offended. It might be a good book, might be a bad one, but that's pretty ridiculous on its face. I think you're mistaking water cooler conversation for actual vitriol.
― have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:48 (ten years ago) link
what's worst, standing around the water cooler talking about how you can't believe some judge's opinion on a singing competition television show, or standing around debating whether someone's posited take on a cultural force is valid
they're probably both bad, but it's ok to have opinions
― have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:49 (ten years ago) link
Spitz posts on ilx?
― Mordy , Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:50 (ten years ago) link
from that "i listen to my husband's records" blog:
Part of me feels like I want to be avant garde enough to get this, but then another part of me feels like the emperor isn’t wearing any clothes!
she's talking about albert ayler! :(
And he was like, “Yeah, this album has gotten a lot of play.” Um, who am I even married too?!?
i dunno about you folks, but i don't know that i would get to the point of wanting to marry someone if they were so "amused" and condescending toward my tastes. i don't expect them to share exactly the same tastes (though having some common ground seems important) but... sheesh.
― espring (amateurist), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 18:51 (ten years ago) link
sorry I'm late to the party.