After that, he was strictly a dullsville British Blues Guitarist (with a few notable exceptions)
Hard to comment on this without knowing what exceptions you have in mind (Comfortably Numb?) but Gilmour is a GREAT guitarist with never a dullsville moment imo
I don't think it was necessarily a lack of facility, but more that the level of risk-taking as instrumentalists decreased steadily over the years
Don't think Waters-era Floyd were ever the go-to band for instrumental risk-taking but that is no kind of argument against them imo, they had other compensating factors imo
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Monday, 10 March 2014 09:47 (ten years ago) link
oops one or two too many imo's there, yuk
Have I just missed it, or does Animals never get played on classic-rock radio?
― Lee626, Monday, 10 March 2014 10:24 (ten years ago) link
The songs are too long for the way radio works these days.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 10 March 2014 10:54 (ten years ago) link
I was pretty drunk last night & didn't express myself too well but "idiot racist narcissist" is not something I thought would be a bone of contention, ok so we'll give him a pass for yelling the word coon for kicks in a stadium rock song cause he was IN CHARACTER as the cunt rock star he plays in real life but then you have deranged mutterings about "nips" & "wily Japanese", disgusting "almond eyes/yellow thighs" fetishism, he calls yoko ono a bitch for literally no reason in the middle of a song followed by a clip of someone going "herro"
I mean maybe you guys aren't as well versed in the catalogue as me but cmon the guy is a shit how is this even up for debate
― Andreass Twerckmeister (wins), Monday, 10 March 2014 12:07 (ten years ago) link
I suppose it's a fair point. But "Not Now, John" is parody?
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 10 March 2014 12:18 (ten years ago) link
Sorry, train bumped. My point was going to be, seems a fair thing to question – the Yoko example particularly struck me as well. But I'd tread more carefully on TFC – a lot of that seems to be him voicing the anxiety of the British working class, "Not Now, John" in particular.
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 10 March 2014 12:21 (ten years ago) link
The nips bit in final cut is not in character as a comedy commoner, also I think with that sort of thing I'll give you a pass once as a songwriter but when it becomes a pattern I'll question it, and waters is such a ludicrous figure to me that he gets no benefit of the doubt
― Andreass Twerckmeister (wins), Monday, 10 March 2014 12:33 (ten years ago) link
Like his "anguished" bellow is the terriblest most ridiculous sound in music I can't believe people take him seriously "driving me INSAAAAAA" ha ha fuck off you silly old twat
― Andreass Twerckmeister (wins), Monday, 10 March 2014 12:34 (ten years ago) link
Waters is a lifelong socialist and I refuse to believe that the nips line is anything other than an in-character, heavily ironized moment
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Monday, 10 March 2014 12:51 (ten years ago) link
It is possible to be socialist and racist
― Andreass Twerckmeister (wins), Monday, 10 March 2014 12:57 (ten years ago) link
There's nothing ironic about "herro"
― Andreass Twerckmeister (wins), Monday, 10 March 2014 12:58 (ten years ago) link
I've also never heard The Final Cut but I am listening right now for the first time. I HAVE heard both Radio KAOS and The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking, wtf is wrong with me
are we counting "Us & Them" and "The Piano Sequence" / whatever else it's been called on bootlegs together? it helps that it was labeled as "Us & Them (Rick Wright piano demo)" on the Immersion box. so I hope so! o/w I will vote for both.
― Euler, Monday, 10 March 2014 13:31 (ten years ago) link
waters is the kind of lifelong socialist who also supports the countryside alliance
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 10 March 2014 13:40 (ten years ago) link
or the kind of lifelong arsenal supporter who still puts 'you'll never walk alone' on Fearless
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 10 March 2014 13:41 (ten years ago) link
^gets it
― lames for AnCo (wins), Monday, 10 March 2014 13:47 (ten years ago) link
Kinda assumed this would be the default position of Floyd fans actually, I mean roger waters has written at least two concept albums about what a cunt roger waters is (but he didn't have a dad u see) I'd have thought it uncontroversial to agree w him
― lames for AnCo (wins), Monday, 10 March 2014 13:49 (ten years ago) link
"Comfortably Numb" is definitely one exception, as is "Another Brick In The Wall, Part 2." My favorite Gilmour playing is on Ummagumma (the live disc), Saucerful, and the Pompeii "Echoes." As for post-DSOTM, his playing on WYWH and Animals really drags those records down for me; he seems bereft of ideas, and never ventures beyond his comfort zone.
Yeah, I could definitely see that. I should note that I don't hate post-DSOTM Floyd, and that I'll still defend The Final Cut, but it's frustrating that they never again tried to exploit their more risk-taking strengths as musicians (although, they really seemed to loosen up live, cf. Oakland '77). It's not that I think Waters-era Floyd is bad, just that it could've been better.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 10 March 2014 13:52 (ten years ago) link
From Waters' last facebook post:
I give heartfelt thanks, to those of you who chose to go online and stand with me, in declaring their opposition to colonialism, occupation, racism, dogma, bigotry and narrow national self-interest, in favor instead, of internationalism, self determination, truth, reason, justice, understanding, discourse, liberty, peace and love.
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Monday, 10 March 2014 13:53 (ten years ago) link
Well they disowned most of their early funny stuff as floundering frippery didn't they? Xp
― lames for AnCo (wins), Monday, 10 March 2014 13:55 (ten years ago) link
Lol ok "racism: I'm dead against it, peace and love peace and love" case closed
― lames for AnCo (wins), Monday, 10 March 2014 13:57 (ten years ago) link
Did they? I honestly don't know, although I thought they all at least really dug what they'd done with Syd.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 10 March 2014 14:00 (ten years ago) link
(xp)
Like his "anguished" bellow is the terriblest most ridiculous sound in music
Haha, I was searching for a Roger Waters solo cut to put in at No. 20. I can't remember which song it was, but there's some song out there off of P&CoH or KAOS where it segues seamlessly from one of those EEE-YAAAESSSAAAWWWWWW! into a David Sanborn saxophone solo.
― pplains, Monday, 10 March 2014 14:05 (ten years ago) link
Ummagumma & atom heart especially iirc, but they definitely used to claim that post-syd pre-moon they hadn't found their direction. Gilmour returned to atom heart tho so he obv changed his mind xp
― lames for AnCo (wins), Monday, 10 March 2014 14:06 (ten years ago) link
I remember hearing a radio interview with Waters in which he dismissed Atom Heart Mother as "rubbish", and of course the Waters-era band never (or hardly ever?) played anything pre-Dark Side, although the Gilmour-led version of the band played "Astronomy Domine" in 1994.
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Monday, 10 March 2014 14:07 (ten years ago) link
Sanborn is on hitchhiker, with clapton & kamen - the lethal weapon dream team! Xp
― lames for AnCo (wins), Monday, 10 March 2014 14:08 (ten years ago) link
how did I not know about this
19367 Pink Floyd is an asteroid that has been named in honour of the English musical group Pink Floyd. It was discovered on December 3, 1997. It is in a 3.82-year elliptical orbit around the sun. Its previous perihelion passage occurred on December 23, 2004 at 9h00 UT. There is little information on the physical properties of 19367 Pink Floyd. Its diameter remains uncertain; range of 3 to 6 km is probable. 19367 Pink Floyd's maximum brightness is estimated to be 1/14958 of the brightness of the faintest objects that can be seen with the human eye
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Monday, 10 March 2014 14:10 (ten years ago) link
Haha they hated being called "space rock" now a space rock is named after them
― lames for AnCo (wins), Monday, 10 March 2014 14:13 (ten years ago) link
It's too bad Waters wasn't more keen on those records, although he did play "Set The Controls" on his solo tours.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 10 March 2014 14:18 (ten years ago) link
and of course the Waters-era band never (or hardly ever?) played anything pre-Dark Side
They did "One of These Days" on their '74 tours, "Echoes" on their '74 and '75 tours, and CWTAE once in '77. That's pretty much it.
Ah ok, thanks. He played "If" on the Radio KAOS tour as well.
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Monday, 10 March 2014 14:20 (ten years ago) link
one thing all this Floyd listening these last two weeks has brought out is that I am a massive Rick Wright fan
― Euler, Monday, 10 March 2014 18:47 (ten years ago) link
Gilmour was playing "Wots... Uh The Deal," "Fat Old Sun," and "Echoes" on the On An Island tour.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 10 March 2014 18:49 (ten years ago) link
Twelve hours and 10 minutes left to send your ballot in
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 10 March 2014 18:50 (ten years ago) link
when does rollout start?
― how's life, Monday, 10 March 2014 18:58 (ten years ago) link
oof, I thought it was end of day tomorrow. in that case let me ask again:
― Euler, Monday, 10 March 2014 18:59 (ten years ago) link
me too, midnight dates always confuse me
― Lee626, Monday, 10 March 2014 19:06 (ten years ago) link
The bonus polls (bootlegs, solo, Syd) will roll out tomorrow and then I'll just start working through them. Ballots are pretty diverse so it'll probably be the top 50 tracks
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 10 March 2014 19:50 (ten years ago) link
I'm counting them together.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 10 March 2014 19:51 (ten years ago) link
can we count all of pink floyd as one song y/n
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 March 2014 20:24 (ten years ago) link
where it segues seamlessly from one of those EEE-YAAAESSSAAAWWWWWW! into a David Sanborn saxophone solo.
I was mistaken, by the way. The anguished segue happens on The Gunner's Dream. So no Sanborn.
― pplains, Monday, 10 March 2014 21:08 (ten years ago) link
Dude, that's a great moment on that song.
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 10 March 2014 21:21 (ten years ago) link
"the gunner's dream" is badass as hell, nearly on my ballot
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 10 March 2014 21:21 (ten years ago) link
haha the bit I quoted is on that song too
― lames for AnCo (wins), Monday, 10 March 2014 21:22 (ten years ago) link
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this is my favourite post itt
― lames for AnCo (wins), Monday, 10 March 2014 21:23 (ten years ago) link
voted!
― balls, Monday, 10 March 2014 22:05 (ten years ago) link
38 ballots, 114 tracks with votes
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 10 March 2014 22:16 (ten years ago) link
Elvis, do you want me to change the thread title to reflect that the poll is closing tonight?
― how's life, Monday, 10 March 2014 22:44 (ten years ago) link
Yes please!
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 10 March 2014 23:07 (ten years ago) link