Jesu - Conqueror ... Miles Away from Godflesh

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Scourage : there was no plan other than to have fun making a record with some stupid Tool dough. glad you like !

Brad Laner (Brad Laner), Thursday, 11 January 2007 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Hooray!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 January 2007 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link

have fun making a record

This is probably the answer, and I wish a few more bands sounded like they were bloody enjoying themselves, mucking about, exploring what they could do, chasing a spider around the studio and sticking a fucked-up drum loop on top of it for 8.5 minutes...

And don't you mean 'some stupid Tool dough and some stupid Guns And Roses dough'? Seriously, the chances against that record being made increase exponentially when you take BOTH of 'em into account!

If you still get in touch with the other two, tell 'em I said 'Free Mars' (the title-track itself) is 'THE perfect 6-minute pop song'. 'Cos it is.

You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 11 January 2007 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually CP joined gnr because Sñr rose dug teh lusk so much . but this was well after the record came out. I love that song too, it always makes me think of my crappy old apartment where we recorded my drum parts. Talk about yer tolerant neighbors !

Brad Laner (Brad Laner), Thursday, 11 January 2007 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Axl Rose loved Lusk? Awesome! Things definitely looking up for the new album (oh, and I was just kidding about the 'chances against' anyway)!

I like the fact that the members of Lusk played different instruments on practically every song, btw. 'membramophones', wtf?

You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 11 January 2007 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm sorry, but, (and this is a testament to the high esteem in which I hold ILM's opinion) I've been through this entire album three times trying to hear something magical about this, and don't hear anything but ideas that have been done and done and done again by similarly boring bands like Pelican (who themselves were aping the entire mid-90s Quarterstick roster anyway, hoping longhairs would never find out). Even the production, sound of the guitars, etc, seem a little stock to me, even compared to the better Godflesh albums.

I've played it loud, I've played it quiet. I've played it stoned, I've played it straight. I have even, as grimly fiendish suggests upthread, had a guy come over and tune my ears, heart and soul, but maybe because I wouldn't let him near my balls, this album remains duller than shit for me. Sorry.

Spine Swine (Roger Fidelity), Friday, 12 January 2007 00:08 (seventeen years ago) link

this does not sound anything like pelican, get over it

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 12 January 2007 00:11 (seventeen years ago) link

also--did you listen on headphones?

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 12 January 2007 00:12 (seventeen years ago) link

holy.... moley.

this is really really good.

tk (tk), Friday, 12 January 2007 04:02 (seventeen years ago) link

'mother earth' stands out on first listen.

You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Friday, 12 January 2007 04:08 (seventeen years ago) link

"mother earth" is great. it reminds me of "plainsong"... in a good way of course.

tk (tk), Friday, 12 January 2007 05:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Jesu are playing with Isis at Bimbo's in San Francisco sometime early April. Yesss!

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Saturday, 13 January 2007 01:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Jesu tour:

02-20 Los Angeles, CA - Spaceland
02-22 San Diego, CA - Casbah *#
02-23 Tempe, AZ - The Clubhouse *#
02-24 Albuquerque, NM - Launchpad *#
02-26 Oklahoma City, OK - The Conservatory *#
02-27 Ft. Worth, TX - Ridglea Theater *#
02-28 Austin, TX - Emo's *#
03-01 Houston, TX - Numbers *#
03-02 Baton Rouge, LA - Spanish Moon *#
03-03 Birmingham, AL - Bottletree Lounge *#
03-05 Orlando, FL - The Social *#
03-08 Athens, GA - 40 Watt *#
03-09 Charlotte, NC - Tremont Music Hall*#
03-10 Richmond, VA - Alley Katz *#
03-11 Washington, DC - 9:30 Club *#
03-13 Philadelphia, PA - TLA *#
03-14 New York, NY - Irving Plaza *#
03-15 Austin, TX - SXSW
03-16 Austin, TX - SXSW
03-17 Cambridge, MA - Middle East *@
03-18 Montreal, Quebec - Theatre National *@
03-19 Ottawa, Ontario - Barrymore's *@
03-20 Toronto, Ontario - Opera House *@
03-22 Chicago, IL - Metro *@
03-25 Minneapolis, MN - Triple Rock Social Club *@
03-26 Iowa City, IA - The Picador *@
03-27 Lawrence, KS - Granada Theatre *@
03-28 Denver, CO - Marquis Theater *@
03-30 Salt Lake City, UT - In the Venue *@
04-01 Boise, ID - The Big Easy
04-02 Spokane, WA - The Big Easy
04-03 Seattle, WA - Neumo's *@
04-04 Portland, OR - Hawthorne Theatre *@
04-06 San Francisco, CA - Bimbo's *@
04-08 Los Angeles, CA - Henry Fonda Theatre *@

* with Isis
# with Torche
@ with Zozobra

manman (emekars), Saturday, 13 January 2007 02:18 (seventeen years ago) link

It's funny how all the metalheads/Godflesh fans on other message boards don't seem to like this as it's "too poppy" and has clean vocals.
And the non metal fans loving it just makes them even worse.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Sunday, 14 January 2007 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link

They can pack sand.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 January 2007 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

best comment i've seen (on last.fm, i think): "it's the greatest depeche mode album depeche mode never made."

i don't give a fuck what it is, or isn't, or what people think. all i know is i absolutely love it to bits and can't get enough of it.

still slightly disappointed "stanlow" isn't an OMD cover, but hey.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 14 January 2007 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Depeche Mode couldn't lace Justin's Boots :)

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Sunday, 14 January 2007 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm going to that Austin show.

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Sunday, 14 January 2007 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

It will be awesome.

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Sunday, 14 January 2007 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Depeche Mode couldn't lace Justin's Boots :)

Ahem.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 January 2007 03:40 (seventeen years ago) link

so. it's okay. better than silver, but i don't think i like it as much as the s/t. and like every song i'm too busy noticing the fact that he's playing ANOTHER ascending chord thing to really get entranced and float away.

"perfect skin" >>> jesu.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:07 (seventeen years ago) link

dude needs a chick singer.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:10 (seventeen years ago) link

This is making me just unreasonably happy. It's vaguely poppy! It doesn't have stupid cookie monster vocal effects! It's just giant slabs of BIG HEAVY GUITARS LIKE A BLACK HOLE OF DENSENESS (how does he get his guitars to sound SOOOOO BIG?!?!?)

I kinda understand the Ride comparisons more now - but more in the sense of "this is the way Ride *should* have gone instead of turning into Oasis Lite".

The only way it could possibly make me any happier would be to add girlie harmony vocals. But then it would be early Medicine. ;-)

The Long Grey And Overcast Tea Time Of The Soul (kate), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I think his guitars must be made of this:

http://www.mii.org/Minerals/Minpics1/Galena%202.jpg

The Long Grey And Overcast Tea Time Of The Soul (kate), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:28 (seventeen years ago) link

So you like it then?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:55 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/SF-Conversions/Rifts-B5-Race/Vorlon.jpg

Perrrrhappsssss...

Shoes and Shoegazeability (kate), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:57 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.tartpop.com/big%20guitar.jpg

jambalaya backgammon (grady), Thursday, 18 January 2007 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

woah i just spent five minutes GISing "huge guitar" "giant guitar" and "big guitar" until i found an image i liked, only to realize after posting it that it was from an ILX thread and that KATE posted it in the first place.

jambalaya backgammon (grady), Thursday, 18 January 2007 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Hahaha

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 19 January 2007 00:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I am all and I am everywhere.

(Heh, heh, now I'm speaking like a Vorlon.)

Shoes and Shoegazeability (kate), Friday, 19 January 2007 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

"It's just giant slabs of BIG HEAVY GUITARS LIKE A BLACK HOLE OF DENSENESS (how does he get his guitars to sound SOOOOO BIG?!?!?)"

---> I read an article where he talks about POD recording! Weird. I would never have thought that he was using some (in my mind) cheesy Line 6 piece to get that. It's a great interview though and he goes into a fair amount of detail about his sound.

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I am deeply pleased in that I'll be reviewing this for Plan B.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Also ... any thoughts on Final? Neurot Records says there may be a full-length later this year. And it's funny, I was at Amoeba (SF) yesterday and I found an old Final 7" from 1995. Two 7-8 minute tracks. It's mostly tones and drones. NICE!

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, Final's great, I have two albums around here somewhere.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm really enjoying it. Sits nicely next to the second disc of Dronevil, but a bit darker.

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Jesu are playing with Isis at Bimbo's in San Francisco sometime early April. Yesss!

so excited

tk (tk), Friday, 19 January 2007 23:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I wanted to like this more!

But I still like it.

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Saturday, 20 January 2007 00:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Six recent 'guitar' records that are infinitely better than Conqueror in every way:

1. KTL - s/t
2. Goliath Bird Eater - s/t
3. Aethenor - (long title)
4. Robedoor - Totem Hole
5. The Goslings - Grandeur of Hair
6. Mirag - Witch Queen Ascending

Doesn't anyone care about guitar tone anymore? Or does every just really miss June of 44 for some reason?

Alan Shorter (Roger Fidelity), Saturday, 20 January 2007 09:39 (seventeen years ago) link

To say nothing of the new Skullflower, of course...

Alan Even Shorter (Roger Fidelity), Saturday, 20 January 2007 09:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Doesn't anyone care about guitar tone anymore?

I do, and I rather like this one. And I like what I've heard of the Goslings in particular, so schtum.

Arrived yesterday, already listened to it twice blasting out of my stereo system. It is that great. More later.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 21 January 2007 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I care excessively about guitar tone - which is why I like the Jesu album so much. And that's a really interesting article, thanks for posting it, Octigan. It makes me want to ignore the people who have been slagging off PODs and get one anyway.

Shoes and Shoegazeability (kate), Monday, 22 January 2007 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

i'll never get people slagging off particular pieces of equipment. it usually amounts to "THE PRESETS ARE SHIT," which they always are.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Monday, 22 January 2007 18:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Alan Even Shorter ...

Skullflower? Dude, yes. And the last two Sunroof! records. Matthew Bower is a fucking genius.

Also, I think that the tone of the Jesu record is good, for what it is. It's going for a specific sound, and I think that it does a good job.

But I would have to agree that Skullflower is absolutely fucking radical. I love the blatant psych influence.

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Monday, 22 January 2007 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

And everyone should hear The Goslings agreed.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 22 January 2007 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

granted i've only heard the silver ep but where was all this praise when godflesh was around? silver sounds like dumbed-down godflesh and the cloying melodies are annoying.

am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 04:23 (seventeen years ago) link

granted i've only heard the silver ep but where was all this praise when godflesh was around?

Check my AMG reviews dood. As they say. (I do agree that the large part of the appeal of Jesu is not that they're heavy shoegaze but Godflesh refined/redefined -- the lyrical refocus is key too.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 04:32 (seventeen years ago) link

i'll stfu until i've heard conqueror

am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 04:43 (seventeen years ago) link

i've always praised godflesh. since streetcleaner! they were definitely one of my fave bands of the 90's.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 04:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, Streetcleaner was the first thing for me as well. "BREED...LIKE RATS!" Etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 04:49 (seventeen years ago) link

i know people liked them (i loved them) but they never got too far beyond the earache/"industrial" scene or whatever

heads weren't ready

am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 04:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Envy/Jesu split is out now on Daymare Recordings

Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 26 June 2008 13:43 (sixteen years ago) link

!!!!!!! Must get.

I liked the Jarboe album! You're right that it does go downhill after the first couple tracks, but "sinister weather channel music" is a pretty heavy claim.

jonathan - stl, Thursday, 26 June 2008 15:34 (sixteen years ago) link

haven't heard the Broadrick/Jarboe J2 thing yet, must do that soon, note to self...

stephen, Saturday, 28 June 2008 02:52 (sixteen years ago) link

new split with battle of mice (super limited) coming very soon on robotic empire!

stevie, Saturday, 28 June 2008 13:12 (sixteen years ago) link


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