Article Response: Lansing-Dreiden - 'The Incomplete Triangle'

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i repeat: sounds NOTHING like elephant six

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

There is pretty much no comparision to Elephant Six except that the first three or four songs have some 60sish mod/glam tendencies. But they rock. And I don't know that an Elephant Six band has ever rocked, ever. x post

Will do my best to hear the Fever album.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

FORM WHAT I'VE READ

deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

There is this forward-moving/chugging thing to the songs, which is nice. And, Ned, the middle part is shoegaze-y. Like maybe Swervedriver would be a good comparision.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

LISTEN PEOPLE, THE ONLY MENTION OF ELEPHANT SIX CAME FROM DDB IN OUR DEBATE, SO I WOULD IMPLORE YOU TO STRIKE THAT COMPARISON FROM THE RECORD

kthxbye

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

or re-read the debate for clarification

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, this record sounds exactly like MY BLOODY VALENTINE meets THE SMASHING PUMPKINS in a LIBRARY.

deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh so you're saying it sucks.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, and all the dudes in the band have long flowing lustorus hair.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

CRAPTASTIC!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

i wish you all would just listen to the advancing flags and glass corridor.

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I have. Like 17 times! The tracks remind me of the Apples in Stereo's early stuff.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

(i kid, please dont yell again)

christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

holding back caps lock

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I only got the promo 4 song 12" thing. It's pretty dull, and the New Order rip-off is silly, though they did it pretty well.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 10 June 2004 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link

this makes me so happy, the RECORD is fucking garbage...I'm also glad other people are hearing Elephant 6isms....


PITCHFORK OTM SHOCKAH!!!!!!!

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 10 June 2004 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

NOBODY is hearing elephant 6isms besides you

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 10 June 2004 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I have. Like 17 times! The tracks remind me of the Apples in Stereo's early stuff.
-- christhamrin (hamr004...), June 10th, 2004.


ummmm, what?

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 10 June 2004 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link

(i kid, please dont yell again)
-- christhamrin (hamr004...), June 10th, 2004. (christhamrin) (later)

dick!

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 10 June 2004 18:51 (nineteen years ago) link

who cares...the record still sucks. And you can take solace in the fact that Pitchfork's low score will keep your roommate away.


ddb (ddb), Thursday, 10 June 2004 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

he already asked for it a while back. then i was listening to it recently and he asked what i was listening to.

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 10 June 2004 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i was about to take his conceit seriously in the last sentence, and just assume jorge HAD slept with his girlfriend or something after all that. i'm joking, and don't know or care, but it bears mentioning that you can never know if exactly the whole story is being told with some of these writer guys. for they walk among us after all.
i know jorge has been in NYC since at least '97 or so. used to work with him. i like him. the record is cool, but see, i only listen to reggae.

duke teh, Thursday, 10 June 2004 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

hey guys have you tryed new album by LA
NSING-DREIDEN? I was totally against it at first, like you might be, but i grew to love it. It is so rad. It sounds just as awesome as hotmail and it has more layers! What is not to love? Even my girlfriend loves it but she was getting fat from not dancing enough to THE NEW LANSING-DREIDEN ALBUM so one day I was in the park listening to THE NEW LANDIND-DERIDEN ALBUM on my IPOD and now I am dateing a model! Trust me, guys, it works!

Miguel Sanchez (deangulberry), Thursday, 10 June 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Still just familiarizing myself with this album, but really, it's just startlingly good. The songwriting, the playing, the singing, the arrangements, the production.

Tim Ellison, Thursday, 10 June 2004 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

There hasn't been any specific criticisms of the album on here or on the links people have posted on here other than they sound like so and so (and, presumably, I don't like so and so). Ott's musical criticism seems to be that they are derivative. Derivativeness is totally relative.

Tim Ellison, Thursday, 10 June 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I like New Order, and find their New Order rip-off amusing, and accomplished/accurate, but useless. I will listen to the record more, since so many respectable people here speak highly of it.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 10 June 2004 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Tim is otm. Whats not to like about a New Order rip off? It fits within the context of the album.

so many respectable people here speak highly of it.

Hey, I like it too.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 10 June 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I like a good New Order rip off-if I like the song. On first take, the songs I heard strike me the way many new bands do, just bland.

I-F/Parallax Corp did an amazing instrumental New Order rip-off, Burning Ignorance on the Autistic Sync 12", I think.

And has anyone heard of The Bridge? Credited to someone named Paul Bell? Either one of those forgotten secret New Order productions or an incredible fascimile...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 10 June 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, who you calling respectable, Dan! I dunno if the four-song thing you have is a promo for the album or if it's a seperate e.p. They HAVE an e.p. that I haven't heard.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 10 June 2004 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I have the E.P. It's more consistent than the album thanks to its length, but doesn't have any standout tracks, imo.

deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 10 June 2004 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

and people who I respect also hate the album, I'm so conflicted!

Actually, even if I listen again and can be convinced it's decent to good, it's still not the kind of thing I get terribly excited about, and wouldn't have much of an opinion had the EP not been sent to me. I think it's a DJ promo sampler from the LP kind of thing, but am not sure. One part I liked the music/production etc but one there was singing and a song I lost interest.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 10 June 2004 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

people going "bonkers" about the junior boys amidst new order comparisons

people going "haters" about the lansing-dreiden album amidst new order comparisons

i like the album, but i can relate to the hate.

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 10 June 2004 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Too bad they couldn't get "The Lines" off the ground.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 10 June 2004 22:54 (nineteen years ago) link

"Even if I listen again and can be convinced it's decent to good."

Dan, it's way better than that! The guitar playing is consistently PERFECT, both tone-wise and in execution, in a surprising number of styles. The songwriting, both structurally and melodically, is unbelievable.

Tim Ellison, Friday, 11 June 2004 00:31 (nineteen years ago) link

not sure I follow what you mean, Chris...

ok, I'm ready to make an informed opinion now...

the ep has 4 songs, Glass Corridor, I.C.U., Desert Lights and The First Response.

Glass Corridor I like before the singing starts, it has an almost technicolor era Disco Inferno feel with the drum programming and guitars, but the rest I didn't like so much. I.C.U. has an arthur baker era new order feel, but the songwriting on all the songs does nothing for me.

I usually make really fast judgements on whether I like bands based on hooks and their ability to get under my skin right away. Most bands, this one included, aren't catchy enough to get past my pop radar, while the production, while intricate and obviously thought out and well-executed, sounds mostly uninspired. This is, of course, my humble opinion. I'd rank this over any number of recent bands who's music isn't nearly as interesting or ambitious, but not enough to be something I'd ever really listen to.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 11 June 2004 00:54 (nineteen years ago) link

It grew on me. But pretty fast. I played it, put it away and then kept going back to it. The hooks got me. What do you think of the Fever album, Dan? If you have heard it.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 11 June 2004 00:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Haven't heard the album...saw them open up for the Rapture at a halloween party at Johns St. Bar 2 years or so ago? Thought they were a lot of fun. They had a disco-punk thing going on, but also a Cars new wave thing going on, a Damned punk thing going on, and a glam thing going on, and put on a pretty fun show. I think I was just a sucker for the keyboard playing. OR I'm mixing them up with the Flesh. One of those bands I've never heard, the other fits the prior description. I actually thought their energy and sense of fun would be hard for the Rapture to follow up, but the Rapture put on one of the most kickass shows I've ever seen, all of them wearing gold leotard body suits, headbands and face glitter, opening with Rock N Roll Pt 2.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 11 June 2004 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Check out the Fever album, Dan. I think you might actually like it.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 11 June 2004 01:24 (nineteen years ago) link

They used to be called The Lines but nobody took them seriously.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 11 June 2004 02:39 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, I thought you were making some weird joke about The Lines, the late 70s early 80s uk post-punk band I am obsessed with and potentially working on 3 CDs compiling all of their material, released and unreleased!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 11 June 2004 03:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought the first few songs on Incomplete Triangle sounded like the Byrds if they had the technology of today.

oh god no. jesus wept.

i've given this record the old college try more than a few times, and i really can't come to any other conclusion. i think it's terrible, a mess - a bunch of disparate, rinky-dink parts patched together. being derivative is one thing... most people are. things don't just fall from the sky without prompting. at least do it with some style and enthusiasm, and decent production.

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 11 June 2004 03:45 (nineteen years ago) link

haha, re: byrds of he future: I admit that was ridiculous hyperbole. But they do sometimes of sound like Disco Inferno.

at least do it with some style

Ok so they are accused by Chris 'pitchfork' Ott of being pretentious art school wanks. Of being completly stylized w/o any substance. And now not having style. Hmmm. Can they be both?

christhamrin (christhamrin), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

They are all things to all people! I disagree about the production too (that Lauren had a problem with). I think it's great. Maybe they are a love/hate kinda band. It didn't really occur to me that they might be until this thread.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Scott, I'm thinking that "I.C.U." might actually be the most derivative song on the album. Very Depeche. It might be a shame that that is one of the songs on the four-song E.P. that Dan has.

And Dan, I don't think that the songs on that E.P. give any sense of the scope of the band (though the last one you mention isn't on the album and I haven't heard it).

Tim Ellison, Friday, 11 June 2004 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

can we discuss the anthemic crunchy driving stomp of the advancing flags please?

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the real reason i like this is that it is 12 songs whcih can be divided into 3 sets of 4 songs stylistically and this all appeals to my need for order that suggests (along w/some hand washing rituals) that I have a mild case of OCD.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link

can we discuss the anthemic crunchy driving stomp of the advancing flags please?

-- cutty (holle...), June 11th, 2004.

no.

ddb (ddb), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

"can we discuss the anthemic crunchy driving stomp of the advancing flags please?"

Yes. It's f***ing unprecedented and brilliant. That song is a good example of why I don't understand criticizing them for being derivative. The melody (and harmonies on the chorus) and the vocal harmonies are New Wave, but from where? Who does this rip off?

Tim Ellison, Friday, 11 June 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

By "harmonies on the chorus," I was referring to the chord progression, BTW.

Tim Ellison, Friday, 11 June 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

the little background vocal harmonies, the cymbal grab part.. ahh

ddb: why are you still reading this thread?

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Did they break up as someone claimed in a youtube comment (possibly just making unjustified assumptions)?

_Rockist__Scientist_, Thursday, 23 July 2009 21:34 (fourteen years ago) link

that's what I read, somewhere.

dan selzer, Friday, 24 July 2009 02:04 (fourteen years ago) link

were both guys masterminds behind the music or was there one mastermind? i mean, they started out as a design company, right? or makers of fashion installations or something.

scott seward, Friday, 24 July 2009 02:15 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't know but one or some of them are now Violens, who are very similar at times. From what I heard, a bit more on the 60s rock tip and less on the 80s new wave tip.

dan selzer, Friday, 24 July 2009 05:27 (fourteen years ago) link


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