ppl who keep bumping this thread are pathological vultures ime
thread got revived because some folks were wondering if she could even get it together to send an email list of articles that would've appeared in this thing. I doubt anyone expects to get a cent back from this boondoggle by this point. but, it would be nice to see what the articles were, so if there was something you didn't know, you could check it out? Wasn't that the whole point of this venture: to highlight good writing?
― col, Saturday, 9 November 2013 00:01 (ten years ago) link
If Daphne couldn't handle the admittedly hard job of putting the book together on the budget she had, she should have said so much sooner and returned people's money. Calling her on that and on her failure to simply post or email the list of highlighted articles after saying she would do so, does not make one a vulture.
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 9 November 2013 20:05 (ten years ago) link
curmudgeon, just link to the piece you wrote and stop
― obie stompin' moby (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 9 November 2013 20:56 (ten years ago) link
at least Amanda Palmer came through on her kickstarter promises
― sarahell, Saturday, 9 November 2013 20:58 (ten years ago) link
whiney otm
― my whole family is catholic so look at the pickle i'm in (zachlyon), Saturday, 9 November 2013 21:02 (ten years ago) link
― curmudgeon, Saturday, November 9, 2013 3:05 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
does make one pathological tho
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 9 November 2013 21:13 (ten years ago) link
i have a strong feeling about how weird it is that people have strong feelings over whether others should feel aggrieved or not for losing money
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 9 November 2013 21:14 (ten years ago) link
that sounds a bit pathological of you, J0rdan
― sarahell, Saturday, 9 November 2013 21:15 (ten years ago) link
hmm
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 9 November 2013 21:18 (ten years ago) link
getting up the hopes of a bunch of critics with the prospect that it may now be THEIR turn to receive praise and then not following through is like a perfect recipe for internet furor
― some dude, Saturday, 9 November 2013 21:53 (ten years ago) link
i would have been really really sad. i sent something to them. so, in retrospect, kinda glad they didn't need it. though they should have needed it. it was wonderful.
― scott seward, Saturday, 9 November 2013 21:59 (ten years ago) link
^tbf crowd-funding isn't the same as investing because you will not share in any eventual profits (if there were profits which obv i very much doubt in this case)
true. anyway sorry i got mad everyone!
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 10 November 2013 00:35 (ten years ago) link
Crowd funding is kinda weird, seems to work best with music because it's pretty much like doing a preorder and if you like a band's songs it's pretty easy to expect that they can record them decently if they raise a modest amount
Stuff like this or video games is still kind of crazy to me. Literally a million things can go wrong with a game, even people that have shipped product before, and half these kick starters are really green developers
― lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 10 November 2013 01:14 (ten years ago) link
yeah books and albums seem so much more simple to develop and produce than video games on every single level
― some dude, Sunday, 10 November 2013 01:23 (ten years ago) link
the thing about kickstarter is that at the low contribution levels it doesn't really make sense for the producer(s) to have to make a whole bunch of things (stickers, shirts etc etc) aside from whatever the product is that's being sold
it's a good idea in theory and obv it works enough to not be a total disaster but in the wrong hands that model is a clear path to super delayed timelines and/or going underwater on the main project
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 10 November 2013 04:33 (ten years ago) link
i think it makes sense to offer something above and beyond the original product for a three or four figure donation (depending on what's being sold)
but like... if you're donating <50 or whatever for something, you should basically just be happy with getting whatever it is and throwing in some extra cash just to make sure the plan comes to fruition
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 10 November 2013 04:35 (ten years ago) link
While I understand caring more about the person behind this project than the project (lord knows I do), let alone the bucks you gave to both, I don't get mocking people who cared enough about that long-running project to voice their frustration on the internet when the person behind it (who worked on it for years) lets it die in such an ignominious, protracted and embarrassing way. Like, did you really care that little about the thing she spent years working on? Were you just pretending to like it? Is it so hard to grasp that not everyone who knew about it was a personal acquaintance of hers and therefore they might be less than sympathetic about multiple missed deadlines and extreme lengths of radio silence? Is dismissing those people as "folks who can't shut up about their $20" really the way to go here? This is a sad situation, and sneering at people openly let down by it only makes it sadder.
― da croupier, Sunday, 10 November 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link
this isn't all at jordan, just a general disappointment with the "let's support daphne by not giving two fucks about the thing she worked on for years and mocking those who do" line of thinking
― da croupier, Sunday, 10 November 2013 16:21 (ten years ago) link
the idea that she hasn't apologized enough or experienced enough public embarrassment or promised recompensation enough yet is a little hard to get behind at this point.
― some dude, Sunday, 10 November 2013 16:47 (ten years ago) link
sd, the last two revives are people voicing annoyance that a list promised to arrive in September is nowhere to be seen. No one is asking for another apology, more public embarrassment and more promises of recompensation. When people open a thread to say "this album sucks!" we don't say "omg, do you want blood you vulture!?"
― da croupier, Sunday, 10 November 2013 16:58 (ten years ago) link
really disingenuous interpretation of my position there but cool. basically one dude bumping this thread every once in a while to update us all on whether or not daphne emailed him back = gross and terrible behavior imo. anyway
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 10 November 2013 17:04 (ten years ago) link
the outrage was over-the-top to begin with -- if it looks like people are starting to poke the cooling embers with a stick to start a new fire over her mea culpa peace offering also being tardy and insufficient, i dunno, i think it's fair to tell those people to calm the fuck down.
― some dude, Sunday, 10 November 2013 17:07 (ten years ago) link
i was speaking to the broader wagon-circle than any specific defense, but naturally that leads to "are you talking about me/are you talking about a strawman" complaints, which are fair, and i apologize. But as much as I like Daphne there's no denying this continues to be ugly and sad, and the kind of thing people would normally get raked over the coals for on ILX, and I don't like when the defense basically becomes "if you care about Best Music Writing you are sad, get over it."
― da croupier, Sunday, 10 November 2013 17:10 (ten years ago) link
not to mention the issues with "if you care about the money you gave you are sad, get over it"
― da croupier, Sunday, 10 November 2013 17:11 (ten years ago) link
is anyone saying that
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 10 November 2013 17:13 (ten years ago) link
if someone repeatedly calling out Daphne for her repeated false promises bothers folks so much they could not read or comment on the thread. But telling someone they should not be aggrieved is a worse look than their repeated posting on the status (or non-status) of her latest failure to deliver.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 10 November 2013 17:13 (ten years ago) link
yes. scroll up, read twitter.
― da croupier, Sunday, 10 November 2013 17:14 (ten years ago) link
BMW is a nice idea and it was laudable for her to attempt to bring it back to life after the original company already declared it not a viable business. but at the end of the day it was just republishing things that have already been published with a bit of curatorial prestige for the benefit of the writers and readers alike. the nature of the project leads me to a "woulda been nice, ah well" conclusion quicker than if it was, say, something a bunch of people had already written a bunch of new stuff for that was now not going to ever be published or paid for.
― some dude, Sunday, 10 November 2013 17:16 (ten years ago) link
Sorry I used repeated;y/repeated/repeated so much in that post. My thesaurus must be broken.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 10 November 2013 17:16 (ten years ago) link
The glass-half-full side of me thinks that if we let this thread die, then maybe without so much pressure, she'll deliver a statement that's fully cognizant of what she's capable of delivering and maybe even that list and those refunds.
The glass-half-empty side thinks, looking back at all this, ehh, probably not.
― Murgatroid, Sunday, 10 November 2013 17:36 (ten years ago) link
quick question and honestly not looking to add fire to this: does anyone care enough about this project to want to take the baton and run with it?
― there's no camera to capture that yelping moment! (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 10 November 2013 23:03 (ten years ago) link
Forks
― obie stompin' moby (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 10 November 2013 23:44 (ten years ago) link
WhineyForks E-Pub Limited
― scott seward, Monday, 11 November 2013 00:37 (ten years ago) link
Maybe dude from Animal Collective has some free time
― lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 November 2013 02:41 (ten years ago) link
amanda palmer seems to have a grasp of this kickstarter thing
― lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Monday, 11 November 2013 03:17 (ten years ago) link
M@tt for thread MVP
― smoking, drinking, cracking and showing the MIDDLE FINGER (DJP), Monday, 11 November 2013 03:36 (ten years ago) link
silly question I know but has anyone seen the list of selections that she promised for last September?
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Monday, 20 January 2014 16:10 (ten years ago) link
aaaaaahahahahahha
In the meantime, another writer compiled this list for RBMA: http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/magazine/best-music-journalism-2013-jason-gross
I don't agree with more than a few of the picks, but if you really want an aggregated list of music writing from last year...
― Murgatroid, Monday, 20 January 2014 16:12 (ten years ago) link
it is now 2014. is it even remotely possible anyone will care about the best music writing in 2012 anymore?
― lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 03:39 (ten years ago) link
in 2022 the anniversary-driven internet content economy will probably be primed for it
― Algerian Horsebeater (some dude), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 03:42 (ten years ago) link
Bear in mind that the 2012 edition actually collects writing from 2011.
― Mark, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 04:24 (ten years ago) link
Damn, I made Jason's list!
― Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 04:42 (ten years ago) link
congrats
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 14:01 (ten years ago) link
Thanks
I'd have liked to be singled out for something less experimental and more analytic/journalistic, but still, cool
― Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 14:46 (ten years ago) link
I didn't believe it when she promised the list of selected writing would appear in first week of September - because I don't believe it ever will be delivered.
― Edward Bax, Friday, 20 June 2014 05:54 (nine years ago) link
who the fuck cares
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 20 June 2014 06:01 (nine years ago) link
2012 was like a decade ago it doesn't matter.
― everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 17:58 (nine years ago) link