"It's The End Of The World As We Know It" vs. "We Didn't Start The Fire": which is more annoying, and why?

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Spandau's 'Through The Barricades'

That was never a hit here so when I first heard it I was all 'What the...martial drums, what IS all this?'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

TROUBLE IN THE SUUUUUUUUUUUEZ!

He also did a (in hindsight) very very questionable "slave auction" during our CIvil War chapter....other students could buy other students and make them carry their books and stuff....I was a slave...it was supposed to make us think about slavery in a new way, he said, but it seems very inappropirate in hindsight.

the wierd thing was that the slave auction used this paper money that he made....the money was small photocopies of 10 dollar bils but replaced the picture with Willie Nelson....our teacher was a huge huge Willie fan...had a picture of him up in the classroom.....

This sounds like the lyrics of Boceaphus' "If the South Woulda Won" come to life.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

This sounds like the lyrics of Boceaphus' "If the South Woulda Won" come to life

yeah except this was Minnesota...and I don't think he was like racist...just clueless...honestly he wasn't a bad guy....HS wrestling coach....His Willie obsession was HUGE though.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Someone named Helgeson from Minnesota? Get out of here!

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Whereas REM just make you want to kill them before that spindly cunt of a lead singer even has a chance to start whining.
-- Neil Kulkarni

neilkulkarniinamouthingoffmatchyeahyeahyeahyeah
dubioususeof"you"inthatsentencetoo
btwloveyourwritingingeneralnoreally

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

What would happen if we were all together in a room and We Didn't Start The Fire was playing on repeat for 36 hours and we couldn't get out or turn it off? Concussions galore!

Seriously, although both songs are nearly equally as repulsive now, the REM was at LEAST somewhat bearable when it came out.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

The REM song is still one of the half-dozen best songs they ever did, or at least one of the half-dozen that I liked. Doing a "Subterranean Homesick Blues" rewrite freed Stipe from even the pretense of writing lyrics that "meant" something (good) so you could enjoy 'em just for the SOUND. (And I'm still not sure whether Stipe sings "Turn 'em into turn 'em into turn 'em into flies!" OR "Tournament of tournament of tournament of lies!", as if it makes any difference.) Plus it was still cool to namecheck Lester Bangs in '87.

I've defended certain Billy Joel works here in the past, but "We Didn't Start The Fire" is just unspeakable, esp. the video (which I've never even seen in full, just clips & stills; but as George Bernard Shaw said, "You don't have to eat a whole egg to know it's rotten.")

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

"Fire" introduced the phrase "space monkey mafia" into the lexicon, so it deserves some points for that.

bruno ponce-jones, Monday, 21 February 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

His Willie obsession was HUGE though.

didn't that make the locker room a little awkward?

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

hat's great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes, Harry Truman, Doris Day, an aeroplane and Lenny Bruce is not afraid.
Red China, Johnnie Ray
South Pacific, eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn - Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio, world serves its own needs, television dummy serve your own needs.
Feed it off an aux speak, Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker - grunt, no, strength, North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe, Ladder start to clatter with fear fight down height.
Wire in a fire, Rosenbergs, H-Bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom representing seven games, a government for hire and a combat site.
Left of west and Brando, "The King and I", and "The Catcher in the Rye", coming in a hurry with the furies breathing down your neck.

Eisenhower, vaccine, England's got a new queen, team by team reporters baffled, trumped, tethered cropped.
Look at that low playing! Fine, then.
Uh oh, overflow, population, common food, but it'll do.
Save yourself, serve yourself.
World serves its own needs, Marciano, Liberace, listen to your heart bleed dummy with the rapture and the revered and the right, right.
You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright light, feeling pretty psyched. Santayana goodbye.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 21 February 2005 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link

didn't that make the locker room a little awkward?

hahahah

Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 21 February 2005 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Someone named Helgeson from Minnesota? Get out of here!

UFF DA!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 21 February 2005 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

HUSKER DU, WHICH IN NORWEGIAN MEANS, DO YOU REMEMBER?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 February 2005 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

WHERE ALL THE WOMEN ARE STRONG, ALL THE MEN ARE GOOD LOOKING, AND ALL THE CHILDREN ARE ABOVE-AVERAGE!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 21 February 2005 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Racist. Oh wait.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 February 2005 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyway, come on, dude, Arcwelder/Odds tour. You know it will rock Brainerd.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 February 2005 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

not realy the same thing, but:

"We Didn't Start the Fire" >>> "1985"

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 21 February 2005 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

ANA VOOG IS SLEEPING!!!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 21 February 2005 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

"End of the World" is worse. At least Billy Joel had the good sense to retire.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 21 February 2005 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

And there is NOTHING AT ALL cool with Lester Bangs or namechecking Lester Bangs.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 21 February 2005 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

lester bangs is not afraid

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 21 February 2005 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

ha :)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 21 February 2005 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Joel is more annoying as his is a proper List Song, and one dominated by infuriatingly overfamiliar Americentric boomerisms. At that instant he when rhymes 'Marilyn Monroe' with 'Joe DiMaggio', I MUST KILL.

REM's is not really a list song, but a song cunningly delivered like a list!! Looks like the main listing bit is "Leonard Bernstein, Leonid Breshnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs", grouped together for no better reason (??) than they share the initials LB!!! Which is borderline classic.

OR MAYBE: Breshnev > Khrushchev

the bio professor who heralded each test in her class with Kenny Loggins' "Danger Zone," so as to alert us to the incipient worry of an exam.

This is just utterly superb Ned.

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Monday, 21 February 2005 23:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I also had a teacher who used "We Didn't Start The Fire" to demonstrate what hip, fun, different kind of teacher he was. He (my AP American History teacher) gave extra credit to anyone who could flawlessly recite the lyrics to the song in front of the class.

He also used to act out these weird sniper fantasies about people he hated. He would crouch down, hold his wooden pointer like a gun, and then simultaneously make a gunshot noise and lift the pointer up slightly to emulate the recoil. He did this several times throughout the year.

Lingbertt, Monday, 21 February 2005 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

The answer to the question is Hello by The Beloved.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't believe that someone could possibly conceive of a universe where REM at their WOST could even begin the reach the heights of bloody-minded shittiness that Billy Joel seems to hit without even breaking a sweat.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 02:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, my 8'th grade teacher made our class do a paper on the events in "We Didn't Start the Fire" too. Must of been published in the "Teacher's Journal of Annoying the Hell Out of Your Students." Seriously though, writing a paper on every part of that song with make you hate it so much.

That REM song ain't so bad, but played too much so now it's just crap to me. "Stand is much better! Ha!

Zombie Lisa, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 03:11 (nineteen years ago) link

My crazy typing class teacher made us practice our keyboard skills (on MANUAL typewriters you young whippersnappers) to "Mellow Yellow" by Donovan, and "Spicks And Specks" by the Bee Gees...so getting to do an analysis of "We Didn't Start The Fire" is getting off pretty lightly if you ask me. The horror..

Back to the topic, much as I love Billy Joel, his song SUCKS ASS. But please allow me to be the first to bring the Simpsons into this thread...how can you talk about "It's The End Of The World.." and not mention this:

Leonoid whatsis name, Herman Munster Motorcade;
Birthday party cheetos, pogo sticks and lemonade;
You symbiotic stupid jerk,
That's right Flanders, I am talking about you!

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I love "It's The End Of The World As We Know It" without reservations. I sang it with a live karaoke band tonight and totally fucked up in the middle of each verse, completely losing track of where I was in the measure. But it was fun!

Every time I hear "We Didn't Start The Fire" I just want Billy Joel to be singing "Kevin Percy Kevin Percy Kevin Percy Kevin Percy Kevin Percy Kevin Percy Keving Percy Kevin Percy Kevin Percy Kevin Percy" etc.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 05:54 (nineteen years ago) link

R.E.M. has stopped playing that song in their live sets,

But only on this tour, though. They played it as the final song of the night on nearly every night of three consecutive world tours, and it was a set staple on the Green and Document tours.

Also, it was the first song at the Madison Square Garden show last year the day after Bush won a second term.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 05:57 (nineteen years ago) link

R.E.M. = Retarded Eeel Murderers

B.i.l.l.y. J.o.e.l. = Big Idiotic Lazy Larcenous Yapper Jumping On Eel Lovers

Sporf, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 09:16 (nineteen years ago) link

matt you've heard yo la tengo's "we didn't start the fire" from the fmu telethon last year yeah? everytime the 'cortez the killer' part comes in i lose my shit.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 09:22 (nineteen years ago) link

No, I missed last year's YLT marathon show!

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm so happy that this thread is thriving!

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

aargh matt you HAFTA find this/dl it - best marathon yet imho. LOTS of fun per usual.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"We Didn't Start the Fire" is annoying, "It's the End of the World as We Know It" isn't, therefore...

Thunder Kitten, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh but it is.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.sunsquashed.com/cgi-bin/mp3.cgi

i don't even like Yo La Tengo much, but a friend made me listen to their live version of We Didn't Start the Fire (at the very end of the show linked to above) which J Blount mentioned, and i thought it was a truely brilliant and funny performance.

slb3, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

"We Didn't Start the Fire" isn't as annoying as "It's the End of the World as We Know It".

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Personally speaking, I find Joel's song just kinda desperate in a sort've "Look, I'm still relevant! Let's hear it for the `boomers!" sorta way (in the same cloying way as the Police's irritattingly self-congratulatory "Born in the 50's"). "It's the End of the World as We Know It," meanwhile, just comes across as fuckin' smug and pretentious (''oooh...look at how many public figures with the initials L.B. I can name!") That's nice that you feel fine about it, Michael, but I DIDN'T ASK! Fuck those guys.

And giving shoutouts to Lester Bangs is not exactly ground-breaking.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link

But, back to Joel for a second....

"JFK, BLOWN AWAY..WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE TO SAY?"

Well, maybe YOUR POINT? I mean, simply citing the Kennedy was assassinated....and? Where do you stand on that issue, William? Pro? Against? Am I supposed to fetch you a hanky after you went to the trouble of living through such an experience? Get the fuck over yourself.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

"It's the End of the World as We Know It" is a joke, "We Didn't Start The Fire" isn't.
"It's the End of the World as We Know It" wins.

dan. (dan.), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan may have a point, there. I don't believe R.E.M intended their song to be taken so very deathly seriously, whereas Joel seems to so trying to make some sort've oh-so-earnest statement........like a dick.

http://www2.msstate.edu/~els4/billyjoelvideopic.gif

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh god, that video...

dan. (dan.), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

It's The End of the World... is a great song....

Billy Joel is a ham-fisted choad. always has been always will be.*

*although I've always really dug Pressure and Allentown....I'm a Nylon Curtain kinda guy!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I so love the word "choad".

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

R.E.M. has stopped playing that song in their live sets

No, they just changed the words to something about a Bad Day.

which is more annoying, and why?

This is like asking people to choose between different shades of shit.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm quite happy to choose between those. Worst = red (I have never experienced this but it might indicate something as serious as cancer, or bilharzia), followed by yellow and then black.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

No, they just changed the words to something about a Bad Day.

Actually, they haven't been playing that one much either. They were playing both every night on the 2003 tour.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Interestingly, they've been revisiting a lot of Monster/Hi Fi era music in the past few weeks.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Terrified by that ellipsis and the suggestion that he went through each year of the song in the same droning fashion. "...the pill, that was birth control. The Vietnam War - Ho Chi Minh. The '68 election, Richard Nixon back again..."

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 19 May 2013 00:41 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

Milo Greene Is The Joel Machine

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 16:47 (ten years ago) link

ten years pass...

Matt H's history class story is incredible

very sneaky cis (symsymsym), Thursday, 29 June 2023 04:14 (eleven months ago) link


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