'Loathsome New Yorkers'?: Strokes, Nas, Jay-Z & Patti Smith

clearly 'mccarthy-ist' is a fair measure of the hard-talk coming from the bush administration, especially after 911 and expecially in the pro-war propoganda double standards (like the parading of iraqi POWs on u.s. tv) -- it's a term for the atmosphere towards perceived un-patriotic behaviour -- so it doesn't have much to do with the rest of the list, so what ?

the list itself is as much fashion as fact, as you'd expect from weekend papers -- i don't think the list on smith (as completely reprinted in the header to this thread) has anything particularly informed, interesting, new or revealing to say, but the i wouldn't have expected anything better from an editorial smear sheet masqerading as a somehow "informed" or "anecdotal" "poll"

maybe people do like her elsewhere more than in her hometown -- it still has resonance for people, and people still like her '70s work for what it did -- the supposedly credible female rock message most people i know are bored with is kim gordon's -- in this part of the world, patti smith hasn't overstayed her welcome -- she's an american who seen as not afraid to criticise the generic patriotism that often seems to be the root cause of the bad stuff america does (stuff like "home of the brave" or [america is the greatest democracy in the world])

the way i see things, the ny post finding another new take on john cage is a much greater example of old rope, but then you'd expect me to be bored with gordon and cage wouldn't you ? but america "putting the world to right" invading one country and ignoring the 50 year old human rights abuses and un resolutions relating to just-about neighnour israel is worse than boring -- and the u.s. media is complicit in this !

smith being anti-war is nothing if not consistent -- america turning on her when convenient and lumping her in with what look to be really quite bad people however.., jeez, why do you think it so easy for iraqi people to distrust the u.s., and for them to believe the real motivation is zionist ?

does gosset still post here?

Bashing Yoko Ono is pretty much as lame as it gets. Sure she's a bit loopy sometimes but pick other targets PLEASE!

I heard Yoko Ono had a piece in MOMA that was a camera pointed at the sky outside going to a TV. If that's true, I really don't mind if she gets made fun of, that's the most didactic bullshit I've ever encountered.

How is that didactic?

How is that didactic?

Even though it's not explicit, it just seems like a terribly heavy handed way of saying 'go outside.' Maybe there's more to it, but ughha.

Actually I read about it and it says it's about looking at the sky for hope or something? I don't have a problem with Yoko, I'm not familiar with her at all, that just seems really inane to me.

Yeah, but her pop albums kill!

I heard Yoko Ono had a piece in the MOMA..

I heard Yoko Ono drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls.

I heard Yoko Ono drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls.

Whatever, man! I've got more important things to do than argue, like apply more lip balm.

"I heard Yoko Ono drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls."

I heard she broke up the Rolling Stones.