Rolling 2006 Hip Hop Thread

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Also, shamefully, I still have not heard Field Mob's album from this year. I loved the first two, so it's dumb I haven't heard the new one. I guess I got the idea people weren't liking it as much, though.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 01:40 (seventeen years ago) link

(And I need to get back to E-40's album again one of these days. I liked it a lot at first, then never made it through the thing again.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 01:42 (seventeen years ago) link

now we're rolling

i think E-40 is a big fat dud

am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 02:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah the E-40 didn't move me v. much. And xhuxk, I think you're right; "the Charm" is kind of dull (esp. as a followup to the GREAT Deliverance [well, the first half is great; the second is kind of middling]) on first listen, but it's a grower for me (and "Ms. New Booty" is a classic afaic)... also I neglected to mention the great mixtapes out there by the Clipse and lil Wayne and killer mike &c.

p.s. nah right has the title track from nas's "hip hop is dead," and it's... good? i think? its the bass from "thief's theme." i need to listen to it more.

max (maxreax), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 02:56 (seventeen years ago) link

i like the nas. prod. by will.i.am, who is actually getting to be more and more interesting (not this track specifically, which is just inna-gadda-da-vidamatic, just in general). esco not blazing any trails, but who listens to nas to hear the future of rap? i dont really get where he's coming from ("if hip hop should die before i wake" = hip hop's not dead yet? but then the old singing dude is all "hip hop died this morning") and am not exactly enthusiastic about the whole "everybody sound the same/commercialize the game/reminiscing when it wasn't all business/it forgot where it started" because, DUDE, have you heard the intro to "life's a bitch" aka, it was all abt. business for you too. couple good lines--"most intellectuals will only half-listen." still. dude can spit.


ts: "roll to every station/murder the dj" vs. "hang the dj hang the dj hang the dj"

max (maxreax), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 03:13 (seventeen years ago) link

they were the three best hip-hop albums i heard! what, you want me to lie or something?

haha well at this point the notion that your taste is simply an empirical judgement of the "best" is crazier than your never ending jones for crunk (which, granted, is probably as good as or better than most of the trends/subgenres that have dominated Southern rap for the past 2 years), so I'll just let it go.

this has definitely been an solid year for good-not-great rap albums that were just blips on the mainstream radar. I liked Field Mob, Ray Cash, Rhymefest, The Roots, Remy Ma, DJ Khaled, Shawnna, all stuff that's flawed or inconsistent in obvious ways but yielded at least a few keepers. haven't even begun to catch up on some of the more hyped/'important' albums or leaks of big 4th quarter stuff.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 03:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't like "Bojangles" much, too blary maybe, basically all the parts of "Mentirosa" I wasn't feeling as much intensified. Maybe I'm just over Lil' Jon.

If I don't like "Bojangles" will I like the new Pitbull album? NB. Money Is Still a Major Issue is a favourite at my place.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 03:20 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah "Bojangles" is awful, kinda killed my anticipation for the album until I started hearing positive buzz about the rest of the record

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 03:25 (seventeen years ago) link

bo janglin'

am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 05:30 (seventeen years ago) link

The first 3/4ths of that E-40 record were great. That second single was so terrible though.

Someone get Xhuck off TVT's mailing list!

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

has anyone heard this supposedly-great new jay-z freestyle? i'm excited to hear it.

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

2006 was a great year for making hip hop albums into EPs. press play, king trae, e40, all these albums are STUNNING eps.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Al, this is probably your most asinine hatorade to date. By your logic, one's 3 favorite albums would have to feature the word "Yung" on the front cover to not be considered a desperate attempt to cling to a moment from two or more years ago.

TVT is awesome, btw (as are the Pitbull - whose new album way more reggaeton than crunk - and Crunk Hits 2 comps [haven't heard Youngbloodz, in no rush]). More labels should have their enthusiasm for freelancers.

Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I can think of at most 2-3 tracks I would cut from King & Trae's albums, which still leaves both at album length.

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Fuck EPs, quite a few CDs this year deserve to be a whole 45-minute LP!

x-post

Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Crunk Hits 2 is good I guess if you don't really pay attention to rap but the vast majority of those songs were all over the place!

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Even if you "really pay attention to rap," it's nice to have them all in one place. A place that isn't a radio, a webstream or a bloated-ass solo artist CD.

Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean I really have no interest in hearing "Ms. New Booty" again at any point. I guess these comps will be more significant as the years pass, giving you a snapshot of the time or whatever.

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

God forbid critics praise durability.

Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

A CD ready-made for time capsules

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

im tired of albums. id like more EPs. yeah, im probably being a little harsh in making king, ghetto report card, etc only eps but i dont think ive ever been able to sit through them all in one sitting. esp the e40 album. all those girly tracks at the end really dont need to be there.

speaking of TVT (xpost) what happened to the lil jon album? i really liked the single earlier this year (in spite of the blatant snap bandwagoneering)

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

haha i didn't realize songs about you have no respect for the women who blow you are "girly."

Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I think they held up the Lil Jon album so they could do more "rock" tracks. Shades of Spymob, hot.

Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link

lil jon needs to quit crunk rock and work with some b-more club producers considering how much hes been sampled by them. if hes into gogo i reckon hed be into bmore club too. its a perfect match IMO!

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

The 2 or 3 joints i've heard off the new Z-Ro, unfortunately, are a little gay. This is especially disappointing because "let the truth be told" was so good, because Trae absolutely kilt shit with "restless" and because this will probably be Z-Ro's last cd.

I heard its a J Prince cash-in record, Z-Ro's been in jail.

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Meaning a cut and paste job.

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, he said in an interview that he recorded almost a full albums worth of material before he began his bid so i'm hoping the tracks out there are just the cut-and-paste post-incarceration ones. Cut-and-paste isn't neccessarily bad but the beats on these ones are really lame.

There's one over the "paid in full" beat again (like "mo city don") but with that Spandau Ballet sample Nelly used on that single of his over the top of that. It sucks shit.

On the subject of Lil' Jon he produced what's probably the best single of the year so far : "blow the whistle"

Dimehitter Dwayne Hosey (dwaynehosey), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

xhuxh kinda OTM abt Big Apple Rappin bein the best hip-hop release this year, sad to say.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Al, this is probably your most asinine hatorade to date. By your logic, one's 3 favorite albums would have to feature the word "Yung" on the front cover to not be considered a desperate attempt to cling to a moment from two or more years ago.

well, like I said, my message wasn't really "get with the times, man!" because it's not like the last 2 years have yielded a whole lot of obviously superior mainstream hip hop (especially in terms of party/club rap), I'm definitely more tired of (sn/tr)ap music now than I ever was of crunk. but if you can't see anything funny or worth criticizing about repping Crunk Hits 2 and three albums by Lil Jon collaborators as the 4 best (not even favorite...BEST) hip hop albums this year has to offer (with the caveat that he hasn't heard the fucking "Chicken Noodle Soup" album), then I'm not going to hold your hand and explain it, and if you can see it but want to play xhuxk's advocate or pretend I'm simply advocating this year's worst trends as the only option because they're newer, then I'm not going to bother either.

lil jon needs to quit crunk rock and work with some b-more club producers considering how much hes been sampled by them. if hes into gogo i reckon hed be into bmore club too. its a perfect match IMO!

ehhh. his shouts are just a popular soundbyte for Baltimore club music, like DMX or Mystikal were a few years ago, I don't necessarily think Lil Jon's hand-on participation with the genre would be any good, he'd probably just fail miserably at branding it "the new crunk" the same way he did with Hyphy.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link

On the subject of Lil' Jon he produced what's probably the best single of the year so far : "blow the whistle"

With you on this, my favorite Lil Jon tracks are ones where he's not trying to be Lil Jon

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Deej's "get chuck off the TVT list!" crack was a lot on-point and funnier and less anklebiting than anything you said, re: 2004.

x-post: the Too Short track?

Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Blow teh whistle

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bCBGfx-c_7w

Dimehitter Dwayne Hosey (dwaynehosey), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

The best part about the Chicken Noddle Soup song was when dude yells "CHICKEN!" "NOODLE!"

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

This looks pretty good, to me even:

Callaloo, v.29:3

R_S (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Awwwwww.

http://xxlmag.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/weezykiss.jpg

clotpoll (Clotpoll), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Deej's "get chuck off the TVT list!" crack was a lot on-point and funnier and less anklebiting than anything you said, re: 2004.

yeah, it occurred to me that I would've been better off just quoting the post I originally responded to with a gif of the aforementioned "crunk ain't dead" chain. sometimes I forget that treating ILM like anything other than a quipping contest is a fool's game, so I'm glad you're around to remind me by holding up scorecards.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, my favorite rap of the year is Blog 27's "Hey Boy" (which copies Teddybears Sthlm's rap), lip synched charmingly by Gang Oscypa here. So what year am I living in?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i wuz gonna say "tha carter II ppl!" but then clotpoll posted that pic and messed my head up

am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link

So new Nas=BLOOZ SAMPLING RENAISSANCE?

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link

http://download.yousendit.com/21B03B8C0AFBA107

some horrorcore & other shit i mixed together 4 halloween

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 23:50 (seventeen years ago) link

4 best (not even favorite...BEST)

so...what's the difference again?

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 03:08 (seventeen years ago) link

sometimes I forget that treating ILM like anything other than a quipping contest is a fool's game

I don't see how telling Chuck he's got lame and/or dated taste for liking TVT pop-rap is not part of the "quipping contest." It is definitely a "fool's game," though.

Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 03:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Ethan, if you ever decide to make a mailing list for your mixes and blends, put me on it.

Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 03:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, I didn't put any effort into expressing my opinion in a witty or playful way (which I admitted was probably my mistake), so yeah, wasn't really quipping at all. Now I'm just splitting hairs, though, forget it.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 03:53 (seventeen years ago) link

So the beat on that new Clipse song is pretty crazy, huh?

First time I heard it I thought it was just an intro, and then I was like "oh, really?"

Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

"If I don't like "Bojangles" will I like the new Pitbull album?"

yes, tim! it's really good. way better than m.i.a.m.i. in every way.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 5 November 2006 04:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, that makes me enthused again. Plus I love the album cover.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 5 November 2006 05:49 (seventeen years ago) link

it's good, but I don't know if it's better than M.I.A.M.I., and it's definitely not "way more reggaeton than crunk" as Zwan said, there's not a single reggaeton track on there.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Sunday, 5 November 2006 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link

So XXL and Blender have now given Hell Hath their respective highest possible reviews (though the Blender review is fucking AWFUL). Anyone here heard it yet?

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 6 November 2006 00:33 (seventeen years ago) link

hoosteen otm

and what (ooo), Monday, 6 November 2006 00:45 (seventeen years ago) link


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