Cocteau Twins : Classic or Dud

http://www.ambitious-outsiders.com/images/lineup05.jpg

my heart just broke

I have only heard Heaven Or Las Vegas. Wouldn't say classic, because I have to be in the right mood for her *glossolalia*. But it sure is pretty music.

There must be UK dates, surely.

mdma

together

As for possible artistic directions, I could imagine a piece driven by Fripp Soundscape and Frisell Loops with electro-acoustic drum work By Pat Mastelloto, some electronically treated harmonized trumept lines by Nils Petter Molvaer, some excentric fretless bass work by Mick Karn and, beautiful piano/synth treatments courtesy of Ryuichi Sakamoto. I could think of may other possible directions, but this is just off the top of my head. All in all I still think she has the potential to surpass even the greatest cocteau twins moments, given the right environment.

I JUST RIPPED MILK & KISSES TO MY IPOD THEREFORE I RULE OKEETHNCXBYEEY

underrated album, that

The last one I bought was Four Calendar Cafe, but I think I heard Milk & Kisses once. Perhaps I should seek it out again.

"Violaine" is one of my favorite late-period Cocteau songs -- it stands up to the best of Heaven or Las Vegas, easily

This is the one Cocteau Twins album I actually had sex to.

intentionally?

Oh my god if Cocteaus could ever forgive you

Meanie!

Tell the X Mal Deutschland fans to go fuck it all.

Cocteaus happiness.
Quisquose.

I'm gonna sic the vinyl on your ass. I'm trying to peaceful, but...
sorry.

EAT THE VINYL

EAT IT

Oh shit

In a certain celebrity mailout this appeared...

'The reason the Cocteau Twins' comeback last year didn't happen is because even though Robin Guthrie and Liz Fraser had put their differences to the side (clue - £££££) Liz insisted that her partner be the drummer on the tour. Fine.

All was going well until Robin got pissed, looked through the tour expenses and saw that Liz's partner was getting paid a bit more than the other hired hands. He went batshit mental, rang up Liz and told her that this was outrageous and that he shouldn't even be getting paid AT ALL as Liz was making money and so her partner "didn't need to be paid".

Liz basically said (in indecipherable made-up language no doubt) she couldn't take this and if Robin was kicking off even before the tour started, it could only get worse. So she walked and that was it - reunion over. She apparently walked away from "millions".

Good for her.

I can understand being annoyed that he's making MORE than others but not getting paid AT ALL? Fuck that.

Not getting paid at all, says an anonymous secondhand source.

Yeah there's an obvious grain of salt there but still.

Give 'em a couple more years when they need to pay their mortgages, they'll come around.

I wouldn't be surprised if that was actually Guthrie's reaction. He always came across as socially retarded.

A story on Ms. Fraser in the Guardian the other day:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/nov/26/cocteau-twins-elizabeth-fraser-interview

And we do all grow older:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Music/Pix/pictures/2009/11/26/1259231936986/Elizabeth-Fraser-Cocteau--001.jpg

Looks v. elegant!

She's been offered sums "beyond your wildest dreams" to collaborate with other artists – "the weirdest one was Linkin Park"

The hell.

The new song sadly sounds too much like Gotan Project but her voice is still awesome.

Which is all you need, really. (Well, maybe.)

Article's a little wrong at points when it comes to her musical silence -- for instance, she appeared (briefly) on the first two Lord of the Rings film scores, as apparently both Howard Shore and Fran Welsh were major Cocteaus fans, and she's specifically namechecked by both of them in the DVD documentaries, etc. etc.

And of course this was beautiful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRq7FxiSmxY

I'll take any excuse to repost this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaOlNfC8_xQ

She's been offered sums "beyond your wildest dreams" to collaborate with other artists – "the weirdest one was Linkin Park"

LOL just saw this.

I'll take any excuse to repost this:

The...hell.

Article's a little wrong at points when it comes to her musical silence -- for instance, she appeared (briefly) on the first two Lord of the Rings film scores

Yeah I noticed that error too, his claim she "only" did the Massive Attack album. Crap! She also worked with FSOL, Yann Tiersen, and Peter Gabriel (her work on the Millenium Dome album is lovely).

Is her single available somewhere online, the RT website or something?

Oh and she did that gorgeous song with the Bathers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbPhJPY1iKc

Hahaha that Cocteau Madness video is amazing.

Reading back through the thread it seems like "not liking Cocteau Twins" was the mid 80s/early 90s equivalent of "not liking Radiohead".

Actually maybe it still is.

Really? I rarely come across people who vehemently dislike them or think theyre not cool to like. I do come across peopel whove not heard them though, or are indifferent.

I dunno. With advent of the internets and it being so easy to be a music "expert" they're arguably more popular than ever, with which comes the inevitable backlash viz "They're so unanimously liked that I intensify what would otherwise be indifference to their music" &c.

found this posted on Reddit, it is astonishing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLHzzH4IJ70

i saw that one a white back too! it rules

Love that.

https://shop.4ad.com/merch/596502-cocteau-twins-heaven-or-las-vegas-football-shirt/related

Very tentatively shares link with elder daughter…

I think the Bisch Bosch shirt is pretty funny. who doesn't want an overpriced football jersey that commemorates Scott Walker's most impenetrable album?

lol i was tempted by the scott walker one

Sadly The Fall were never on 4AD, so there isn't a Sparta FC t-shirt. £110 seems a bit steep.

"Come on, I will show you how I will change /
when I punch a donkey on the streets of Galway"

Today I learned that a donkey paralysed with curare can actually be kept alive via artificial respiration:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curare

"In England, together with a doctor, Ben Collins Brodie, he administered it to a donkey, which collapsed and stopped breathing within minutes. Swiftly Brodie cut the donkey’s windpipe and they inserted a bellows and pumped. The donkey sat up. Two hours were spent like this until the poison wore off and the donkey recovered. After its experience, it was put to pasture for services to medicine."