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YSI?

― Jena (JenaP), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

you need to get up on the o.g. kano

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

Juan Atkins

― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

PappaWheelie is OTM, you can't have a Detroit comp without Juan.

It is cool that Detroit In Effect gets some love on this comp.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

I will say in some weird round about way it kinda reps a slice of Mojo's playlist though, which was fuel to the fire that was detroit techno

― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

Also, Join In The Chant = completely fucking huge hit in Detroit back in the day.

Chicago is four hours west down I-94 and the Wax Trax influence on Detroit techno is the huge elephant in the living room that nobody wants to talk about.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

i figure Atkins will feature on the full final version - but what of his would Craig or Garnier pick?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

I lived on I-94 Michigan until late 83/early 84. The biggest influence on the stretch was Zapp and early early Prince, honestly. But yeah, it was one hell of a stew back then.

The other thing often not pointed out is detroit techno artists didn't have nearly as much success in detroit as they did by travelling to chicago on weekends.

― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

^^Do you just follow the zeitgeist??? And if so, why are you living in NY now.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

Konal,

There is the obvious stuff like the early m500 singles, but my picks would be Alleys Of Your Mind, Starlight, Infoworld, Jazz Is The Teacher, I Wanna Be There(The short edit from Deep Space not the 18 minute version from Sonic Sunset), Milky Way, and the the A side to that first New Religion record he did a few years back. If you dig through his back catalogue it is stuffed with gems. Derrick May used to be my favorite 1st wave guy, but Juan totally out produced him.

I lived on I-94 Michigan until late 83/early 84. The biggest influence on the stretch was Zapp and early early Prince, honestly. But yeah, it was one hell of a stew back then.

I will not argue with that at all, you are OTM. But there is/was a huge industrial influence in Detroit dance music by the _late_ 1980's. Look at Final Cut, what Blake Baxter used to play at Majestic, Hawtin cutting his teeth on industrial, Alan Oldham's Fast Forward radio show on WDET ect...The genre lines were a hell of a lot more blurry back then.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

^^Do you just follow the zeitgeist??? And if so, why are you living in NY now.

deej, I'm so confused here...

― PappaWheelie has no answers to any question that requires actual thought (PappaW, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

hah i'm just joking around about how you seem to live where the music is hot, you lived in miami when bass was big, lived in MI right before/during techno's beginnings etc. Then I made a jab at NY being relatively tame musically.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Atkins picks: Skyway, Game One, I Wanna Be There, The Flow (wouldn't fit this comp tho I guess), I-94, Time Space Transmat/Night Drive

Derrick May used to be my favorite 1st wave guy, but Juan totally out produced him.

think so too, but would you say May is the better DJ?

i just fucking love Drexciya's 'Running Out Of Space' at the mo (along with most of 'Neptune's Lair')

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

sadly, Miami Bass is bigger now than it was then. It was hated back then by even the artists themselves (a big part of the book-in-progress).

thanks for the clarification though.

― PappaWheelie has no answers to any question that requires actual thought (PappaW, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

reissue "Innovator" already goddammit. R&S?. Anyone? I don't want to download that.

― dance dance counter-revolution (fandango), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

R&S are re releasing their entire back catalogue so 'innovator' should be along soon.

may is by far the better dj.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

wow, I heard Atkins at apt and he did alright, whereas May at Cielo seemed aimless and meandering

― PappaWheelie has no answers to any question that requires actual thought (PappaW, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - yesss!!

I didn't know if it was only going to be those few initial 12"s or not.

― dance dance counter-revolution (fandango), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

am I the only one who finds kings of techno having oh....2 techno tracks on it a bit offputting.

I'm not denying the role of other influences or whatever but doesn't this remind you of reading rappers saying how their music is shit and Coldplay is amazing or something. Stop hating yourselves dance producers!

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

^^Do you just follow the zeitgeist??? And if so, why are you living in NY now.

to be closer to me as I invent the next zeitgeist.

or answer b:

he left the Zeitgeist to be close to Morgan Geist

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

Innovator has those weird miniature tracks cut in two parts, are they available, are they/were they originally available in full form? Derrick May is my least favourite of the original Detroit guys, he focuses two much on the high frequencies and is less funky than Juan and Kevin. But "Dreams of Dreamers" is still sublime...

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

anyway, early techno is ripe for proper reissue/revival. The Warp Influences CD was nice but just a slice, and we've had all the Trax reissues but it's time for Detroit. Seeing Transmat Relics in print again was nice, but the vinyl sounded so shitty it's useless. It's time for all that stuff, Techno 1 and Techno 2 and Relics etc to be easily available and properly loved.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

i think may can rest on his laurels sometimes and not really give it his all, but he is responsible for some of the best dj sets i have ever heard. i've heard atkins play a few times and he was ok every time but definitely not mindblowing.

x post

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

And it's nice to see Yello's influence acknowledged, though I guess it was no surprise, cos Carl Graig was already on the Hands on Yello remix LP.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

i always thought 'techno 2' was a bit so-so but 'techno 1' rules. 'ride 'em boy'!!!!

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

Techno 2 has:

*Area 10-Love Take Me Over
*Reel By Real-AFtermath
KGB-Stark
MK-Mirror, Mirror
*Octave One-I Believe
Infiniti-Techno Por Favor
Psyche-Elements
Vice-Ritual

The ones with stars are in my Techno top 20, hell, the latter two are in my top 5!

Juan es el rey de music techno!

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

i guess for me, techno 1 was such a life changing record that 2 couldn't compete. i think i'm about the only techno lover who never fell in love with octave one.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

Some of those early 430 West releases are ridiculous. I'd put The Collective up with any of the other anthologies -- the Atkins Metroplex thing on Tresor, Innovator, Places and Phases or Faces and Laces or whatever...

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

Octave One was a real eye-opener for me. It sounded like a sexy new wave song to me, and in still a favorite of mine.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

forget "innovator", they need to repress "soundtrack to the tenth planet"

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

NOT ideal for people who know everything

i resent the implication!

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

innovator is soundtrack to the tenth planet

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

i resent the implication!

Oh yeah?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

yeah yeah but upthread people were talking about r&s

hey stir aren't you sort of involved w/ the people from network records?? why are they sitting on all that old good stuff (like biorhythms) and not reissuing it??

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

Don't ride the white horse.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno, this comp just seems mega prosaic ... "kings of disco" and "kings of digging" were SO good ... but this one seems to be going in the direction of the rest of the series

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

yeah yeah but upthread people were talking about r&s

i was just being obnoxious.

hey stir aren't you sort of involved w/ the people from network records?? why are they sitting on all that old good stuff (like biorhythms) and not reissuing it??

i don't think anyone in detroit has a good word to say about neil rushton these days and i have a feeling all the rights have reverted back.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

Kings of House was good, at least it was house on it! This comp is like if Kings of Disco was all funk and soul. Or if Kings of Punk came out and they put the Beatles on it, cos "they had guitars also".

Where is the techno on "THE KINGS OF TECHNO". It's like those rappers who say "yeah my music is ok but Coldplay, that's the real thing!!"

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, I'm not denying the influence of all those acts but most of them are done to that, I mean FFS if the comp was called Laurent Garnier/Carl Craig BACK TO MINE I could understand!

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

those "bio rhythm" comps ... so crucial

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

yeah ronan is hitting EXACTLY why i am not happy about this comp

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

i guess my mad pipe dream was that they would turn in something that would sound like their mindblowing dj kicks ... full of crazy obscure mid-90s detroit techno and uk techno

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

1-05 Carl Craig - No More Words (6:52)
1-06 Jeff Mills - Utopia (4:19)
1-07 BFC - Galaxy (6:41)
2-09 Balil - Nort Route (5:16)

allow these songs

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

"done to death" I meant...at this point they need to make more techno retrospectives that make outsiders maybe buy it and go "ah this is techno" because it's utterly 100 percent unrelenting techno rather than telling techno fans "there is this band called the stooges, and ah yes have you considered nitzer ebb..." or even worse, telling non techno fans "don't bother with any techno, just listen to the stooges, oh here's acid eiffel a seminal blah blah blah foundations of the genre now you're done, that's techno in a nutshell, they didn't even invent it themselves, go back to watching vh1"

x-post otm dig up some classics CC and Laurent....these comps are ultra crossover, it should be the quintessential Detroit techno mix by two uber-canonical legends, not this modest comp of nods....

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

and where is SILVER APPLES OF THE MOON

where is KONTAKTE

where is DELIA D

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

I am interested what the final tracklist will look like. The promo for the Kings of House was similar to this with far fewer tracks, unmixed, and some of them didn't even appear on the final tracklist. I'm sure this will be mixed as well.

― matt2 (matt2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

history of detroit??? where is the MC5???

"STARSHIP"!!

(didn't sun ra invent techno???)

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

where is EMINEM? where is SEVEN NATION ARMY...

oh shit...

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

I understand the gripes and I know it's irritating when something doesn't cater directly to you, but jeezus -- were they supposed to title it Kings of the Roots of Techno as Well as the Developments and Offshoots Thereof?

Was The Kings of Disco supposed to be titled The Kings of Danceable Funk and Soul Made Before, During, and Just a Little Bit After the Bee Gees Went Disco (Along With Some Straight-Up Disco)?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

Skipping 15 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

I mean, if someone is looking to dig into this shit, they should just get teh fucking Detroit Classics & Techno Diamonds collection. Amirite? The ones upthread look kinda crap.

― trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

Back to "May vs. Atkins": I prefer May as a dj but the one time these two did a tag team at Vinyl (RIP) here in NYC it was heaven.

― Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 02:17 (nineteen years ago)

Re: dance dance counter-revolution on importing to Audacity to edit mp3s

There's a simpler solution: MPTrim works entirely in the MP3 data realm so there isn't additional sound degradation from encoding/decoding. Its useful for trimming down silent or excessive intros/outros for tidy CDRs.

That said, you'll need Audacity or the likes to do proper crossfades.

― 35 Hertz (35 Hertz), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 06:17 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't Atkins and May have some sort of fallout in the early nineties? Have they buried the hatchet later on?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 07:08 (nineteen years ago)

five years pass...

From an email:
NOTE: PROMO YOU HAVE [see tracklist above] IS NOT THE FINISHED CD

FINISHED CD will be a double mix CD featuring

PROMO features a selection of tracks featured on those mixes many of which are out of print and hard to get.

Not from email:

NOT ideal for people who know everything

― Andy_K (Andy_K)

LOL

― the late great, Saturday, 12 May 2012 04:51 (fourteen years ago)

i've warmed to this comp quite a bit ... "track selection and mission of a comp called kings of techno?" questions aside, they do a real nice job with the mixing and the track selection is tight

― the late great, Saturday, 12 May 2012 05:04 (fourteen years ago)

like i would not consider selling it

― the late great, Saturday, 12 May 2012 05:05 (fourteen years ago)

This comp introduced me to D.I.E - "Get Up" which is amazing. I used to spin it regularly (slowed down a bit).

― Spencer Chow, Saturday, 12 May 2012 07:06 (fourteen years ago)

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