look at that cluster of ray of light songs together, lol at hollywood bookended by sooner or later and don't cry for me argentina
― balls, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 03:08 (eleven years ago) link
The haters have this much correct at least: "Deeper & Deeper" is not an objectively-great universal pop song in the same way that "Into Your Groove" or even "Open Your Heart" is.
Each of those songs express a kind of will-to-completeness, a desire for perfect union in love or on the dancefloor which I think is the kind of experience that anyone open to pop music hopefully can relate to and embrace.
"Deeper & Deeper" exhibits those emotions, but they're almost overwhelmed by the competing-yet-complementary senses of shock and relief: this is possible and right. This is possible and right. It's not merely the shock of love, of lust, of captivation on the dancefloor, but the shock of all of those things against a backdrop of a life of self-denial and self-control, of telling yourself that these experiences were both impossible and wrong. It's about subjugation to the law of expectation, and emancipation from that law into a new form of subjugation to the law of desire. In that moment, a transformation that might pass by unnoticed to some observers nonetheless forms one of the crossroad points in your life, a threshold that once passed colours everything ahead and everything behind. I fell in love with "Deeper & Deeper" when I was 15 and I allowed myself to acknowledge my own desires at the same age, and I can pinpoint a second which this song encapsulates for me. And I fell in love when I was 18 and rediscovered the import of this song again.
It's not universal at all. But it's my number one favourite song ever.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 03:27 (eleven years ago) link
PS. amazing work on this poll Johnny.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 03:40 (eleven years ago) link
i think it was maybe underwhelming at the time but listening to it recently i found it MUCH better than i remembered, certainly closer to matching the sum of its parts than say chuck d + sonic youth.
Indeed. "Word up" does not a collaboration make.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 04:19 (eleven years ago) link
Not enough depth here for a proper rollout outside of the top few, so here are your raw remix subpoll results:
Sorry (Man With Guitar Mix) 9 66Justify My Love (Beast Within Remix) 5 36Open Your Heart Extended Mix 5 28Burning Up 12" Mix 3 22La Isla Bonita (Revenge Rework) 3 22Bedtime Story (Orbital Mix) 3 16What It Feels Like For a Girl (Above & Beyond Remix) 2 16Over and Over (You Can Dance Remix) 2 10Erotica (William Orbit 12" Mix) 1 10Let It Will Be (Paper Faces Remix) 1 10Express Yourself (Shep Pettibone Video Mix) 1 10Music Sounds Better With You vs. Holiday (Stuntmasterz Mix) 1 10Hollywood (Stuart Price Mix) 1 10Ray of Light (Liquid Mix) 1 10Impressive Instant (Peter Rauhofer's Universal Club Mix) 1 10Hollywood (Jacques Lu Cont's Thin White Duck Mix) 2 8Sky Fits Heaven (Sasha's The Drug Fits Face Mix) 1 8Human Nature (Runway Club Mix) 1 8Erotica (Confessions Studio Extended Mix) 1 8Into the Groove (Extended Remix) 1 8Erotica/You Thrill Me (Confessions Tour Mix) 1 8I'll Remember (Guerilla Beach Mix) 1 8Don't Cry For Me Argentina (Miami Mix) 2 6Everybody (You Can Dance Extended Mix) 1 6Drowned World/Substitute For Love (BT and Sasha's Bucklodge Ashram Remix) 1 6Into the Groove (Dub Version) 1 6Keep It Together (Single Remix) 1 6Jump (Jacques Lu Cont Mix) 1 6Get Together (James Holden Remix) 1 4Nothing Really Matters (K&D Mix) 1 4Fever (Edit One with 12" Intro) 1 4Hung Up (Diplo Mix) 1 4Love Don't Live Here Anymore (Remix) 1 4Rain (Razor and Guido Rain Forest Mix) 1 4Secret (Junior's Luscious Club Mix) 1 4Justify My Love (Orbit 12" Mix) 1 4American Life (Felix Da Housecat's Devin Dazzle Radio Edit) 1 4Erotica (Masters at Work Remix) 1 2Ray of Light (Sasha Ultra Violet Mix) 1 2Erotica (Madonna's In My Jeep Mix) 1 2Vogue (The Shep Pettibone Integral Mix) 1 2La Isla Bonita (Extended Remix) 1 2Love Profusion (Ralphi Rosario House Vocal Mix) 1 2
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 06:13 (eleven years ago) link
fantastic remix results // tim f otm re: deeper & deeper
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 08:08 (eleven years ago) link
Impressed by how deep the quality goes. You could have started the countdown at 70 and still had a strong line-up.
― Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 11:57 (eleven years ago) link
who was the Hanky Panky voter?
― how's life, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 12:02 (eleven years ago) link
probably my dad
― the company of wome (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 12:06 (eleven years ago) link
Just played that Open Your Heart remix Alfred was championing. Wow.
― Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 12:47 (eleven years ago) link
My ballot, which answers how's life's question.
Songs
01. Where’s the Party? - 4002. Causing a Commotion - 3603. American Life - 3304. Open Your Heart - 3005. Lucky Star - 2806. Take A Bow - 2607. Burning Up - 2508. Live to Tell - 2409. Hanky Panky - 2310. Into the Groove - 2211. Everybody - 2112. Secret - 2013. Bad Girl - 1914. Papa Don’t Preach - 1815. Justify My Love - 1716. Love Makes the World Go Round - 1617. Love Profusion - 1518. Deeper and Deeper - 1419. True Blue - 1320. Bedtime Story – 12
Videos
1. Like A Prayer2. Vogue3. Cherish4. Oh Father5. Material Girl
Albums
1. True Blue2. American Life3. Like A Prayer4. Madonna5. Bedtime Stories
― Jeff W, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 13:23 (eleven years ago) link
Vote for the songs you enjoy the most, that is the ILMer's creed.
― how's life, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 13:45 (eleven years ago) link
ILMadonna
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 13:52 (eleven years ago) link
respect for voting for "American Life," wish i had done so in solidarity with you (i went for "Die Another Day" instead)
― some dude, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 14:01 (eleven years ago) link
True BlueOpen Your HeartDress You UpBorderlineLa Isla BonitaLive to TellCrazy for YouPapa Don't PreachInto the GrooveDie Another DayRay of LightTake A BowCherishMaterial GirlWho's That GirlMusicBurning UpHolidayWhere Life BeginsDeeper and Deeper
― Euler, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
I think I had the most fun exploring remixes, no wonder there were so many single votes. There's so much to choose from!
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
yeah there are a ton i haven't heard, looking forward to diving in
really hate that her label seem to have been the most efficient at scouring the internet free of rarities - i'd be happy to buy most of the old remixes on itunes but you can't even do that!
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
1 vote for "Act of Contrition"?
guilty! i'm actually surprised it didn't get more votes.
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 16:13 (eleven years ago) link
That's what I meant. I thought for sure 2 or 3 more votes on that one.
― Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
I was thinking it's surprising that there's never been a big 'deluxe edition' reissue campaign or anything for Madonna's back catalogue, plenty of scope for making the remixes available there.
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
it's really remarkable that she's managed to fuck up every one of her compilations
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
What is the deal with Celebration? The mixes seem vaguely unfamiliar to me but it might just be punched up remastering etc?
― multi instru mentat list (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 16:43 (eleven years ago) link
I can't remember exactly what the glitches were with Celebration (other than having songs from Hard Candy lol), but I believe some of the edits were weird? Still better than Immaculate Collection, where endings are faded out to conserve time.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 16:46 (eleven years ago) link
Celebration could've been salvaged by dumping the 2 new songs, everything from Hard Candy, and not NOT including "Deeper and Deeper."
― Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
Best poll since the 2012 horror movie poll, btw, so much good writing itt, indecent amt of superfun, playlist so good i marked it for offline cache. Biggest lightning bolt is motherfucking 'Til Death Do Us Part', which I KNOW I've heard since I've listened to all of LAP at least a few times, so I guess I just was deaf to it somehow but damn when it came on the playlist I totally froze. That fast clucking synth line makes me feel CRAZAY!!!
― multi instru mentat list (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 16:50 (eleven years ago) link
and not NOT including "Deeper and Deeper."
see also "Causing a Commotion"
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 16:50 (eleven years ago) link
For goodness' sake, why not just petition her to cover 4'33" while you're at it?
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
but I believe some of the edits were weird?
the edit of "4 minutes" that cuts the intro improves the song immeasurably even though it makes it, uh, 3 minutes.
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 17:55 (eleven years ago) link
Immaculate Collection is a crime against humanity. Those cut fades make me SO MAD. imo.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
And what's with that piece-o'-shit mix of Into The Groove on IC? The whole point of the "You can dance..." intro is that it's spoken over the groove, DJ-style.
― Jeff W, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
I fully admit that maybe I don't know any better, but that version sounds fine to me. Good, even! I am not a Madonna Scholar.
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
the first actual madonna thing i owned was the immaculate collection so i am intimately familiar with some of those mixes and edits even though i now realize they are abominations
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
that was me for a while -- I think I had a dubbed cassette of IC through college that I just used for parties or whatever, but once I got super into the albums, to the point where I had the fadeouts memorized, and then going back to the Immaculate Collection later on, I had full-on outrage that I hadn't noticed before, lol
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
Me too, only there was a long enough gap between me relying on it and rediscovering her that I don't notice the join. I could only point to the 'woo! yeah's on Like A Prayer as abominations.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
I've always been obsessed with fadeouts, ever since I was a little kid and I would always strain to hear every part of the song even as it was getting quieter...and some of those madonna fadeouts I had memorized (I can't think of any off the top of my head ragh).
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
the immaculate collection was my entry point to pretty much everything pre-erotica and i fell in love with it all HARD
i now realise those versions are disasters and this whole experience proves, if anything, that those songs can withstand nuclear attacks
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 23:23 (eleven years ago) link
that's a good way of looking at it, lex
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 23:24 (eleven years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:46 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
haha do we have a thread about turning up the volume dial and listening closely on fadeouts? we really should
― some dude, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 23:30 (eleven years ago) link
otm!
some of the Otis Redding fadeouts made me yell, like WAIT WAIT WAIT THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER PART OF THE SONG YOU'RE GONNA MISS noooooooooooooooooooo
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 23:34 (eleven years ago) link
people who grew up with immaculate collection are like people who grew up with the famous new order comp that i can't listen to cuz everything sounds so weird to me.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 23:37 (eleven years ago) link
but Substance is awesome in its own right!
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 23:38 (eleven years ago) link
i can't listen to it. but that's just me. and my own nostalgia.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
I grew up with both The Immaculate Collection and Substance. I love both to death
― g simmel, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
exactly. and i totally understand that.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 00:06 (eleven years ago) link
has to be said the Substance 'Sub Culture' is a wretched thing compared to t Low Life one.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 00:09 (eleven years ago) link
Assume Scott also prefers the original Temptation as well. Substance is great but does have flaws.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 00:29 (eleven years ago) link
I disagree with this so much. The original "Sub Culture" is one of the reasons why I can't listen to Low-Life
― Darth Icky (DJP), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:43 (eleven years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
haha OTM.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:45 (eleven years ago) link
Always gotten the sense that once Dan decides he dislikes something he then goes into a cave somewhere and cuts up the bodies of small children with the song on loop for five hours just so he can preserve that negative reaction forever.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:49 (eleven years ago) link
loool
― Darth Icky (DJP), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:50 (eleven years ago) link