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I've got a horrible feeling I forgot to vote for Family - Bandstand

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 17 February 2013 10:47 (eleven years ago) link

I checked and I had *phew*

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 17 February 2013 11:19 (eleven years ago) link

*phew*

administrator galina (Matt P), Sunday, 17 February 2013 11:30 (eleven years ago) link

The 1st 70s poll results (not the alternate poll jf did a couple of years ago)
100. VA - Nuggets
99. New York Dolls - s/t
98. David Bowie - Heroes
97. Kate Bush - The Kick Inside
96. Bruce Springsteen - Darkness On the Edge of Town
95. The Cure - Three Imaginary Boys
94. Augustus Pablo - King Tubby Meets Rockers Uptown
93. Philip Glass - Einstein on the Beach
92. Sparks - Kimono My House
91. Cheap Trick - Live at Budokan
90. Steely Dan - Countdown to Ecstacy
89. Sparks - No. 1 in Heaven
88. Can - Future Days
87. The B52s - The B52s
86. Parliament - Funkentelechy Vs. the Placebo Syndrome
85. Leonard Cohen - Songs of Love and Hate
84. Iggy and the Stooges - Raw Power
83. The Slits - Cut
82. Nick Drake - Bryter Layter
81. The Beach Boys - Surf's Up
80. Neu! - Neu!
79. The Beatles - Let It Be
78. John Lennon - Plastic Ono Band
77. Funkadelic - Maggot Brain
76. Big Star - Third
75. John Cale - Paris 1919
74. Donna Summer - On the Radio
73. Miles Davis - A Tribute to Jack Johnson
72. Marvin Gaye - Let's Get It On
71. Parliament - The Mothership Connection
70. Brian Eno - Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy)
69. VA - Saturday Night Fever
68. Wire - 154
67. Led Zeppelin - Houses of the Holy
66. Led Zeppelin - IV
65. Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
64. Big Star - #1 Record
63. Black Sabbath - Paranoid
62. David Bowie - Station to Station
61. Neil Young - Rust Never Sleeps
60. Elvis Costello - My Aim Is True
59. Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
58. Bob Dylan - The Basement Tapes
57. The Congos - Heart of the Congos
56. Fleetwood Mac - Rumors
55. Ornette Coleman - Dancing in Your Head
54. Richard and Linda Thompson - I Want To See the Bright Lights Tonight
53. David Bowie - Hunky Dory
52. The Fall - Dragnet
51. Neil Young - Tonight's the Night
50. Steely Dan - Pretzel Logic
49. Roxy Music - Roxy Music
48. Roxy Music - For Your Pleasure
47. Stevie Wonder - Talking Book
46. Suicide - First Album
45. Miles Davis - On the Corner
44. Curtis Mayfield - Superfly
43. Steve Reich - Music For 18 Musicians
42. Talking Heads - More Songs About Buildings and Food
41. Neil Young - On the Beach
40. Gram Parsons - Grievous Angel
39. Wire - Chairs Missing
38. Stevie Wonder - Songs in the Key of Life
37. Can - Ege Bamyesi
36. Brian Eno - Another Green World
35. Serge Gainbourg - Histoire De Melody Nelson
34. Nick Drake - Pink Moon
33. Elvis Costello - This Year's Model
32. Neil Young - After the Goldrush
31. Big Star - Radio City
30. The Clash - The Clash
29. The Velvet Underground - Loaded
28. The Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers
27. Wire - Pink Flag
26. Can - Tago Mago
25. David Bowie - Low
24. Joni Mitchell - Blue
23. Brian Eno - Here Come the Warm Jets
22. Ramones - Ramones
21. Al Green - Call Me
20. Kraftwerk - The Man Machine
19. The Stooges - Fun House
18. Michael Jackson - Off the Wall
17. VA - The Harder They Come
16. The Sex Pistols - Nevermind the Bollocks
15. The Modern Lovers - The Modern Lovers
14. David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust
13. Gang of Four - Entertainment
12. Stevie Wonder - Innervisions
11. The Rolling Stones - Exile on Main Street
10. Marvin Gaye - What's Goin' On
9. Buzzcocks - Singles Going Steady
8. PiL - Metal Box
7. Blondie - Parallel Lines
6. Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
5. Kraftwerk - Trans-Europe Express
4. Television - Marquee Moon
3. Bob Dylan - Blood On the Tracks
2. The Clash - London Calling
1. Sly & the Family Stone - There's a Riot Goin' On

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 17 February 2013 11:51 (eleven years ago) link

And TURN THIS MUTHA OUT! It's the Alternate 1970s Albums Poll on ILX — Results Thread
100. Milton Nascimento & Lô Borges - Clube de Esquina (1972) [80 points, 7 votes, 1 first place vote]
99. Chic - C'est Chic (1978) [80 points, 14 votes]
98. John Lennon - Imagine (1971) [80 points, 15 votes]
97. Patti Smith - Horses (1975) [80 points, 17 votes]
96. Van Halen - Van Halen (1978) [81 points, 6 votes, 1 first place vote]
95. Fleetwood Mac - Fleetwood Mac (1975) [81 points, 8 votes]
94. Creedence Clearwater Revival - Cosmo's Factory (1970) [81 points, 11 votes]
93. Blondie - Eat to the Beat (1979) [82 points, 9 votes]
92. Miles Davis - Agharta (1976) [82 points, 10 votes]
91. Ian Dury - New Boots and Panties!! (1977) [83 points, 6 votes]
90. Neu! - Neu! 2 (1973) [83 points, 10 votes]
89. Tom Waits - Closing Time (1973) [84 points, 6 votes]
88. Black Sabbath - Vol. 4 (1972) [85 points, 8 votes, 1 first place vote]
87. Hawkwind - Space Ritual (1973) [85 points, 11 votes]
86. Aerosmith - Rocks (1976) [86 points, 8 votes, 1 first place vote]
85. Tubeway Army - Replicas (1979) [86 points, 9 votes]
84. Thin Lizzy - Jailbreak (1976) [86 points, 11 votes]
83. The Who - Live at Leeds (1970) [87 points, 6 votes]
82. Comus - First Utterance (1971) [87 points, 9 votes]
81. Van Morrison - Veedon Fleece (1974) [88 points, 8 votes, 1 first place vote]
80. Electric Light Orchestra - Out of the Blue (1977) [90 points, 10 votes]
79. Bruce Springsteen - The Wild, The Innocent & The E Street Shuffle (1973) [92 points, 9 votes]
78. Flamin' Groovies - Shake Some Action (1976) [92 points, 10 votes]
77. Pere Ubu - Datapanik in the Year Zero EP (1978) [93 points, 6 votes]
76. ABBA - Arrival (1976) [93 points, 8 votes]
75. David Bowie - Lodger (1979) [93 points, 12 votes]
74. Cluster - Zuckerzeit (1974) [93 points, 14 votes]
73. Pere Ubu - Dub Housing (1978) [94 points, 12 votes]
72. The Rolling Stones - Some Girls (1978) [95 points, 13 votes]
71. Neil Young - Harvest (1972) [96 points, 9 votes]
70. Herbie Hancock - Sextant (1973) [96 points, 12 votes]
69. Stevie Wonder - Fulfillingness' First Finale (1974) [97 points, 10 votes]
68. Throbbing Gristle - 20 Jazz Funk Greats (1979) [98 points, 10 votes, 1 first place vote]
(Tie) 66. Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon (1973) [99 points, 9 votes]
(Tie) 66. Joni Mitchell - Court and Spark (1974) [99 points, 9 votes]
65. The Pop Group - Y (1979) [99 points, 10 votes]
64. Al Green - The Belle Album (1977) [100 points, 7 votes, 1 first place vote]
63. Steely Dan - Katy Lied (1975) [100 points, 9 votes]
62. Black Sabbath - Master of Reality (1971) [100 points, 11 votes]
61. Various Artists - No New York (1978) [101 points, 10 votes]
60. The Specials - The Specials (1979) [102 points, 10 votes, 1 first place vote]
59. John Cale - Fear (1974) [104 points, 11 votes]
58. Harry Nilsson - Nilsson Schmilsson (1971) [106 points, 10 votes, 1 first place vote]
57. King Crimson - Red (1974) [109 points, 12 votes]
56. Brian Eno - Ambient 1: Music for Airports (1978) [110 points, 12 votes]
55. Funkadelic - One Nation Under a Groove (1978) [110 points, 13 votes]
54. Joni Mitchell - The Hissing of Summer Lawns (1975) [111 points, 7 votes, 1 first place vote]
53. Willie Nelson - Red Headed Stranger (1975) [111 points, 12 votes]
52. Van Morrison - Moondance (1970) [111 points, 13 votes]
51. Yellow Magic Orchestra - Solid State Survivor (1979) [112 points, 6 votes, 2 first place votes]
(Tie) 49. The Who - Who's Next (1971) [112 points, 10 votes, 1 first place vote]
(Tie) 49. Elvis Costello & The Attractions - Armed Forces (1979) [112 points, 10 votes, 1 first place vote]
48. David Bowie - Aladdin Sane (1973) [113 points, 11 votes]
47. Harmonia - Musik von Harmonia (1974) [113 points, 13 votes]
46. Cheap Trick - Cheap Trick (1977) [116 points, 9 votes]
(Tie) 44. Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Zuma (1975) [116 points, 10 votes, 1 first place vote]
(Tie) 44. James Brown - The Payback (1973) [116 points, 10 votes, 1 first place vote]
43. Grateful Dead - American Beauty (1970) [119 points, 9 votes]
42. Amon Düül II - Yeti (1970) [120 points, 12 votes]
41. New York Dolls - Too Much Too Soon (1974) [121 points, 4 votes, 2 first place votes]
40. Syd Barrett - The Madcap Laughs (1970) [121 points, 9 votes]
39. Funkadelic - Free Your Mind... And Your Ass Will Follow (1970) [124 points, 10 votes, 1 first place vote]
38. Miles Davis - Get Up With It (1974) [124 points, 12 votes]
37. This Heat - This Heat (1979) [125 points, 10 votes]
36. T.Rex - The Slider (1972) [127 points, 13 votes]
35. Tim Buckley - Starsailor (1970) [127 points, 13 votes, 1 first place vote]
34. Funkadelic - Standing on the Verge of Getting it On (1974) [128 points, 9 votes, 1 first place vote]
33. Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run (1975) [128 points, 11 votes, 1 first place vote]
32. Captain Beefheart & The Magic Band - Lick My Decals Off, Baby (1970) [128 points, 14 votes]
31. The Cars - The Cars (1978) [131 points, 13 votes]
30. Rod Stewart - Every Picture Tells a Story (1971) [140 points, 10 votes, 1 first place vote]
29. Fela Kuti & Afrika 70 - Zombie (1977) [141 points, 13 votes, 1 first place vote]
28. Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti (1975) [146 points, 14 votes]
27. Talking Heads - 77 (1977) [147 points, 15 votes]
26. Led Zeppelin - III (1970) [149 points, 11 votes]
(Tie) 24. T.Rex - Electric Warrior (1971) [151 points, 17 votes]
(Tie) 24. Faust - IV (1973) [151 points, 17 votes]
23. Ramones - Rocket to Russia (1977) [152 points, 13 votes]
22. Can - Soon Over Babaluma (1974) [152 points, 16 votes]
21. Harmonia - Deluxe (1975) [155 points, 11 votes, 1 first place vote]
20. Dr. Buzzard's Original Savannah Band - Dr. Buzzard's Original Savannah Band (1976) [161 points, 10 votes]
19. Todd Rundgren - A Wizard, A True Star (1973) [162 points, 12 votes]
18. Lou Reed - Transformer (1972) [164 points, 16 votes]
17. Joni Mitchell - Hejira (1976) [165 points, 10 votes, 1 first place vote]
16. The Raincoats - The Raincoats (1979) [168 points, 12 votes, 1 first place vote]
15. Steely Dan - The Royal Scam (1976) [176 points, 11 votes, 2 first place votes]
14. Steely Dan - Aja (1977) [177 points, 16 votes]
13. Neu! - Neu! 75 (1975) [187 points, 17 votes]
12. Brian Eno - Before and After Science (1977) [187 points, 18 votes]
11. XTC - Drums and Wires (1979) [188 points, 15 votes, 2 first place votes]
10. Yes - Close to the Edge (1972) [189 points, 11 votes, 1 first place vote]
9. Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance (1978) [205 points, 20 votes]
8. Kraftwerk - Autobahn (1974) [230 points, 25 votes]
7. Alice Coltrane - Journey in Satchidananda (1970) [248 points, 19 votes]
6. X Ray Spex - Germ Free Adolescents (1978) [263 points, 20 votes, 3 first place votes]
5. Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom (1974) [307 points, 19 votes, 5 first place votes]
4. Devo - Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo (1978) [310 points, 27 votes, 1 first place vote]
3. Curtis Mayfield - Curtis (1970) [310 points, 28 votes, 3 first place votes]
2. Talking Heads - Fear of Music (1979) [405 points, 28 votes]
1. Fleetwood Mac - Tusk (1979) [527 points, 30 votes, 4 first place votes]

That poll turned out to be a very fun poll and I hope johnny fever participates in this current poll.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 17 February 2013 12:04 (eleven years ago) link

Was about halfway putting together my ballots for this when voting got suspended and my attention drifted away - back on it now.
Got to thank all the people that have been campaigning for particular albums so far, it's been a nice way to dip into lots of music I wouldn't have heard otherwise. Giving Pink Fairies - Kings of Oblivion a go just now - Raceway is a killer tune. :)

citation needed (Mr Andy M), Sunday, 17 February 2013 14:29 (eleven years ago) link

You cant go wrong with any of their albums.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 17 February 2013 18:05 (eleven years ago) link

Do It is of course their best known tune.
But I recommend I Wish I Was A Girl. Which is nominated in the tracks poll. And Motorhead fans will know City Kids. (both of those are on Kings Of Oblivion)

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 17 February 2013 19:18 (eleven years ago) link

^Yeah it's a cool album overall. I'm finding the whole early 70s Ladbroke Grove/hairy UK underground stuff quite intriguing at the moment 'cause on the one hand a lot of it can seem awkward and dated but on the other it's a little corner of rock history that still seems under-explored (with possible exception of Hawkwind I guess).

citation needed (Mr Andy M), Sunday, 17 February 2013 22:29 (eleven years ago) link

Also in the spirit of your recent youtubes, here's Mandrill rockin out on Soul Train:
http://youtu.be/bnwKaI1im4Q
(Track is from Composite Truth which is nommed iirc. Mandrill have been another nice find via the campaigning.)

citation needed (Mr Andy M), Sunday, 17 February 2013 22:33 (eleven years ago) link

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41O+2GHxxtL._SS500_.jpg

Stray - Stray (Transatlantic/Castle, 1970)
Keyes is f'in' right on, Stray rules. I'd only had a crappy rip of their second album, Suicide (1971) and was not initially wowed, but prompted by Keyes I revisited and heard the remaster of their first album (the only one nominated here). It's amazing. They were actually signed to a contract way back in 1966 as young teenagers on the strength of precocious musical talent rivaling Free. Their early background in mod and psychedelia is there, along with heavy proto-metal, prog, even some jazz fusion and Hawkwind-like space rock. Some of their more driving moments even remind me of some early MC5, but more musically diverse and complex. Makes me want to hear more. The 2006 reissues of this and Saturday Morning Pictures (1972) are widely available, but for some reason Suicide is hard to find. The closing title-track is cool, with Del Bromham's guitar solos resembling Sir Lord Baltimore.

Fastnbulbous, Sunday, 17 February 2013 22:38 (eleven years ago) link

Aquarius on Stray:

Here's yet another one of those bands that we'd vaguely heard of (or perhaps not) but never really encountered actual records by, and now that we have we can't figure out why they weren't a bigger deal! I think I first became aware of 'em via the thanks/influences list on a Pentagram album. Kinda always assumed they were your basic British blues rock but on the evidence of this, their 1970 debut they were something a little different than the Cream/Zep sort of thing I'd imagined. They're rather more like a '60s psych-pop singles band, of the garagey/Nuggetsy variety, with the fuzz factor and sheer guitar heaviness cranked way up toward proto-metallic levels. More psych than prog, more pop than blues. Kinda punk too. Very kick ass and energetic, catchy and rockin', venturing from the paisley-painted pop melodicism of "Around The World In Eighty Days" to the slamming punkish "Only What You Make It" to a number of extended fuzz guitar workouts... but first and foremost it's good old-fashioned hard rock. Think Thin Lizzy. Or Dust, or Budgie. Or even early, early Rush (one song here always puts Byram in mind of "Working Man"). But as mentioned it's got a poppy '60s garage vibe unlike a lot of those acts... And there's enough proggier, psychier elements loaded in here to pique the interest of a wider audience than just the hard rock lovers among us. The guitar parts especially are full of odd harmonies and melodic richness that bring to mind Amon Duul II, if Amon Duul II could have managed to fit their open ended song structures into a tighter blues rock straight jacket. What makes Stray's music work so well is their attention to structure: keeping their compositions on a tight leash and avoiding the esoteric meanderings that can be a pitfall to many prog rockers. This and their sense of dynamics, knowing just how and when to throw the switch and rip the seat of your pants, is what must have made them a seriously kick ass live band (and apparently they were super popular as such in and around their London, England turf, but unfortunately never managed to cash in on the hard rock success like some of their contempories). They recorded numerous albums, of which this first one is likely their best (though their second LP Suicide is a good one too, and we're just not that familiar with the rest of their '70s output), but their biggest claim to fame might be that Iron Maiden covered one of their songs on a b-side ("All In Your Mind", the very first track on this disc). Stray's version was way better btw.

Fastnbulbous, Sunday, 17 February 2013 22:42 (eleven years ago) link

I checked out Man's Man (1970), Do You Like It Here, Are You Settling In? (1971) and Live At The Padget Rooms, Penarth (1972), and enjoyed 'em. Nice quirky prog, on "All Good Clean Fun" it sounds like they were an influence for Field Music. The live 24:49 version of "Spunk Rock" (a song originally released in '69) does indeed rock. The double live has the best chance of making my list.

I just heard Stomu Yamashta's Go (1976) for the first time, and it's awesome. Steve Winwood and Michael Shrieve (drummer for Santana) share top billing on the album cover, but also features Klaus Schulze! Far out jazz fusion space rock. This wasn't nominated, but Floating Music (1972) with Come To The Edge was, need more time to see how it compares. After that will check out Shrieve's Automatic Man (1976).

Fastnbulbous, Sunday, 17 February 2013 23:11 (eleven years ago) link

http://991.com/newGallery/Man-Rhinos-Winos--Lun-446251.jpg is the best one

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 18 February 2013 00:10 (eleven years ago) link

Listened to the Stray album and it's really good.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 18 February 2013 09:21 (eleven years ago) link

I think i'll try out that Henri Texier album. It looks interesting.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 18 February 2013 10:52 (eleven years ago) link

I dont know who nominated it, but if they are reading this thread, got anything to say about it? http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1092/1598/1600/_texier_varech.jpg

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 18 February 2013 10:56 (eleven years ago) link

as suspected its not very rock and we were, as known in the trade, stirmonstered :). It is very good and worth checking out though. Just dont expect Noxagt or anything.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 18 February 2013 11:32 (eleven years ago) link

and thanks to mr mouthy for his vote it went through ok

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 18 February 2013 12:25 (eleven years ago) link

you know that point of the poll where everyone shouts too low! or complains they cant believe nobody voted for some album or they ask why the known fans of albums didn't vote? Well this is where you can rectify that by
A) Voting
B) Campaigning for albums
C) Getting others to vote

(this especially aimed at messrs perry & justen)

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 18 February 2013 14:19 (eleven years ago) link

has anyone seen jacob sanders around?

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 18 February 2013 18:34 (eleven years ago) link

Totally agree with the excitement over the Stray album. So fuzzy. So good.

Non-Stop Erotic Calculus (bmus), Monday, 18 February 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link

I am beginning to wonder if it really was worth extending the voting to the 8th. Anyone against changing it to March 1st?

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 18 February 2013 19:14 (eleven years ago) link

Just re-voted.

Non-Stop Erotic Calculus (bmus), Monday, 18 February 2013 20:10 (eleven years ago) link

going to spend some serious time with a lot of these albums, weigh up my thoughts and vote v. v. soon

charlie h, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 01:17 (eleven years ago) link

It's been mentioned upthread somewhere but this Iron Claw album is really good.

http://youtu.be/QccXPRTBMJg

Non-Stop Erotic Calculus (bmus), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 02:21 (eleven years ago) link

Oh, Iron Claw wasn't nominated. I don't feel so bad about not voting for it then...it's still great though, and should have been nommed.

Non-Stop Erotic Calculus (bmus), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 02:33 (eleven years ago) link

Iron Claw is good stuff. The reason I wish punk/post-punk was excluded is there's just so much ground to cover, making it hard to fit in interesting obscure stuff even on a 100 album ballot. I was unable to fit in albums by Heavy Metal Kids, Cockney Rebel, Radio Birdman, Suicide, Heldon, Captain Beyond, Jobriath, Dust, Uriah Heep, Bang, Hard Stuff, High Tide, Highway Robbery and The Groundhogs, all great stuff. I considered excluding punk related stuff from my ballot, but since it's in the poll and people are going to vote for them, I'd hate not to represent for some favorites.

One band that sometimes gets overlooked is Magazine. I'd think they have an ILM following but they didn't make the previous two 70s polls. I wrote this when the 2007 reissue came out.

http://aumusiclibrary.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/magazine-real-life-458222.jpg
Magazine, Real Life (Virgin/EMI, 1978)
Magazine, Secondhand Daylight (Virgin/EMI, 1979)

Magazine gets only a fraction of the acclaim and attention lavished on Joy Division not for lack of good music, but because rather than off himself, Howard Devoto worked in an office after the breakup of his band (when he wasn't working on underrated solo projects and spinoff bands). The truth is, their music is as powerful and groundbreaking as their more famous contemporaries. Just as their name can evoke the glamor of fashion rags or the menace of a weapon, the band walked the line between sophistication and violence. Devoto was a key player in the beginning of the punk movement, organizing two early Sex Pistols shows in Manchester and forming the Buzzcocks. Yet before more than a few hundred people even heard of punk, Devoto grew bored with its limitations and moved on. He found like-minded musicians in Scottish guitarist John McGeoch, keyboardist Dave Formula and future Bad Seed Barry Adamson on bass. He intended to expand on what Iggy Pop and Bowie did the previous year on The Idiot and Low. Real Life is one of the earliest and most riveting examples of post-punk, embodying perfectly the tension between Devoto's roots in punk and his desire to stretch out, particularly on "Shot By Both Sides," based on a riff written by his former Buzzcocks mate Pete Shelley. "Definitive Gaze" is a glistening sci-fi chase song that builds upon Eno and Bowie without soundling like copycats. Their definitive song is the glowering "The Light Pours Out Of Me." Bonus tracks include a rougher, original single version of "Shot By Both Sides," second single "Touch and Go" and the James Bond theme "Goldfinger." If Devoto was the emotionally distant outsider on Real Life, he was a glacier on Secondhand Daylight. While it has highlights such as "Rhythm of Cruelty" and "Permafrost," the album's main accomplishment is its consistently brittle sound and feel, that would influence The Comsat Angels, The Cure and many others.

Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 06:40 (eleven years ago) link

More proto-metal!

http://fastnbulbous.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/buffalo-volcanic.jpg

Buffalo – Volcanic Rock (Vertigo/Repertoire, 1973)
When the first three Buffalo albums were reissued by Repertoire eight years ago they were considered a “lost” band, despite the fact that they were the first Australian band to be signed by Vertigo records, which did their best to stir up hype by claiming Dead Forever… (1972) was better than Sabbath’s Vol. 4. That’s not fair competition, but they were certainly as good as Budgie. Volcanic Rock was their peak, belatedly considered a proto-stoner rock classic. Only Want You For Your Body (1974) is worth checking out too for the diverse but tightly wound songs. They released two more albums that unfortunately devolved into ordinary boogie rock after firing guitarist John Baxter and losing bassist Pete Wells to Rose Tattoo.

http://fastnbulbous.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/budgie-never.jpg

Budgie – Never Turn Your Back On A Friend (MCA, 1973)
Considered second-tier among metal architects Sabbath, Purple and Heep, Budgie were underrated then and now though they were later acknowledged as huge influences by the likes of Judas Priest, who toured with them heavily in the early days, Iron Maiden and Metallica. All of their first five albums are excellent and worth hearing. Burke Shelley’s Geddy Lee-like high pitched vocals and their quirky sense of humor perhaps kept them from bigger success. Their third album brought things together with sharp production, scintillating Roger Dean artwork, the supercharged opener “Breadfan” and epic workouts like “In the Grip of a Tyrefitter’s Hand” and “Parents.”

http://fastnbulbous.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/lucifersfriend.jpg
Lucifer’s Friend – Lucifer’s Friend (Philips, 1970)
Lucifer’s Friend are a German band with Brit singer John Lawton, who’s impressive wail initially elevated them over fellow keyboard-heavy proto-metallers Atomic Rooster and Uriah Heep. The amazing “Ride The Sky” features an elephant-like french horn melody that controversially was compared to Led Zeppelin’s “The Immigrant Song.” However this was released first, so as usual Zep are most likely the plagiarists. Sabbath and Deep Purple are clear influences, but it could be argued that Lucifer’s Friend may have influenced Purple’s evolution on Machine Head. Vertigo signed the band on the strength of their debut, but their sound would evolve radically into more progressive and lush sounds on subsequent albums. The Groupies Killed The Blues (1972), I’m Just A Rock ‘n’ Roll Singer (1973) and Banquet (1974) are interesting in that they are as diverse and unpredictable as Man’s records from that same era.

Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 06:49 (eleven years ago) link

Magazine didn't make the 2 other 70s polls? I'm surprised at that as I thought they were one of the beloved ILM bands. Well you all now have the chance to rectify that.
There's no Budgie on spotify so thats a shame.

Fastnbulbous please post as many of your reviews of nominated albums as you can. They're great!

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 07:52 (eleven years ago) link

Amazed there's been no music sounded better in the 70s as it was all on vinyl post yet.

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 10:14 (eleven years ago) link

hmmm the bbc reviewed an Ohio Players album? http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/reviews/wchf

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 12:29 (eleven years ago) link

Hi, I am reserving my right not to vote but will enjoy the roll-out.

Regards.,

Mark G, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 12:58 (eleven years ago) link

I do hope it will be a good roll-out

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 14:17 (eleven years ago) link

Not even had a test run of the results so far so I really have no idea what the roll-out will look like.
Maybe we will have weird results like the 80s poll?

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 14:28 (eleven years ago) link

And from the conversation I remember that the most impressive thing for the Englishmen was the ugly name the band had: Birth Control. I remember that a group called Eloy was only a running gag among the insiders and journalists in Gemany (poor man's Pink Floyd or was it poor man's Moody Blues?). I remember Faust, who never was popular or widely known in Germany because it was an invention of an outside journalist, a promotion product, but not a real 'living' group.

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 15:25 (eleven years ago) link

KRAUTROCKSAMPLER- Julian Cope
Cope is a lunatic, a crazy man (if I can trust the music lexicons). He was not present, he didn't ask the people who were present. He's just a fan with "a name". Yes, Cope is enthusiastic about his beloved exotic musical preferences. And if the media, the journalists and the people would take it just as that, great. Fine. Wonderful. But they BELIEVE it is the truth just because it's Julian Cope. Why do so many people always need "known names" to tell them what to believe? Can't they think for themselves? Can't they listen to the music, check a bit about the history, and make their own judgement. Is it really too much asked? Maybe. The other way it's easier.

Long ago, I read one (or two?) of Cope's articles in the English music magazine WIRE. It was about Can or Amon Duul or something like that. It was the very first time that an English magazine wrote a long positive article about a genuine German band and genuine German "rock" music. It was also clear to see that Cope was a "fan". I liked it as I liked other articles in that issue (especially the fact that MY beloved album "Out to Lunch" by Eric Dolphy was elected No. 1 in some of Wire's polls).

Many moons later, these enthusiastic articles by this fan were released in book form. Even later (1996), this book was also translated into German and released here. And then the trouble started. German journalists who seemed to know even less than Cope jumped on that book (Cope seems to be a singing rock star over here) and wrote articles. Old, long forgotten bands such as Amon Duul or Faust got together again and made a new album and did some concerts. The promotion machineries of the involved record companies seemed to work properly. As a result, we had even more articles about that old time and old bands with one worse than the other. All was mixed up. Simple German heavy rock groups that nobody cared about then are suddenly called "cosmic"; groups that everybody laughed about when they tried their kind of rock 20 years ago are suddenly "historically important". A man like Florian Fricke (Popol Vuh), who didn't touch electronic tools for the last 20 years, was called "electronic expert". And all writers refer to that Cope book.

First it was just funny to watch, but suddenly the few real inventors (Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Kraftwerk) were lumped together with all the poor and long gone Krautrock. The characteristics of quality (if I may say so) were not valid anymore. Someone told me that Cope has a kind of TOP 50 Albums or so in his book and among it are most (if not all) of those terrible "Cosmic Jokers" albums. These albums get no better just because a crazy English singer loves them (and maybe just because out of non-musical reasons). Was he the only one in his adolescent years who owned these albums and therefore was proud of them? I know that syndrome from MY childhood- with me it was "jazz".

A few weeks ago, a radio man (who, by the way, was part of the German rock scene in the first five or so years in the seventies of this century) told Klaus Schulze and me on the air what Cope had written in his book about "Electronic Meditation" and we all had a good laugh still on the air. We all agreed that there ARE better and more important albums in the annals of rock music. There were many very good and essential and important rock records but not one from Germany (with rare exceptions, say, Kraftwerk). Anyway, on the radio we agreed also, that this book must be shit.

The trouble is - and this is not Cope's fault - that all the German journalists take Cope's private excitement as the given historic truth. They treat it as if it's a history book full of facts. No, it's just Cope's private opinion. In this domain, his book is certainly very good and exciting. But in its result to those stupid journalists and to some fans, it's awful.

Or, and this comes right now to my mind, could it be that all the non-musical people have - finally - their own bible? There is so much very good music available, from the past seven centuries up to today and the German rock scene in the 1970's is maybe worth a short visit, but... but.... A huge "but".

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 15:28 (eleven years ago) link

Well, it's called "Krautrocksampler" not "The Krautrock Antiquarium"

JCope has refused to reprint it, therefore the book is a 'collector's item'

Basically, if there is a need, other books need to fill it. There are more 'wide-ranging' books, right?

Also, Bands described as "good" do not suddenly become "bad" because they were laughed about 20 years ago, if anything the reverse (VU, Stooges, Etc)

Mark G, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 15:39 (eleven years ago) link

the guy does sound very bitter for some reason

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 15:40 (eleven years ago) link

In a huge German magazine that is given out free in a large chain of record stores, a writer reported about the tour of the re-united Amon Duul (normal result of the record company's press activity). In this article, the whole Krautrock scene was also mentioned. Suddenly nearly everything and every musician was "electronics" then (which is just not true; besides Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze and the Kraftwerk-clan it was close to nobody else). The most funny thing was that a man who is known for literally HATING electronics from about 1974 until recently, Florian Fricke (of "Popol Vuh"), was called THE EXPERT of electronic instrumentation in that magazine. Disgusting.

Bet that was the Tower Records Mag

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 15:40 (eleven years ago) link

History of Krautrock – Simon Reynolds

By Simon Reynolds
(first published in Melody Maker, July 1996)

The way out sounds of Krautrock are currently way "in". The evidence: a deluge of CD reissues, the publication of Julian Cope's enthralling pocket-size handbook "Krautrocksampler", a comeback LP by Faust, and a legion of contemporary bands, from Stereolab to Tortoise to Mouse On Mars, pledging fealty in word and deed. There's even a Krautrock club in London called Kosmische, which in turn inspired The Face to run a piece--complete with comically contrived and completely bogus photo-tableau of foxy young things grooving to Harmonia--on how the hippest thing in modern music was a bunch of aged German hippies.

So why Krautrock, and why now? Maybe it's simply because contemporary guitarpop on both sides of the Atlantic is unusually lame and conservative, and Krautrock beckons as a beacon indicating just how much can be done with the basic rock format of guitar, bass and drums. Seizing the possibilities of the recording studio, the German kosmische bands of the early '70s produced results as otherworldly and rhythmically sophisticated as today's "sampladelic" music (techno, drum & bass, hip hop, ambient etc). Today's Britpop and American corporate grunge'n' punk are overtly pre-psychedelic and anti-experimental, merging playsafe 1966-meets-1978 power-pop aesthetics with radio-friendly production. Krautrock--as the missing link between the tumult of the late '60s and the anti-rockist vanguard of 1979 (PiL etc)--is therefore a crucial resource for any contemporary band who resists the reductive notion that (pre-psych) Beatles + Buzzcocks = the Essence, the Way and the Truth, for Ever and Ever.

Immerse yourself in Krautrock--and this is the immersive, engulfing music par excellence--and you'll find a paradox at the music's heart: a combination of absolute freedom and absolute discipline. Krautrock is where the over-reaching ambition and untethered freakitude of late '60s acid rock is checked and galvanised by a proto-punk minimalism. Krautrock bands like Can, Neu! and Faust unleashed music of immense scale that miraculously avoided prog-rock's bombastics, its cult of virtuosity-for-virtuosity's-sake. Where progressive rock boasted "look at me, look how fast my fingers can go", Krautrock beseeched "look! look how VAST we can go'. Or as Can's Michael Karoli put it: "We weren't into impressing people, just caressing them'

Alongside Tim Buckley's "Starsailor", Miles Davis' circa"On The Corner", Yoko Ono circa "Fly", Krautrock was true fusion, merging psychedelic rock with funk groove, jazz improvisation, Stockhausen-style avant-electronics and ethnic flava in a way that avoided the self-congratulatory, dilettante eclecticism that marred even the best of the '70s jazz-rock bands, like Weather Report. Krautrock's primary inputs, and urgency, came from late '60s rock: Velvet Underground's mesmerising mantras, Hendrix's pyrotechnique, Syd Barrett-era Pink Floyd's chromatic chaos, plus dashes of West Coast folkadelic rock and the studio-centric experiments of Brian Wilson and the later Beatles. Equally significant is what they didn't draw on, namely the blues-bore purism sired by Cream and the Stones.

Tweaking this Anglo-American legacy, the German bands added a vital distance (coming to rock'n'roll as an alien import, they were able to make it even more alien), and they infused it with a German character that's instantly audible but hard to tag. A combination of Dada, LSD and Zen resulted in a dry absurdist humour that could range from zany tomfoolery to a sort of sublime nonchalance, a lightheaded but never lighthearted ease of spirit. Although they occasionally dipped their toes into psychedelia's darkside (the madness that claimed psychonauts such as Syd Barrett, Roky Erikson or Moby Grape's Skip Spence), what's striking about most Krautrock is how affirmative it is, even at its most demented. This peculiar serene joy and aura of pantheistic celebration is nowhere more evident than in the peak work of Can, Faust and Neu!
KRAUTROCK: THE CANON

If the triumvirate of Can/Faust/Neu! has gotten so cliched as a hip reference point, it's for a good reason. Despite being quite dissimilar and lacking any kind of fraternal, comradely feelings towards each other, Can, Faust and Neu! are the unassailable centre of Krautrock's pantheon-- its Dante/Shakespeare/Milton, or Beatles/Stones/Dylan, if you will.

CAN's core was a quartet of lapsed avant-garde and free jazz musicians (bassist Holger Czukay, guitarist Michael Karoli, keyboardist Irmin Schmidt and drummer Jaki Leibezeit) who--blown away by the VU and the Beatles' "I Am The Walrus"-- decided rock was where it was at. Can were the most funky and improvisational of the Krautrock bands. Recording in their own studio in a Cologne castle, they jammed all day, then edited the juiciest chunks of improv into coherent compositions. This was similar to the methodology used by Miles Davis and producer Teo Macero. As Can's band's resident Macero, Czukay deployed two-track recording and a handful of mikes to achieve wonders of proto-ambient spatiality, shaming today's lo-fi bands. Can's early sound--spartan, crisp-and-dry trance-rock, like the VU circa 'White Light' but with a smokin' rhythm section--peaked with the 15 minute mindquake of "Mother Sky". As the influence of James Brownian motion kicked in, Can began to fuse 'head' and 'booty', atmosphere and groove, like nobody else save Miles Davis. After the shamanic avant-funk of "Tago Mago" and the brittle angst-funk of "Ege Bamyasi", Can's music plunged into the sunshine with "Future Days", "Soon Over Babaluma" and "Landed", their mid-'70s 'Gaia trilogy'. A kind of mystic materialism quivers and pulses inside these ethnofunkadelic groovescapes and ambient oases, from the moon-serenade "Come Sta, La Luna" to the fractal funk and chaos theorems of "Chain Reaction/Quantum Physics". This is music that wordlessly but eloquently rejoices in Mother Nature's bounty and beauty.

Despite an almost utter absence of input from black music, NEU! were probably the closest to Can, in their sheer hypno-groove power and shared belief that "restriction is the mother of invention" (Holger Czukay's minimal-is-maximal credo). Devoid of funk or swing, Neu! is all about compulsive propulsion. Klaus Dinger was an astoundingly inventive, endlessly listenable drummer who worked magic within the confines of a rudimentary four-to-the-floor rock beat. Together with guitarist Michael Rother, he invented motorik, a metronomic, pulsating rhythm that instils a sublime sensation of restrained exhiliration, like gliding cruise-control down the freeway into a future dazzling with promise. That 'dazzle' comes from Rother's awesomely original guitarwork, all chiming radiance and long streaks'n' smears of tone-colour. Something like Germany's very own Television, Neu! bridged Byrdsy psychedelia and punk. They also did ambient texturescapes (e.g. the oceanside idyll "Leb' Wohl") and weird noise (after fucking up their recording budget, they filled the second side of 'Neu! 2" with sped-up and slowed-down versions of an earlier single!). But it's motorik excursions like "Hallogallo", ""Fur Immer" and "Isi" that constitute Neu's great legacy, one that's only now being fully exploited. FAUST similarly combined proto-punk mess-thetic with acid-rock's galactic grandeur. But instead of Neu! streamlined symettry, Faust oscillated wildly between filthy, fucked-up noise and gorgeous pastoral melody, between yowling antics and exquisitely-sculpted sonic objets d'art. Above all, Faust were maestros of incongruity; their albums are riddled with jarring juxtapositions and startling jumpcuts between styles. Heterogeneity was their anti-essence. This cut-up Dada side of Faust was explored to the hilt on 'The Faust Tapes', a collage album of some 26 segments, and it's a methodology revisited on their brand-new comeback LP album "Rien", which was assembled by producer Jim O'Rourke using live tapes of the band's recent reunion tour of America. But for all their avant-garde extremities, Faust were also great songwriters, scatttering amid the zany chaos such gems as the bittersweet psychedelic love-song "Jennifer" and the tres third Velvets Album acid blues of "It's A Bit Of A Pain".

Once you've immersed yourself in the best, what about the rest? ASH RA TEMPEL took The Stooges' downered wah-wah rock ("We Will Fall", "Ann', "Dirt") way way out into the mystic (but beware guitarist Manuel Gottsching's subsequent New Age dotage as Ash Ra). AMON DUUL II were the most baroque and bombastic of the krucial Kraut kontenders: imagine Led Zep produced by John Cale with Nico on vocals and a crate of magic mushrooms to hand. They had a fab line in lysergic song titles too: "Halluzination Guillotine", "Dehypnotised Toothpaste", "A Short Stop At The Transylvanian Brain Surgery". Their estranged sister-band AMON DUUL I pursued a similarly drug-burned rock, but were more primitivistic and sloppy. After Can/Faust/Neu!, CLUSTER were probably the most innovative and ahead-of-their time. After a spell as the purely avant-garde Kluster, the two-man soundlab of Hans-Joachim Roedelius and Dieter Moebius hit their stride with the mesmeric dronescapes of 'Cluster II' and "Cluster '71". Later, they traded in their armoury of FX-pedals and guitar-loops for synths, knocked out a bunch of bewitching albums with Brian Eno, and chalked up a mammoth oeuvre (as Cluster, but also solo and as Roedelius and Moebius) with the odd gem lurking amid much New Age mush. Hooking up with Neu!'s Michael Rother, the duo also recorded as HARMONIA, producing two albums worth of serene and soul-cleansing proto-electronica. Meanwhile Rother's estranged partner Dinger formed LA DUSSELDORF, peddling a pleasing punk-rock take on the Neu!-rush. POPOL VUH rival Cluster for creative incontinence; their vast, diverse discography ranges from meditational, Mediaevalist reveries to primordial, percussive freak-outs.

Although they were only "rock" for an instant, KRAFTWERK ought to be mentioned around about here. For three fascinating albums (and an interesting prequel as ORGANISATION), Ralf Hutter and Florian Schneider jumbled the New York minimalist school (La Monte Young, John Cage, Steve Reich etc) with German avant-electronics (Stockhausen). Then they staked everything on the idea that the synthesiser was the future, and won, becoming godfathers of Eurodisco, New Romanticism, Electro and Techno-Rave, not to mention a big influence on Bowie's "Low" and Spacemen 3's "Playing With Fire". 'Kraftwerk: the most important band of the 1970s' -- Discuss. TANGERINE DREAM followed a similar trajectory, shifting from their early transcendental rock (which produced four terrific albums) to synth-based proto-trance tedium. Early T. Dream associate KLAUS SCHULTZE also did a few interesting albums of early electronica noir.

Featuring Schultze and Ash Ra's Gottsching, COSMIC JOKERS/COURIERS were something of a Krautrock supergroup; their six elpees of hallucinogen-addled studio-shenanigans range from Gong-style buffoonery to Hawkind-like hurtles into the remotest reaches of der kosmos. Also treading a tightrope between sublime and ridiculous were BRAINTICKET and GURU GURU; both erred on the side of prog but still afford a fair amount of amusement.
KRAUTROCK: THE LEGACY

In their own day, the German kosmische bands were hip but not especially influential. Oddballs in Britain and America took similar sources as their launch-pad, but generally ended up in less appealing places (e.g. Henry Cow and the Canterbury school of jerky jazz-influenced art-rock). In the early '70s, only the Eno-era Roxy Music, Stooges' offshoot Destroy All Monsters, and Robert Fripp/Brian Eno's guitar-loop albums ("No Pussyfooting" etc) really picked up on German ideas. But in the immediate aftermath of 1977-and-all-that, bands were looking for ways to expand on punk's sonic fundamentalism without bloating up into prog-rock indulgence, and Krautrock provided a host of pointers for the post-punk vanguard. Can especially offered a fertile source of rhythmic ideas, not just for avant-funkateers like PiL and Pop Group, but also The Fall. Their early anthem "Repetition" ("repetition in the music and we're never gonna lose it") expressed Holger Czukay's creed of 'self-restriction" in word and sound; Mark E. Smith would later pen "I Am Damo Suzuki" as a tribute to Can's second and most barmy vocalist.

The pan-global panoramic trance-dance of Talking Heads' "Remain In Light" owed a lot to "Soon Over Babaluma", and yet more sincere flattery came in the form of David Byrne and "Remain" producer Eno's "My Life In The Bush of Ghosts" (1981). Its use of ethnic vocal samples was unfavourably compared with Czukay's recent "Movies", whose "Persian Love" recontextualised an Iranian ballad; in actual fact, Holger had got there 12 years earlier with "Canaxis", which used Vietnamese boat-woman's song! Meanwhile, the then freshly reissued Faust were impacting the burgeoning "industrial" scene (Cabaret Voltaire, Zoviet France, This Heat, Nurse With Wound, etc), their collage aesthetic paralleling the in-vogue cut-up techniques of William Burroughs.

In the late '80s, Krautrock's influence shifted from rhythm & structure, towards texture & sonority. Loop covered "Mother Sky", then mutated into the"Cluster II" tribute band, Main. Spacemen 3 reached Kraftwerk-like Elysian fields on "Playing With Fire", while its sequel bands often have an uncanny resemblance to Neu! (Spiritualized) and Cluster (Spectrum, E.A.R.). A single Neu! track, "Negativland", prophesised Lee Ranaldo & Thurston Moore's "reinvention of the guitar" and harmonic dissonance on "Sister" and "Daydream Nation". Sonic Youth paid homage with the silly filler track "Two Cool Rock Chicks Listening to Neu!' on their silly Ciccone Youth side-project.

In the '90s, Krautmania blew up big time. First, there was American lo-fi: Pavement, Thinking Fellers Union, Mercury Rev, F/i, Truman's Water (who covered not one but TWO Faust songs), Soul-Junk. Then came the international drone-rock network (Flying Saucer Attack, Labradford, the Dead C/Gate, Flies Inside The Sun, Third Eye Foundation), and the neo-Neu! motorik maniacs (Stereolab, Trans-Am, Quickspace Supersport), and the nouveau kosmonauts (Sabalon Glitz, Telstar Ponies, Cul De Sac) and the post-rock groove collectives (Laika, Tortoise, Pram, Moonshake, Rome), and even the odd art-tekno outfit (Mouse On Mars). Inevitably, the referencing is getter more arcane: Cluster & Eno with Labradford, Popol Vuh with Flying Saucer and Sabalon, Cosmic Jokers with Telstar....

Why is the Krautrock legacy being embraced so fervently, at this precise point in time? Firstly, Krautrock is one of the great eras of guitar-reinvention. Expanding on the innovations of Hendrix, Syd Barrett, the VU, etc, the Krautrock bands explored the electric guitar's potential as source of sound-in-itself. Fed through effects-pedals and the mixing desk, the guitar ceased to be a riff-machine and verged on an analog synthesiser, i.e. a generator of timbre and tone-colour. As such, the Krauts anticipated the soundpainting and texturology of today's post-rock, while still retaining the rhythmic thrust of rock'n'roll.

Second, Krautrock brought into focus an idea latent in rock, from Bo Diddley to the Stooges to the Modern Lovers: that the rhythmic essence of rock music, what made it different from jazz, was a kind of machinic compulsion. Pitched somewhere between Kraftwerk's man-machine rigour and James Brown's sex-machine sweat, bands like Can and Neu! created grooves that fused the luscious warmth of flesh-and-blood funk with the cold precision of techno. There was a spiritual aspect to all this, sort of Zen and the Art of Motorik Maintenance: the idea that true joy in life isn't liberation from work but exertion, fixation, a trance-like state of immersion in the process itself, regardless of outcome. Holger Czukay declared: "Repetition is like a machine... If you can get aware of the life of a machine then you are definitely a master ... [machines] have a heart and soul... they are living beings'." . Taking this idea of the 'soft machine' or 'desiring machine' even further, Neu! created a new kind of rhythm for rock, bridging the gap between rock'n'roll's syncopation and disco's four-to-the-floor metronomics. As Stereolab's Tim Gane says, "Neu!'s longer tracks are far closer to the nature of house and techno than guitar rock."

Beyond all this, Krautrock is simply fabulous music, a dizzy kaleidoscope of crazily mixed up and incompatible emotions and sensations (wonder, poignancy, nonchalance, tenderness, derangement), an awesome affirmation of possibility that inevitably appeals in an age when guitar-based music appears to be contracting on a weekly basis. Listeners are turning to it, not as a nostalgia-inducing memento of some wilder, more daring golden age they never lived through, but as a treasure trove of hints and clues as to what can be done right here, right now. Krautrock isn't history, but a living testament that there's still so far to go.

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 15:43 (eleven years ago) link

A SHORT HISTORY OF THE CAN - DISCOGRAPHY
by Holger Czukay (May 1997)

CAN's first recording ever was made in June 1968 during our first concert for a modern art exhibition at Schloss Nvrvenich near Cologne. It is called PREHISTORIC FUTURE and was released 1984 on the Tago Mago label in Paris as a limited number of mono-cassettes (2000 pressings). For the first time we recorded samples of the students' rebellion of 1968 in Paris and these became an important part of the concert. From there on we were lucky in obtaining the permission for building up our own studio in Schloss Nvrvenich. This studio consisted of 2 stereo tape-deck machines and about 4 microphones. A musician's amplifier was used as our 'recording mixer'. We immediately started recording film music for a young German film director and through this experience we decided to become a rhythmically orientated 'heavy weight' group in combination with ethnological influences- sometimes at least. And as we were trying to imitate 'primitive sounds' CAN ended up with its Ethnological Forgery Serie and did not even stop at imitating a Japanese No spectacle. Of course we regarded these attempts more from the humorous than from a perfect performance side.

The first regular CAN album was MONSTER MOVIE and the first piece we recorded was 'Father Cannot Yell.' We thought more of a collapsing building in slow motion pictures than becoming heroes on our instruments. Everything was spontaneously recorded by 'instant composition'. 'Yoo Doo Right' was an unusual long piece of music at that time with a rhythm which did not belong to the world of Rock 'n Roll. It seemed more to be played by an electric tribe band with adequate instruments of that time.

The album SOUNDTRACKS became more an in-between project,because it took CAN much more time in finishing the double album TAGO MAGO than we thought. Of course we could not live by our income from live gigs or record sales and so CAN was lucky in doing several film musics. The title tracks of the pictures were released as soundtracks on the SOUNDTRACK album. 'Don't Turn the Light on, Leave Me Alone' was Damo's first recording with CAN ever. This piece expresses Damo's mood at that time I think, after I found him singing or 'praying' loud in the streets of Munich. Jaki and me were sitting outside in a cafe when Damo came near. I said to Jaki: 'This will be our new singer.' Jaki: 'how can you say that, you don't even know him.' I got up from my seat, went to Damo and asked him if he is free for the evening. We were an experimental rock group and we were going to play a concert the night- sold out. Damo said he had nothing special to do, so why shouldn't he sing. The venue was packed that evening and Damo started murmuring like a meditating monk. All of a sudden he turned into a fighting samurai, the audience was shocked and almost everybody left the hall. About 30 Americans were left and got totally excited about what they heard. Among them was Hollywood actor David Niven who probably thought he was attending to some sort of nightmare happening.

TAGO MAGO was CAN's official second album and was an attempt in achieving a mystery musical world from light to darkness and return. The album consisted not only out of regularly recorded music, but for the first time we combined 'in-between-recordings', that means the musicians were secretly recorded in the pauses when a new microphone and recording set up was being established. In that time the rest of the group just played in order to make the time pass by instead of waiting till the technical problems were solved. And there was always one microphone and one recorder on standby position for such cases. Altogether certainly a psychedelic experience, and the studio itself even turned into something new e.g. by changing dramatically the whole illumination.

At the end of 1971 CAN moved into another village with their studio equipment where we rented an old cinema which wasn't any longer used as such.The walls were covered by new walls out of 1500 military matresses and the studio looked like an elephant from inside. We could achieve an excellent dry and ambient sound in there and the interior submitted a cozy landscape feeling with all possibilities of spontaneous recordings. EGE BAMYASI was the first album made in this new environment and reflects the group being in a lighter mood than it was in Schloss Nvrvenich. 'Vitamin C' became the title track of the Hollywood movie 'Dead Pigeon' by Samuel Fuller and 'Spoon' was another title track of a TV-gangster series. Everytime about 30 million people switched their TV on, they heard this and so it didn't surprise when 'Spoon' became a top ten hit in Germany. And 'Spoon' was one of the first pieces banded on tape in combination of an electric drum machine and a drummer who was himself an i n h u m a n machine.

As 'Spoon' was so successful CAN could afford having some summer holidays for the first time in its short history. And when everyone returned back to the Inner Space Studio, the music had this summer feeling too. A lot of editings and cuttings were involved during the production and for the first time I could concentrate myself only on bass playing and didn't function as CAN's recording engeneer at the same time. This became the job for our roadies now. Especially 'Bel Air' showed CAN in a state of being an electric symphony group performing a peaceful though sometimes dramatic landscape painting.

And it was the calm weather before the storm too. Damo got married to a German girl from the Jehovas' Witness religion and left CAN. For the rest of the group it was the feeling of a powerful fist strike into one's stomach. We tried out many other singers,but nobody suited to us anymore. So guitarist Michael Karoli and space organist Irmin Schmidt and sometimes me filled the gap. SOON OVER BABALUMA was the last album which was recorded straight onto stereo without a multi-tracking machine. An era came to an end. But it was also the birth of something new. 'Quantum Physics' became one of the first ambient music pieces with a sort of techno character thanks to Jaki's fabulous machine drumming and Irmin's prehistoric synthesizer 'alpha 77'.

In all these years from 1968 to 1974 a lot of unofficial in between recordings came to existence. This was somehow the other face of CAN. These recordings were first released as a LIMITED EDITION album and later got expanded to UNLIMITED EDITION. This double album witnesses the extraordinary mood of the Inner Space Studio and only in such a place these recordings had been possible. We have tested out other professional studios but none could equal our private home studio which put the musicians in such a special state of creativity.

In 1975, CAN obtained their first 16 track recorder and that gave a lot of change to the groups musical output. LANDED became the first CAN album which got a real mix- a professional mix so to speak. The ambient aspect had its successor in 'Unfinished' and for the first time a guest musician appeared on an CAN album: Olaf Kubler from Amon Duul played saxophone on 'Red Hot Indians'.

FLOW MOTION showed how CAN got influenced by reggae music, though no song of this album is actually reggae music. But I remember attending for the first time Bob Marley in concert and I was really impressed by the drums and bass and the reggae-designed guitar work. The very sinister 'Smoke' reminded me of CAN getting back into the sixties again and 'I Want More' took CAN into the U.K. charts, giving an impression of CAN's danceable power. One of my favourite pieces became 'Flow Motion' itself and this time it didn't matter that nobody was singing. It was the nucleus of the group performing this music as it had been from the very beginning since its existence.

The times were changing. During a TV-recording in England we met the musicians of TRAFFIC and two of them soon visited us at Inner Space. Rebop and Rosko Gee liked the way we were approaching music and so they got involved as the new temporary CAN members leading especially the rhythms into a fluent bombardment. It was the time when I invented a new instrumental scenario for myself which switched CAN to different medias like radio tuning, prepared samples of other ethno worlds, electronic treatments and a different instrumental line up as such. 'Animal Waves' of SAW DELIGHT became a journey into other countries and their musical cultures. All of this was synchronized by an activated morse key. Without our new members from TRAFFIC, this intensive musical flow would have never been established.

And as everything comes once to an end, the CAN album showed a last time the glance of a vanishing star. 'All Gates Open' is synonymous for it. And we could take that title straight. All gates really came open for each member of the band going their own musical way which everyone had dreamed of - until 1987, when our first singer Malcolm Mooney wrote us a letter from the United States asking if we couldn't come together again. Since his departure from the group he got named as an artist without having made an attempt as a singer again. He wanted to know how it feels again standing with the band behind a microphone, which had made him so sick when he had left. We all came together in the beautiful landscape of South France and a new spirit came up with the first recordings. In the meantime the group became slowly matured still remaining the original CAN of the old days with an uptodate musical output. RITE TIME was born and especially 'In the Distance lies the Future' became one of my favourite CAN pieces of all time.

With such an amount of musical material recorded in around 10 years it became obvious that new combinations and shorted versions were finding its way into CANIBALISM I to III. The listener who gets in contact with CAN's music for the first time will get a concentrated impression on certain essential aspects. 'Animal Waves' on CANIBALISM II was never cutted so effectively to the point as it is on this album. And this is only one example.

One thing shouldn't been forgotten: when our first album entitled PREPARED TO MEET THY PNOOM was finished no record company wanted to get hold of that kind of music. So we decided to go on recording and try it again. This was leading to MONSTER MOVIE and we made a private pressing out of it, before a record company wanted to sign us. These very first recordings were later released as DELAY 1968. When I did the mastering in the beginning of the eighties the enigmatic German producer Conny Planck listened to it and got excited saying: 'As long as CAN playes 'Soul' they are unbeatable.' 'Little Star of Bethlehem' is one of the first recordings with inserted overdub parts of the whole group.

1997 becomes the year where other musicians show the timeless aspect of CAN's music in the new remix album SACRILEGE. And this is the Sound of CAN in the nineties.


http://www.furious.com/perfect/hysterie2.html

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, I read that Mueller piece when it came out. What a dick. He didn't even read the book. I disagree with some of Cope's choices, but for a flaky acid-fried musician he's a decent writer, and he doesn't pretend to be the authoritah. He was just one of the first to be bothered to publish anything. Mueller doesn't provide any alternative recommendations to counterbalance Copey's little kosmische canon, just a bunch of whining. Cracks In The Cosmic Egg, however, is disappointing. I bought the DVD years ago and there's no personality or enthusiasm in the writing at all.

Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 15:55 (eleven years ago) link

Nice piece by Reynolds. He's much better when he's enthusiastic about something rather than talking about why music is broken.

Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link

I enjoy cope's enthusiasm for the music he loves.

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link

welcome to the machine
The Face, No. 98, November 1996

Julian Cope has championed it, new Nineties bands are ransacking it and the ageing German hippies that first created it are now packing in techno and indie converts. Word is out on Krautrock, the Seventies trance underground that was the best kept secret in music history - until now.
"I was definitely looking for something new. I'd started to get really fed up with garagey guitar bands. Then I came down to London to see Faust. The bass player was hitting his guitar so hard that his hands were covered in blood. They were playing this incredible pure noise for the first 20 minutes. You don't tend to get that at the average Sleeper gig."

Vicky Spilsted is 24. She used to listen to Sonic Youth, Ultra Vivid Scene and "loads of indie rock". Now she listens to Faust, Can and Cosmic Jokers. She makes the four-hour train journey from Edinburgh to London just to attend strange, one-off club nights going under names like "Kosmische" or to see rare performances by obscure Seventies groups like Amon Düül. Yes, some of the groups Vicky reveres still exist and have members that could probably take her age, double it, then add ten.

Vicky has discovered perhaps the best kept musical secret of the past 30 years. Consigned to the dustbin for wearing the wrong trousers, Krautrock demands your attention. It is the influential thread running through so much "new" Nineties music. And, as the pile-up of "new" bands stealing from a sound and an attitude can be traced back to experimental pop musicians working in early-Seventies Germany grows, Krautrock is screaming out to be explored. "I went to see Stereolab last year," adds Vicky. "It was packed and I looked around and thought, 'So how many people here have actually heard Neu!?'"

Similar sentiments are expressed by the colourful Kosmische crew, a London-based collective who have been pioneering Krautrock club nights in the capital over the last four months. "Listen to Stereolab and you can virtually hear whole Neu! records lifted and reworked a bit," says the club's co-promoter Flint. "I think it's important that people out there get to hear all the incredible, obscure records that have inspired bands like Stereolab."

"The interest is definitely there," says his club-running partner Leon. "We weren't sure at first, but when we put a few flyers around earlier this year we had at least a hundred people asking what was happening."

The first Kosmische club night featured a performance by the British psychedelic guru Brian Barritt, who, with the help of a bottle of 7-Up laced with industrial-strength LSD, once made a record with Timothy Leary and Krautrock supergroup Ash Ra Tempel. This record (for obvious reasons called "7-Up") is so far out there you need binoculars to find it. It also encompasses the kind of madcap spirit that Kosmische are now busy trying to incorporate into their exotic nights, employing huge backdrops and projection shows in an effort to create a uniquely Kraut environment.

"That first Kosmische night in July was like nothing I've been to in years," says 26-year-old Londoner and photographic assistant Mark Fay. "People were standing around dazed - not quite knowing how to react to this incredible old guy up at the front who was out-raving the lot of them. It was like: 'Is this a club or a gig or an art statement?' It'll be interesting to see where these sort of nights can go from here."

I decide to track down Brian Barritt to ask him much the same question. At the age of 61, he is obviously still running on some kind of five-star rock'n'roll petrol. "I want to see as much action as possible at this new club," he tells me. "I want to feel that old vibe all over again." Kosmische Leon is more immediately concerned with getting the right DJs for his events. "We've asked a lot of people we know would be great but they don't want to bring their ? albums out to a club and have some Krautrock virgin spill lager all over them. That's the danger, isn't it?"
Turn to page 74 for a fashion feature on the Krautrock look. A list of suppliers of army greatcoats and kaftans can now be found in the back of the magazine. Only joking. Or am I?

I've not asked my mother yet, but I'm sure if I did she would advise me never to trust a man in leggings. Certainly, she wouldn't invest her life savings with a man who looked anything like Julian Cope does these days - after all, he wears a pointed hat and tends to go on and on about great lumps of prehistoric concrete that get in the way of a good motorway. But by the close of the Nineties Julian Cope just might have been re-evaluated and become as hip as a Jeep-load of cussing MCs. Overdue for reappraisal or not, for my money Cope has more to say right now than any of the current crop of daft fuckers pretending to be The Small Faces.

According to these people, those "Noelrock" devotees with their earnest top 50s full of "Pet Sounds" and Neil Young's "Zuma", the only musical history we have is contained in the racks of any high street HMV. But with his passionate book, Krautrocksampler (first published at the start of this year and already on to its third reprint), and with his tireless free-press campaign on behalf of a lost nation of German hippies either chemically smashed beyond caring, dead or in steady teaching jobs, Cope has helped join the dots in a hidden history.

"The time is right for this music," he chatters excitedly over the phone. "Sure, some of it is over 25 years old now, but to a lot of people it hasn't made sense before. The world just needed to get weirder and catch up. I just wanted people to know that this is hard motherfucker of a music. It's not some wimpy hippy shit."

Definitions, then. Krautrock: the result of experimental minds on serious drugs trying to make inspired pop/rock music (and often failing miserably). Rock'n'roll innovation with a repetitious trance element to its groove. The great radical music of the Seventies.

The German groups of that time actually encouraged the Krautrock tag, titling albums things like "Mr Kraut's Jinx" and "Rastakrautpasta". But a news blackout inspired by punk made sure that much of this sort of thing passed by unheard. That blackout is over now. Time to make point that Can were at least as important as The Clash.

Some personal Kraut observations: there are no 20-minute drum solos, precious little "progressive" "axe" strangling going on, and this music has fuck all to do with Rick Wakeman or Gong. Some of those bands back then may well have looked like they'd been dragged through a hedge backwards, but - honest! - I don't hear anyone singing about gnomes and fairies on these records. Krautrock studio innovators such as Dieter Dirks and Conny Plank are matched only by other Seventies innovators such as Lee Perry and King Tubby in their breathtaking ability to make music fly, yet they remain largely unsung heroes.
But why do you need to know all this when all you want to do is sing in the middle of a football field singing old Slade songs? Because without Can's "Halleluhwah" there would be no loose-limbed cover version by Happy Mondays, and Black Grape would have far less of a sleazy swagger. Yes, Shaun Ryder and his mates have been digging and openly lifting Krautrock for years now. (Without mentioning Stone Roses, whose "Fool's Gold" was almost directly nicked from Can's "Vitamin C" -ER.) Without Neu!, David Bowie and Brian Eno would have been stuck for ideas during a good portion of the late Seventies.
Without Kraftwerk, Afrika Bambaataa wouldn't have caught the Trance Disco Express called electro, and without that Juan Atkins wouldn't have laid the bare bones of techno for Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson to see. Without the more extreme experiments of Krautrock, The Aphex Twin would sound like Disco Tex and PIL's much-lauded "Metal Box" simply would not exist. And that twisted wail John Lydon uses on Leftfield's "Open Up"? That belongs to Renate Knaup, a woman in her forties who did a tour of Japan with Amon Düül II a few months ago and got mobbed by teenagers obsessed with records she helped make 25 years ago.
Oh, and check The Beastie Boys' listening recommendations in their own Grand Royal magazine. Yes, that's why those spaced-out jams on "Ill Communication" sound so engagingly raw and Can-like.

All just so you understand. When we talk about this music we are not just speaking about history. We are talking about the Tortoise record that is single of the week in the NME and has been remixed over at Mo'Wax. We are talking about that brilliant techno record that you bought yesterday that takes its cues and clips from Manuel Gottsching's "E2-E4".

It was almost a relief when easy listening became fashionable. The public had been happy to remain ignorant about Krautrock anyway, despite the name-dropping here and there of Cluster and Can. But Julian Cope's book has reinvigorated the Kraut groundswell, successfully tying all the bits and pieces together and helpfully informing that the phrases "Krautrock" and "progressive rock" are not one and the same. The book was by no means definitive - the anoraks, old Kraut heads and spotters are still moaning about it - but Cope had never meant it to be. He called it a "field guide" - in effect, a cool shopping list. "I don't want to put people off the music," he stresses. "I just want to infect people with a delirious desire to go out and buy loads of mad CDs."

Could the swelling success of a crop of British bands who openly admit a huge debt to Krautrock (notably Porcupine Tree and the superb Main) mean that the prospect of a Krautrock Oasis is now perilously close? You never know. Certainly, more and more people are now name-checking Porcupine Tree, a band who recently spawned a sideline project called The Incredible Expanding Mindfuck - an obvious tribute to the Kraut genre with four tracks ingeniously cloning the sounds of Neu!, Can, Cluster and Faust. "We were just having fun," says Porcupine Tree's singer Steve Wilson. "I'm fascinated with the simplicity and repetition in the music. It's like house and techno except it's more interesting because it changes in subtle ways. This music is the antithesis of progressive rock. Faust were far more radical than The Sex Pistols for me. While John Lydon was still picking his nose they really were smashing up pinball machines."

Vicky Spilsted isn't so sure about the new bands claiming Kraut allegiance. "We've got to make sure this doesn't become some sort of 'new wave of new wave' thing. It's like, if you're 14 years old and you heard a S*M*A*S*H record, you might think they were pretty amazing. But their music has none of the intensity punk originally had." Julian Cope, on the other hand, says he can't get upset by anyone who is getting inspired by the Krautrock groundswell. "If there were any imitation Krautrock bands out there I would definitely go and see them. I'd love to hear some young bands taking some chances, playing some 20-minute freakouts."

This is no mere London clubland infatuation. Piccadilly Records in Manchester has been selling "bucketloads" of reissue CDs since Krautrocksampler was published. Manager John confirms that techno and indie converts have been slipping Ash Ra Tempel LPs and CDs into their bags of Orbital and Money Mark. Paul at Greyhound, a company which distributes records nationally, points out that even shops which might have sold just house and techno a year or two back are now ordering records by Popol Vuh and Tangerine Dream.

Manuel Gottsching's massively influential "E2-E4", meanwhile, which effectively got remade by Carl Craig as "Sueno Latino" a few years back (actually, "Sueno Latino" was by the Italians Persi, Collono and Gemolotto, as "Remake Uno & Duo" by Carl Craig's Paperclip People project approriated the "E2-E4" sample -ER), was recently reissued on vinyl and caused a real stir in Britain's dance record shops. Dedpite the fact that it is now freely available, some shops - aware of its previous rarity - were still charging up to ? a copy and getting it. DJing in Manchester recently, Richie Hawtin and John Aquaviva spotted it during a record-buying trip to Eastern Bloc and each bought four copies.

The Kraut originators aren't necessarily ageing gracefully; the members of Amon Düül II, for example are approaching 50 without due care and attention. The band's singer Renate Knaup - still the ultimate Krautrock siren - claims that during a recent mini-tour of Japan a young girl stood in front of her singing every word and mimicking her movements. "It was very strange. I just wasn't ready for that kind of reaction," she tells me.

Despite having no record to promote and zero coverage by the mainstream media, Amon Düül II sold out three big concerts in Japan, as well as two packed gigs at London's Astoria and Shepherd's Bush Empire. FACE contributor Cliff Jones was among those in attendance at the Astoria show: "I think that gig was the first moment of collective consciousness for Nineties Krautrock - a gathering of the tribes in the good old-fashioned sense," says Jones. "All these pockets of people, from teenagers to old muso-heads, were so overwhelmingly enthusiastic for this music."

After DJing in Nottingham recently I met 22-year old Paul Coulam, who mentioned that he's persuaded two of his mates to drive down to London for this same Amon Düül gig. "If you had walked in there off the street you wouldn't have made any sense of it. But to me they were fucking brilliant. It kind of filled in the gaps. I'm hanging around with people who think Underworld are experimental. This music reaches far beyond that."

But a nation of indie kids planning holidays in Munich looking for the legendary Cosmic Cavern? Krautrock mix CDs from Danny Rampling and Jeremy Healy? Isn't a special musical secret now in danger of being spoiled? And isn't all your fault, Mr Cope?

The Druid is having none of it. "I'm just glad that all the things that have happened recently have put straight all those people who declared this music to be nothing more than crap Euro Rock," he says. "People were laughed at for being into this music. A few years back I used to get pissed off when I went into a second-hand record shop and saw all these albums just sitting there not being appreciated. Somebody just needed to define this music..."

For the record, it's called Krautrock and Neu means "new" in German".

A YOUNG PERSON'S GUIDE TO KRAUTROCK
EIGHT KOSMISCHE KILLERS
Even if you think Noel is a genius you should try and listen to these:

Can "Tago Mago" (Spoon/Mute)
Ash Ra Tempel "Same" (Spalax)
Cluster "Zuckerzeit" (Spalax)
Faust "IV" (Virgin)
Neu! "Neu '75" (Germanofon)
Amon Düül II "Lemmingmania" (Captain Trip)
Cosmic Jokers "Galactic Supermarket" (Spalax)
Harmonia "Deluxe" (Spalax)

©1996 The Face

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link

Nice piece by Reynolds. He's much better when he's enthusiastic about something rather than talking about why music is broken.

― Fastnbulbous,

Oh totally. At what point in time did he become so jaded? (did posting on ILM early on contribute to that ? or was it Dissensus? haha)

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 16:05 (eleven years ago) link


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