"had nirvana not signed to sub pop... we would probably never have heard of..." Sub Pop.
― NickB, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Was there ever a thread for people to post their own abysmal juvenile music writings from uni days?
― Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Not that I'd post on it, my capsule reviews of Kinesis singles were all fuckin bang-on.
perhaps one day i will post my 8/10 track by track review of 'Be Here Now' from the time.
― blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, you real writers are all jealous that you've lost the ability to write like that, aren't you?
― StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:26 (sixteen years ago) link
I wrote a two-part article in my uni paper called "Rhythm & Sound", which basically stated that all rock music that's based on melody or lyrics is boring crap, and that beats and sound are the essential components of good music - hence electronic dance music (and fusion jazz) is the best music there is. I got some angry comments from the indie kids.
― Tuomas, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:27 (sixteen years ago) link
Kudos on sticking it to Westlife, tho, Jonny Garrett of Exeter University.
and kudos to you lot for bravely and relentlessly going after such a signifivcant target as jonny garrett. sure showed him!
ts being one of many thick students w/ bad music taste who can't write, vs being someone who actually gives a shit about what said student writes in some minor student rag
or, matt'n'steve otm, u r all losers
― lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:27 (sixteen years ago) link
but the democratization of criticism basically leaves us with this sort of landscape (coughcoughP.E.W.cough).
student newspapers have nothing to do with the "democratization of criticism"
― Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:28 (sixteen years ago) link
I can't copy and paste from the Exeter Expose, but if you Google you can find a review where our Jonny talks about "Indy music".
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:28 (sixteen years ago) link
also why do nearly all student newspaper writers write in what feels like the same voice? there's certain syntax and word choices that only student newspapers ever seem to have.
paul please, please tell me you don't actually care about the answer to this
― lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:29 (sixteen years ago) link
-- lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:29 (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
http://downloadsimpsons.com/files/malibu_stacy.jpg
"Thinking too much gives you wrinkles"
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:31 (sixteen years ago) link
haaaaaa
― Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:33 (sixteen years ago) link
come on everyone, geir gives himself away in the final parentheses.
― Frogman Henry, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:34 (sixteen years ago) link
ha. not sure i care as such! a while back i had a job gathering information on universities, i found it kind of funny that you can go anywhere in the country and every student newspapers seems to be written by the same person. it sort of interests me to know who, if anyone, they are imitating. if my current job was more interesting this issue would, i think, seem rather less pressing.
xp
― acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:35 (sixteen years ago) link
i love the line about nirvana: nirvana's main block to future gold albums was kurt cobain's inability to accept the "popular culture lifestyle he was made to live", nothing about JUNKIE SUICIDE.
― Frogman Henry, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:37 (sixteen years ago) link
I think it's a lot more interesting to analyse and discuss the views of someone like Jonny Garrett than it is, I dunno, Petridish or Reynolds or Chuck Eddy or whoever. ILX falls into a trap of ivory towering itself, qf whoever it was on the purchase of music thread who was all "two and a half CDs a year? Everyone I know buys much more than that!". We gotta embrace the layman here guys.
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:39 (sixteen years ago) link
keep in mind this kid was like 8 when Kurdt committed suicide and has probably been bombarded by Nirvana mythologies since he started showing an interest in altrock
― Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Heh, this is a great idea. Yeah gotta say though, opinion pieces like this are ten a penny in this strange little further education world
― DJ Mencap, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:41 (sixteen years ago) link
there is thou a difference between "analyse and discuss" and "attack and dismiss"
― acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe in the real world, but on ILM?
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:43 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm still not sure when Cobain was adopted as an indie icon, tbh. When I was a teen, Melody Maker was still all "lol miserable junkie loved by them Kerrang oafs" about him.
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:44 (sixteen years ago) link
I disagree that student writing is exempt from criticism. One's worldview may not be fully formed by the age of 20, but a journalistic voice should be.
Plus, this is just too awful to leave it alone. A phrase like "There has been a movement against corporate music, labels and magazines, which is thankfully disappearing, probably ever since Bob Dylan's move from acoustic to electric" is a jaw-dropper in any context.
― Erroneous Botch, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:46 (sixteen years ago) link
This, totally; what kind of culture are we propagating where these attitudes develop? Why does this guy think this? He's in a band, he's at university, he'd self-identify as 'loving music', he obviously has journalistic ambitions at the same time, and he writes this? Yes, he's young, but not all young people are writing stuff like this, are they?
― Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:46 (sixteen years ago) link
young aspiring music journalists should go to ILM training camp
― Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:48 (sixteen years ago) link
http://duckdown.downloadcentric.com/content/Duck%20Down%20Records/Products/Audio%20Downloads/Boot%20Camp%20Clik/The%20Last%20Stand/DDM%20CD%202035%7B0%7D_large.jpg
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:50 (sixteen years ago) link
more liek:
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0001Y9YAW.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
― Frogman Henry, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes, he's young, but not all young people are writing stuff like this, are they?
most of them are, most of them always have, some of them get better as they, you know, grow up - i'm not denying that it's awful writing but i guess the question for me is, do you not feel your life ebbing away from you with every second you spend contemplating this rote and in no way unusual piece of student hackery? do you have this much spare time?? at this point i'mma take my own advice and exit thread stage left.
― lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Our dominant myths about Art are still Romantic ones: the Artwork is a self-sufficient object, expressing universal truths and the personality of the artist, and has to be grounded in sincere, authentic feelings. Those ideas are still so fundamental (amongst people who think about aesthetics) that most critics have to unlearn them or react against them before they can think about other ways of apprehending music/literature/TV comedy. This isn't exactly a mystery, it's been going on for 200 years.
― Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:54 (sixteen years ago) link
(b/c you know, if dude ever actually finds this thread, he's just gonna go HURRAH 100-POST THREAD TALKING ABOUT MEEEEE, I HAVE SUCCEEDED)
(ok that's it)
― lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:54 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't know if the age of the writer is that important. There are plenty of people twice his age out there who would write/argue the same things so you might as well be arguing with them on the same basis. Expecting all young writers to reject rockism is too (p)optimistic.
― blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:58 (sixteen years ago) link
<i>I'm still not sure when Cobain was adopted as an indie icon, tbh. When I was a teen, Melody Maker was still all "lol miserable junkie loved by them Kerrang oafs" about him.</i>
Dom, MM *was* pretty much behind early Sub Pop what with all Everett True's coverage and whatnot. I reckon Nirvana were an initially an indie kid thing here before the whole grunge pandemic hit (but I guess you're talking about the period after that).
― NickB, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh fuck<i>ng tags.
some of that piece is kind of chuck eddy like
― acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 14:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Garrett doesn't call Westlife a bhangra act though, so there are differences.
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 14:06 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm talking about bands like Feeder, Coldplay and the Stereophonics who have (over time) offered more to music than many of the bands that the NME claim will change your life.
didn't the NME claim that Feeder/Coldplay/Stereophonics will change your life?
i'm drunk, but this guy should be sacked.
― Just got offed, Monday, 18 June 2007 14:09 (sixteen years ago) link
That's the kind of management technique that'll see you running in JP Morgan by the time your 31.
― acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 14:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Feeder/Coldplay/Stereophonics
I MEAN SRSLY THIS IS LIKE TEH AXIS OF EVIL
― Just got offed, Monday, 18 June 2007 14:12 (sixteen years ago) link
he's just gonna go HURRAH 100-POST THREAD TALKING ABOUT MEEEEE, I HAVE SUCCEEDED
I didn't know you went to Exeter.
(xpost oh J4gger's here ding ding ding)
― Matt DC, Monday, 18 June 2007 14:13 (sixteen years ago) link
RULE FOUR NOW APPLIES TO ALL BETS IN THREAD
(exp)
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 14:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Drunk at 3pm = living the dream
― DJ Mencap, Monday, 18 June 2007 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Drinking cider from eleven?
― Matt DC, Monday, 18 June 2007 14:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Not only do I have plenty of articles google'able online that are humiliating - I still write articles on occasion that are poorly written. So, I sympathize for college-music-writer. Can't we at least go after people who get paid to write poorly?
― Mordechai Shinefield, Monday, 18 June 2007 14:36 (sixteen years ago) link
So we should be gentle because of: - age? ("but the Arctic Monkeys were only 19 when they..." "Oh, OK then, 10/10") - experience? ("but it's only their first album ever!" "Oh, OK then, 10/10")
?
― StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 14:43 (sixteen years ago) link
There are dedicated threads for them (xpost).
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 18 June 2007 14:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Mordechai OTM
No writing is exempt from criticism, but a college kid getting his footing should be exempt from a 100-post sonning by a bunch of adults.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 18 June 2007 14:44 (sixteen years ago) link
"adults"
― StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link
If I was the writer in question I'd be more offended by the insinuation that I wasn't an adult myself.
― Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Burchill started on the NME when she was 17.
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 18 June 2007 14:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Doogie Howser was performing surgery at 18, does this mean I should start a thread about how some high school kid dissected his worm wrong?
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 18 June 2007 14:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Please accept my use fictional character as an appropriate metaphor for real life situations. Haha.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 18 June 2007 14:49 (sixteen years ago) link
https://readdork.com/albums/the-blinders-beholder/
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Friday, 1 March 2024 17:40 (two months ago) link
No shade meant to you, irrational, actually more of a thank you, as I was lost in my Cali election work, thus was unable to do much music reading this past week. Dork was totally right about The Blinders' new alb. Hell yeah!
― Front-loaded albums are musical gerrymandering (Prefecture), Monday, 4 March 2024 03:33 (two months ago) link
https://www.vox.com/culture/24099908/justin-timberlake-everything-i-thought-it-was-britney-scandal-forgiveness
why
Now, after years away from the spotlight (and one Instagram apology), Timberlake is releasing a new album titled Everything I Thought It Was. So far, its lead single (“Selfish”) and promotional track (“Drown”) point to a more mellow, R&B-lite direction for the singer — with the exception of the gospel-flavored song “Sanctified,” which previewed on Saturday Night Live. And the album’s artwork, influenced by 1971’s Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory and Federico Fellini’s masterpiece 8 ½, hints at an emphasis on visuals.
His third record saw a softer, more romantic side of Timberlake, with sultry serenades that reflected his personal life, including his marriage to actress Jessica Biel. His newfound maturity was best represented in the album’s blockbuster single “Mirrors,” which — despite its arguably narcissistic lyrics — signified his commitment to monogamy.Unfortunately for Timberlake, he would experience a significant fall from grace in the following years, both as an artist and as a wife guy.
Unfortunately for Timberlake, he would experience a significant fall from grace in the following years, both as an artist and as a wife guy.
whyyyyyyyyyyyyy
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 14 March 2024 16:01 (two months ago) link
Music writing basically just summaries social media these days
― President Keyes, Thursday, 14 March 2024 16:16 (two months ago) link
summarizes I mean
SummariesMake me feel fineBlowin' thru the Justin in my mind
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 14 March 2024 17:27 (two months ago) link
a wife guy
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 March 2024 17:31 (two months ago) link
pretty fly for a wife guy
― President Keyes, Thursday, 14 March 2024 17:42 (two months ago) link
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 15 March 2024 00:15 (two months ago) link
I came across this Chicago Reader piece from 2000 where this douche bag lambasted jazz for becoming "art" rather than pop. I wondered who he was - first Google hit reveals he "briefly drew national attention during the 2018 Supreme Court nomination hearings of Brett Kavanaugh, when professor Christine Blasey Ford alleged that Judge was present and laughing as Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her when they were high school students over 30 years previously." What a prick.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 22 May 2024 07:25 (yesterday) link