Autechre - classic or dud

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Wow, someone was worshipping Tortoise and Beck?

bnw, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

well, spin editors, although i don't know if they count as people...

jess, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

(that was posted because a. yes i believe everything said therein, but also b. because the certain someone from above hates my semi- serious ILM manifestos and was exceedingly happy that i didn't weigh in on the subject of autechre. so, just some rain for his sad little monkey parade.)

jess, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

How is what you say about Autechre not true of BOC, Jess? (Who I think are probably worse than Autechre).

Tom, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I am no jess, but BOC gets a lot of props for it's 60's hippy vibe which "humanizes" it. (I tend to think the definition of warmth and humanity is way too narrow.)

bnw, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

late period autechre (certainly chiastic slide onwards) is very BOC like, but more decayed)

who is the person jess is talking about?

gareth, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

off to bed now, but some thoughts on boc vs. autechre before tomorrow:

-fetishization of "process" over "feeling" (we're verging on "use other terms" territory here, but even booth and brown have admitted that much of ther output arises from equal parts a.d.d. and a tinkerers interest in what machines can do [and of course what noises they can make.])
-in keeping with the tinkerer metaphor: boc have seem to have staked out a particular patch and have obsessively - some might say until it's run fallow - worked it over. autechre have their patch too, but they seem far more likely than boc to throw you a curve which upends the whole apple cart and laugh while doing it. to me it's just more IDM-as-petulant-childs-crayon-box, free to smear their marks all over the clean, white walls of "proper notions of song." which leads into...
-ambience vs. assault (aka minimalism vs. maximalism? probably not, but hopefully you get what i'm barely getting at. ambient tone washes vs. static, clicks and noise. windham hill vs. evan parker?)

jess, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i have a feeling tom dislikes boc more owing to the "nostalgia" red- herring, which i'm beginning to understand more and more. no more feeling in electronic music! or something.

I am no jess

i think this is a joke or a taking of my piss. i hope to god it is.

(and gareth, if you must know, it's sometimes lurker/poster/troll dr. funk - my first critic! - who apparently (to read his blog) thinks i'm dumber than pigshit, although he's yet to have the guts to say it on the board.)

jess, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i just heard the new Autechre ep "Gantz Gtaf" and it's the worst, most unlistenable piece of crap i've ever heard........

but when it comes out, the press (Wire specifically) will be heralding it as the new-sound... blah blah blah blah...

Baxter Wingnut, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

what new ep? more info please!

gareth, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

there's no news on warp yet, but there has been an ep's worth of material floating around in mp3 format lately that has the autechre sound and is labeled in such a way.

all signs point to a new ep, as they need to keep their name out here after their tour, i guess.

Todd Burns, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

come on you wusses they're more man parrish than derek bailey. "whinge whinge whinge disappeared up their own arses" etc. they've always seemed like quite chipper fellows to me. david toop however makes all music sound like wanky shit in print by getting far too excited by music we will mostly all be bored with once we've played the cd a few times

bob snoom, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

as for the new EP, there is already a review at absorb, here:

http://www.absorb.org/reviews/eps_10.html

i've listened to it a few times through already. it's ok enough i suppose. i can't tell if it's supposed to be a joke or not.

jason m., Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

it's a damn fine joke, if it is. i like it.

Todd Burns, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

from architecture, to wallpaper covering, to crayons coloring on -- if Autechre is all these things, per Jess' comments above, then the focus on 'process' isn't so far from the 'feeling' evoked: that of a child with blocks, building up and then sending it all tumbling down. That's entertaining enough for me.

Dare, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
Modern music is largely about atonal soundscapes which create abstract structures beneath the sometimes complex sounds. Autechre has in my opinion moved closer to that territory closer to the likes of modern experimental composers like Stockhausen or John Cage. If one is to attack experimental music because it isn't appealing then one would be better off listening to the Beatles or even Mozart which is waste deep in tonal melodies. If not don't bitch about absract sound music because we live in a postmodern world were the truth has become abstract so don't expect music to fall short of that either, because if you do your stupid and conservative and you have no valid knowledge on which to judge experimental electronic music.

JOnjjOnnjoN, Sunday, 26 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Dag. Consider my mind blown.

adam, Sunday, 26 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The truth has become abstract? What was I doing when that happened, watching Perry Mason reruns or something? I wish people would at least call me when these major paradigm shifts happen, it sucks to feel out of the loop.

John Darnielle, Sunday, 26 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

JOnjjOnnjoN is my new god

mark s, Sunday, 26 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Saying that Autechre are atonal is a fallacy. A lot of their tracks (Garbagemx, Cichli, Arch Carrier, Pir, Goz Quarter etc) are at first impenetrable, but this is usually due to an alternative choice in time signature or instruments. It is not musically atonal. Get on Audiogalaxy and download the following tracks. Then listen to them all at least 5 times in one week.

Silverside, Slip, Piezo, Pen Expers, Uviol, Maphive6.1, Zeiss Contarex, Pir, Rae, Fold4 Wrap5, Arch Carrier, Cichli, Garbagemx, Leterel.

Then come back, change your above comments about Autechre and go out and buy their entire back catalogue ;-)

dog latin, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

dog latin is my new god

mark s, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Anvil Vapour" fucking kick butt. I was never excited by Autechre until that track.

phil, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

search: evan parker records.

destroy: euro-english newspeak.

jess, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Its not for want of trying. Too many people I respect rate them. I've listened very intensely to Incubula, Tri Repetae and Confield all and each time have been left completely cold. Obtuse, introverted, over elaborate, self-indulgent and just dull. They gave me, quite literally, a headache.

stevo, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

that's because you picked the three albums that are worst to start with. They're quite good, but you're tons better off getting into LP5, EP7 or Amber. Lovely.

dog latin, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

eight months pass...
"Waste Deep In Tonal Melodies" = Schoeneberg's long-deleted death metal record?

Clarke B., Tuesday, 28 January 2003 11:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic, clearly. Even if you DON'T like them, just look at all the soul-searching at the mere mention of their name here! You don't even have to hear their music to know that they've changed the world.

matt riedl (veal), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

heard a track off the new alb: its rilly rilly 1997 folks.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 13:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

What, as in 1997 Autechre or 1997 in general?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 13:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

it reminds me of a lot of electronic stuff that I was listening to round that time.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 13:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Autechre can make Merzbow listenable to the average electronic music nerd.

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 13:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
I am going to see them tonight. Tell me your live experiences.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 28 May 2005 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

hm, i'm considering seeing them Sunday but i hardly listen to them anymore. post if the show is good or not to help me decide! kthx? (and is SND good live? and who in the hell is rob hall?)

Amon (eman), Saturday, 28 May 2005 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Look near the end of this thread:

New Autechre album - April 2005

In short: they've been amazing on this tour.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 28 May 2005 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

from that thread:

it also boasted the highest male-to-female ratio i've ever seen at a show.

i totally forgot about this aspect. think i'll save my money then.

Amon (eman), Saturday, 28 May 2005 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

:-( You so lucky Roxy! Every time they play near me it's either sold out or I've had no money.

dog latin (dog latin), Saturday, 28 May 2005 15:06 (nineteen years ago) link

JOnjjOnnjoN's post upthread is awesome, but Jess' is even better. I used to kind of like them, but I can't see the appeal anymore for some reason. I always used to use 'em as background music, I must admit, and I don't really listen to anything as background music anymore. Not dud, anyway, but I don't think classic either.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 28 May 2005 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

as a long time follower of autechre, i'd say that i have been disappointed by the last 3 albums. the mid nineties work, repetae, chisatic slide, lp5 are superb, both musically and sonically. there is a deep understanding of melody and harmony there, and the sonic constructions are often breathtaking. recently , however, i feel they have abandoned the emotion of their earlier work and are nto making the bold statements they once did.

however, i wouldn't write them off; i think they will come up with the goods again one day.

james thompson (nimhbus), Saturday, 28 May 2005 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Missing Autechre on this tour = not catching Miles Davis in 1975. Ignore the haters and shoulder-shruggers: They killed it in Seattle.

Blightersrock (Da ve Segal), Saturday, 28 May 2005 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

That is, AUTECHRE killed it in Seattle.

Blightersrock (Da ve Segal), Saturday, 28 May 2005 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I heard that in Chicago, ae weren't onstage till at least 4am. Also, I don't like the last three records.

L (Leee), Saturday, 28 May 2005 23:01 (nineteen years ago) link

should I go see them if I haven't yet caught up on Confield, Draft 7.30 and Untilted?

(I'm probably going to anyway... they must be at least semi-classic then)

fandango (fandango), Saturday, 28 May 2005 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Autechre are not the kind of band that reproduce their album material in a live setting. They improvise. On hardware. And it is as thrilling as experiencing a seasoned free-jazz outfit in their prime.

So not liking the last few albums--or being unfamiliar with them--is almost a moot point.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Sunday, 29 May 2005 00:31 (nineteen years ago) link

2001 show in Oakland: one long 90 minute piece. arrythmic kick drum patterns & high hat sounds, and nightmarish bass line drills. one long evolving texture. very loud: in the back of the room, the kick drums made you feel like you were getting punched in the chest. at the front of the room, it was actually difficult to breathe regularly. 800 people at the beginning of the show whittled down to 200 within about 15 minutes; maybe about 100 people by the end, wild sustained applause from the survivors. made confield seem like a radio playlist. athough there were moments my attention wandered, by the end the sheer duration had totallty won me over, fantastic show.

2005 show last week: absolute 4/4 non-stop dance party, many pieces strict-tempo dj'ed together into one long mix. madly syncopated (seldom straight out four on the floor), but you could tap your foot or dance like a madman at all times. the recent abstract digital sounds of the last three records have been isolated and poured onto the grid, no multiple time-signature experiments. way, way, way more straightforward than untilted, and 100% new material -- absolutely nothing recognizable from any record. No traceable melodies, but tons of layered ambient sections and crescendos. once again, my attention wandered a bit in parts, but the end was rewarding and I sure hope mp3's turn up of this show, or even a release.

still doesn't quite sound like anything they've done before, but definitely way closer to 95/96 than 01/04. liked it.

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 29 May 2005 08:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I just saw Autechre play in Asheville, NC last night. It was pretty amazing, they just kept notching up the intensity more and more. It was funny seeing people trying to keep up with it. But it was all surprisingly danceable.

latebloomer: B Minus Time Traveler (latebloomer), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i WAS AT THAT oAKLAND SHOW. dhs WAS BETTER.

L (Leee), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

they went on at 1 in chicago, l. people were dancing throughout their whole set, too. i thought the 2001 tour was better, but i was far from disappointed with this one - probably the best show for me this year so far. i am glad they continue to push themselves in new directions. snd were far more "hooky" on this tour, but autechre unflinchingly inhabit a world that is their own - mistakes, missteps, and mostly transcendent shit all included (yeah i am a hippie). i think it took about three tracks for them to hit their groove this time around, but when they hit it, they didn't lose it.

tricky (disco stu), Sunday, 29 May 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, agreed with Latebloomer. It just kept going up and up, very very intense, very danceable, very beat-oriented. They played in utter darkness.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Sunday, 29 May 2005 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link

i want to see them again!

charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 29 May 2005 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Incubulae is great, some decent spots here and there after that but overall, Auteche are a giant Dud!

biz, Sunday, 29 May 2005 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Now that I look over that list - if I had to POO with a gun to my head as an intro to the band - it would be Surripere. It starts quite accessibly with an electro beat and droning series of delayed chords. It expresses the dark melancholy vibe of their 90's work, and then dissolves into a chaotic deconstruction that feels definitively post 90's Ae, ending with an only vaguely repetitive beat/bassline that feels distinctly alien.

octobeard, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 21:14 (two days ago) link

rae

you know I’m right

assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 21:19 (two days ago) link

“I think you absolutely could get a regular person into Autechre, but your pitch has to be basically "You wanna hear the wildest shit ever?"

I totally believe in this strategy, people just need to be exposed to more weird shit. Could even see people who don’t even really like music enjoying Autechre, its sort of like cinematic pyrotechnics or something

brimstead, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 21:22 (two days ago) link

though I will say I'd choose an entirely different set of tracks lol

Yeah - shit I'd probably change this list wholesale myself after a day or two. spl9 I put on because I wanted at least one insanely aggressive up tempo banger on it, but kinda wish I'd gone with Flep or recks on. Probably should have gone with Parhelic Triangle on Confield.

I chose acroyear2 for LP5 because it is a wild shift in their sound and accurately foreshadows some of their future direction while retaining the clear melodic accessibility of the 90's. I chose Ccec to showcase the Ae "swagger" and hip hop influence in their work. Neither are my favorites on each.

octobeard, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 21:23 (two days ago) link

I will say though - damn, their opening tracks on nearly every full length album (and "EP") are just absolute stunners. Maybe only Amber and Quaristice are lacking in this department.

octobeard, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 21:25 (two days ago) link

Octobeard, that's a fantastic set of "Welcome to AeLand" tracks.

I recently introduced a 63-year-old friend of mine to Autechre, the first time I've attempted to do so with anyone (I'm 37). He has really wide-ranging but kind of "basic" taste, from CSNY to Metallica to Olivia Rodrigo for example. Spends a lot of time on Youtube checking out new stuff. For newer electronic stuff he said he's into Skrillex, Daft Punk, and DJ Snake in particular. He's also into the Blade Runner soundtrack. He had never heard of Autechre, Aphex Twin or pretty much anything "IDM" adjacent.

So I played him some tracks from LP5. He was blown away by "Acroyear2" and said it was like electronic speed metal. But he started to lose interest after a few minutes. I was like, "you have to wait until they switch the beat up!" So we did, and when the beat came back in half-time he thought it was cool, but clearly not as much as I did.

I followed that up with "Corc" as an example of their gentler side. He thought it was pretty, but about halfway through it he said something like "This doesn't really go anywhere, does it?" For me this listening session had already become the awkward situation where you're showing someone a song or a movie you love and you become ultra self-conscious and every potential fault in the work of art becomes magnified. So I said what I was already kind of thinking, something like, "yeah it's pretty repetitive/static in some ways but I think the details in the percussion and synths that are constantly changing are really interesting." He could appreciate that too, but he was craving something like pop song structure, where Autechre is like, "here's an idea, let's see what we can do with it" with nothing resembling a verse, chorus, etc.

He had basically the same reaction to "Arch Carrier" where he really dug it at first but wanted it to go somewhere else after a couple minutes.

Overall I'd say it was a success in that my friend appreciated the production and wasn't freaked out by any of it. And he did think the speed up/slow down effect on "Fold4,Wrap5" was really cool. So maybe he would be more into the rhythmic experimentation on Confield or Untilted. So I might send him some of those tracks and let him explore on his own without me anxiously sitting next to him lol.

J. Sam, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 22:54 (two days ago) link

he might be more interested in Aphex Twin tbh, send him the RDJ album

default damager (lukas), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 22:56 (two days ago) link

^Good call

J. Sam, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 22:58 (two days ago) link

J. Sam, I like using synaesthetic analogies for explaining their style sometimes. You were basically sharing some abstract expressionism with someone with an aesthetic tolerance that borders around cubism.

With Ae, the minimalist song structures are often the point. He'd probably feel similarly listening to Villalobos perhaps

octobeard, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 01:41 (yesterday) link

I.e. he is the kind of art person that needs representation, even if abstracted, rather than purely abstract exploration of texture, shape and color with no earthly reference points.

octobeard, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 01:46 (yesterday) link

I think a 63 year old person into CSNY even giving Ae a chance is miraculous, and cool to hear how open they were to it

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 13:09 (yesterday) link


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