Ah brilliant. Definitely need to refresh my memory of what was out and good earlier in the year.
xpost
― emil.y, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
I clearly wasn't saying "ilx" was a single-minded organism, otherwise how could it possibly have an "almost all" selection? Learn to read better.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
emil.y OTM. it's not like ILX is some kind of alt/indie stronghold, far from it. So it would be nice to be spared the annual preaching to the choir this time round and accept that PEOPLE LIKE DIFFERENT THINGS.
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
that's not aimed at anyone particular - it goes for me and my complaints upthread too.
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
eh the problem isn't that people like different things it's that they like bad things that are boring and everyone all likes the same bad boring things and this time of year everyone compiles it all into lists--not to say that this this complaint isn't played out, but it's not the same as PEOPLE LIKE DIFFERENT THINGS
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 16:59 (eleven years ago) link
Oh come on you know full well there'll be as much indie as anything else when ILX does its poll, probably more. It's not like either camp can claim to be particularly hard done by here.
Being sniffy about indie is a glorious ILM tradition that goes back to pretty much the very first thread though.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link
Think of it as a counterbalance to decades of indie fans claiming they're the only ones who really care about music.
xxpost So moan about the lists or individual albums being boring, don't act like some sort of genre martyr because "OMG indie rag put lots of indie in its top 10, how dare they" etc..
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
"almost the entirety of ilx" disses indie and loves Taylor is just absurd tea party false minority shit
― some dude, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
xp everything is an indie rag now fyi
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
In fairness if I had to hazard a guess it would be that at least 80% of ILM, myself included, would self-identify as an indie kid or having been an indie kid at some point in the past, including many of the people who take the "lol indie" stance in these threads.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
quite, but also most people on ILM now say they like, or at least appreciate, all kinds of music
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 17:06 (eleven years ago) link
i can't remember the last time anyone, other than some random kid googler, came along and slated pop as a genre or slagged-off a pop artist because they didn't write their own songs or didn't play guitar or whatever, all the while bigging-up some aching shitpipe of a landfill indie band.
anyway, we talk about this stuff every year as well, so not worth going into it any more now.
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
There's an indie lurker contingent that votes in ILX polls but Taylor Swift gets a hell of a lot more love from people who actually post than, say, the Cribs do. Lex should pop on over to the Guardian AOTY comment thread if he wants some old skool "this isn't real music" cranks to kick against.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
Zombie Zombie - Rituels d'un Nouveau Monde, great so far. Tip!
― MikoMcha, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
The slagging off of pop is all over the Guardian albums thread, though it tends to be – I think - from those of advancing years bitter about the loss of "proper" music, or from those who can't understand why not everyone is swooning over Japanese noise or Southern Lord releases.
xpost I see Dorian is making this very point.
― Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
Taylor Swift gets about as much love as any one of a dozen current indie acts on ILM (and not whoever the Cribs are, someone with an established ILM fanbase).
― some dude, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
"indie" is a conveniently amorphous umbrella for everyone to hide different things under, Lex aside most people using the word as an insult have a 'good indie' and a 'bad indie' in mind (and no 2 people have the same concept of what those groups encompass).
― some dude, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
my comment was directed at all the publications whose lists we are discussing, not ilx! this is the reason i post on ilx!
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
and i just listened to the scott walker album
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
Lex likes enough more than enough indie to have that filter as well he just doesn't acknowledge its existence very often.
(hah, xpost)
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
true
― some dude, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 17:42 (eleven years ago) link
Someone on the Guardian thread complaining that the Cooly G album has too much filler and then saying that the Chromatics is their favourite record of the year. What the hell? That album is about three years longer than it needed to be.
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 17:42 (eleven years ago) link
The authenticity bores on the Guardian thread have suddenly turned me into a passionate defender of the (pretty good, too long, occasionally facepalmy) Lana Del Rey record.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
What's this year's go-to album for the comments crank with the superiority complex? Looks like Swans so far. (Not that it's Swans' fault)
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
i've actually been making little noises of delight every time a comment along the lines of "THIS LIST HAS LOST ITS LAST SHRED OF CREDIBILITY" pops up. guardian grumps giving me life. a repeat of last year's beyoncé/katy b outrage is prob too much to hope for, though i enjoyed the minor consternation farrah abraham caused.
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
It's like poptimism never happened.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
"EveChang
28 November 2012 6:22 PMLink to this comment
If you want authentic real music by artists who write their own songs then your choice should be the magnificent Taylor Swift album rather than the old fart overrated garbage that are Swans."
Ha ha
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
lol i remember her killing it in the comments last year too! see i do <3 some of the readers
the lana del rey complaints just make me apoplectic because NO ONE CAN SPELL HER VERY SIMPLE NAME
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
Go tell it to Alex Petridis. Commenters don't spel 2 gud.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
oh i have seen enough manglings of my surname to know that :(
John9113 December 2011 5:49 PMLink to this comment2Jesus Christ, clearly just put in to make the list more interesting and less predictable. I've heard the album, and it's completely banal and average. If it's the 4th best of the year then this must be music's all time worst year.I wish I'd been around in 1967 when this top 10 would include Sgt. Pepper, Velvet Underground and Nico, Forever Changes, The Doors, Are You Experienced, Piper at the Gates of Dawn etc. EveChang13 December 2011 5:56 PMLink to this comment8Response to John91, 13 December 2011 5:49 PMWhy would you want to live in the past?
eve chang also says she's a teenage girl, i hope in 5-6 years she's writing for the guardian
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
Get some rock up in yer rock:
http://loudwire.com/best-rock-albums-of-2012/
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
Loudwire 10 best rock albums:
1 Deftones - Koi No Yokan2 Stone Sour - House Of Gold & Bones Part 13 Dead Sara - Dead Sara4 Baroness - Yellow and Green5 Halestorm - The Strange Case Of6 Serj Tankian - Harakiri7 Marilyn Manson - Born Villain8 Shinedown - Amaryllis9 Soundgarden - King Animal10 Lacuna Coil - Dark Adrenaline
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
Loudwire 10 best meatl albums:
1 Between the Buried and Me - The Parallax II: Future Sequence2 Napalm Death - Utilitarian3 Converge - All We Love We Leave Behind4 High on Fire - De Vermis Mysteriis5 Gojira - L'Enfant Sauvage6 Pig Destroyer - Book Burner7 Woods of Ypres - Woods 5: Grey Skies & Electric Light8 Down - Down IV, Part 1 – The Purple EP9 Lamb of God - Resolution10 Goatwhore - Blood for the Master
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
meatl is the best
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
That rock list, oi. http://youtu.be/OGtUD4jetUo
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
And that Hot Rockstar Wives piece on the sidebar, lol
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
the deftones and dead sara records are both great, have no idea how the rest of those records are there
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
but then what even is a loudwire
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
A slightly more user-friendly list rather than their block of cover images. Alpha order.
Q Magazine - Top 50 Albums of 2012The 2 Bears - Be StrongAlabama Shakes - Boys & GirlsAlt-J - An Awesome WavePaul Banks - BanksBat For Lashes - The Haunted ManBeach House - BloomJake Bugg - Jake BuggDavid Byrne & St. Vincent - Love This GiantCat Power - SunLeonard Cohen - Old IdeasDaphni - JiaolongLana Del Rey - Born To DieDirty Projectors - Swing Lo MagellanDjango Django - Django DjangoBob Dylan - TempestEL-P - Cancer4CureField Music - PlumbGo-Kart Mozart - On The Hot Dog StreetsGrimes - VisionsGrizzly Bear - ShieldsRen Harvieu - Through The NightRichard Hawley - Standing At The Sky's EdgeHere We Go Magic - A Different ShipHot Chip - In Our HeadsElton John Vs. Pnau - Good Morning To The NightJosephine - PortraitThe Killers - Battle BornKindness - World, You Need A Change of MindMark Lanegan Band - Blues FuneralThe Maccabees - Given to the WildMala in Cuba - Mala in CubaMumford & Sons - BabelMuse - The 2nd LawFrank Ocean - Channel OrangeOrbital - WonkyPeaking Lights - LuciferPlan B - Ill ManorsEmeli Sande - Our Version of EventsSaint Etienne - Words And Music By Saint EtienneSchool Of Seven Bells - GhostoryBruce Springsteen - Wrecking BallTame Impala - LonerismTotally Enormous Extinct Dinosaurs - TroubleThe Vaccines - Come Of AgeSharon Van Etten - TrampThe Walkmen - HeavenJessie Ware - DevotionPaul Weller - Sonik KicksJack White - BlunderbussBobby Womack - The Bravest Man In The Universe
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
tabs out podcast list:
#1 Bastian Void "Fluorescent Bells" (Field Hymns) #2 V/A "Duets" compilation (Tranquility) #3 Brett Naucke "Home By Now" (Field Studies) #4 Grasshopper "The Day America Forgot" (SicSic) #5 Crystal Palace "Spirit Quest" (Rotifer) #6 Colored Mushroom And The Medicine Rocks "Sunshine Units" (Wagon) #7 V/A "Inscriptions" compilation (Sacred Phrases) #8 Lace Bows "Pollen Futures" (Hooker Vision) #9 J.D. Emmanuel "Peaceful Kingdom Concert 1982" (Sonic Meditations) #10 Quiet Evenings / Former Selves split (Constellation Tatsu) #11 Quintron "Singing House Demo Vol.1" (Spirit Candle) #12 Voder Deth Squad "II" (SicSic) #13 Jonathan James Carr "Well Tempered Ignorance" (Field Hymns) #14 Tearist "Purple Video" (Nostilevo) #15 Run DMT / Tracey Trance split (C.G.I.Friday) #16 Aaron Dilloway "Tractor Cuts" (Robert & Leopold) #17 The Aleph s/t (Tape Drift) #18 Quicksails / Head Boggle split (Discriminate Bonus Series) #19 Rambutan "Typhoon Shapes" (Cae-Sur-A) #20 Mark Bradley / No Mind Meditation split (Goldtimers) #21 Bil Vermette "Archives I" (Field Studies) #22 Rust Worship "Deposit Of Despondency" (Tape Drift) #23 Caldera Lakes "Live At Ogden Theatre" (Dokuro) #24 Steve Kenney "Dawn Window" (Imminent Frequencies) #25 Developer / Moth Cock split (A Soundesign Recording)
― scott seward, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
Moth Cock ftw!
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
So Animal Collective have only turned up in the Fly list so far (at #33)? Fallen are the heroes etc etc.
― ILM Communication (seandalai), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
lol what the fuck is aquacrunk― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Friday, November 23, 2012 12:44 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― whinesplaining 101 (cozen), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
Ha, good point. Centipede doesn't sound all that different from Merriweather to me. I guess they just move on looking for something shinier?
I think I like the Cooly G but it really slipped by in the background while I was workin, am giving it another go.
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't heard any of the Tabs Out list and for that am mad at myself
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
Centipede is good but not great
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
I like to think everyone looked back at MPP and went "wait a second, I hate this" and took it out on Centipede Hz
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
I think I prefer Centipede to MPP
― Moodles, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
goat album is fun but it's just krautrock
― whinesplaining 101 (cozen), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:57 (eleven years ago) link