Nothing Left To Invent (or possible even recycle to good effect) In Music aka Dooooooooom!

I haven't seen them live, but at least on Chiastic Slide, Peel Sessions 2 etc., their sense of rhythm is one of my favorite things about them.

(c) Simon Reynolds, Unfaves 2001, Lack of Brave New Formulations.

"Fresh = new, though? ;-)"

I know. I wasn't saying "I don't like new music". I meant: "I'm not looking for one scenre rhat will sweep music clean.". I approach music on an artist-by-artist level. I demand innovation from some artists but not by others.

"Ned, I take a shower. I come out of the shower "fresh," but I am not new."

"But all your dead skin and oil is flushed away and your new baby pink skin shines brightly in the sun."

Whaddya mean, dudes? I'm lost.

I found this. Seems to fit. Or at least the first two pages do, in an odd sort of way.

JT's crapness aside, that puts it nicely. One thing I want to point out is that outside ILM, a lot of people are willing to accept Lucinda Williams and Dylan2K as the nearest thing to genius we have. And these two are still innovators, not sonically but thematically. Isn't that as much as you could hope for from those of us who can't attain the higher plane of Autechre (*COUGH, COUGH*)?

Kilian, I was just trying to illustrate a way in which "fresh" could be used without meaning "new." If I am in fact fresh when I step out of the shower, I am nevertheless not new, as I was born many years ago. As for Ned's elaboration, I thought it best not to build on the imagery he had already added to the discussion. ;)

Chogyam Trungpa said that Dharma transmission is like fresh bread, or something like that, that each teach makes it into something like fresh bread. I'm not Buddhist, but that image has stuck with me.

I think I will definitely go to Metropolitan Bakery tomorrow.

i still don't really understand this question, newness is always incremental, its only big steps to people who didn't (for whatever reason) notice the little steps in between

and nothing dates faster than the future anyway

you may be right gareth - no music ever really explodes into existence overnight. although where the music is more dependent on the latest technology (i.e. electronica) the discovery and develepment of new styles has come about very quickly e.g. before 1990/91 there were no real dance tracks using breakbeats of over 140bpm but by 1992 it was mainstream with rave music all over the charts. i guess thats as overnight as you can get?

As for Ned's elaboration, I thought it best not to build on the imagery he had already added to the discussion. ;)

Doubtless the wisest approach!