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"my favorite things" LP is made of two gershwin compositions, one cole porter and one rodgers & hammerstein. nowhere in the original liner notes does anyone make note of any of the "square" sources, except at one point coltrane notes that lester young taught him to appreciate simplicity as a springboard to more complex expression (this idea is more vaguely pointed out than i make it sound)
― the late great, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 23:03 (eleven years ago) link
and I'm not really convinced that the kind of irony you're talking about is so superior to the cynical, sarcastic amoeba irony you dismiss. basically to find MFT ironic you have to think it's sooo weird that a hip jazz cat would deign to listen to such square white music as Rodgers and Hammerstein which is kind of an adolescent and musically provincial attitude.
― wk, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 23:05 (eleven years ago) link
nah i'm pretty sure he thought ella was a dunce
― the late great, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
the late great is persuaded that there was neither ever hip nor square and certainly neither term ever had anything to do with jazz
― we don't wanna miss a THING!!! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 23:07 (eleven years ago) link
no you don't! this is your baggage on the word "irony" - you're hauling a bunch of assumptions and bizarre accusations to the table to stick to your point, which is rooted in zero. " it's sooo weird that a hip jazz cat would deign to listen to such square white music as Rodgers and Hammerstein" <--- this exists in your brain, but seems so attackable to you that you place it externally. nobody's saying it, except you.
― we don't wanna miss a THING!!! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
maybe what coltrane, et al. were trying to do was posit that "hip" and "square" were meaningless signifiers...and moreover that perhaps it was hip TO BE square.
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
les rallizes denudes = music as event-machine!
― ryan, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
i think he might have genuinely enjoyed "my favorite things" and "greensleeves"
― the late great, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
greensleeves is a fuckin' jam who fronts on greensleeves???
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
lol upper m
― we don't wanna miss a THING!!! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
the only people who contest this are the phantoms in yr brain tho
― we don't wanna miss a THING!!! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
that's how i usually describe ILXors to my IRL friends
― the late great, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 23:18 (eleven years ago) link
lol
do I know you by an old screenname I can never keep track of who people turned into
― we don't wanna miss a THING!!! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
I'm singing greensleeves right now
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 23:23 (eleven years ago) link
one time in like school or something we were reading the canterbury tales and had to do some sort of performance based on diff stories and I went up in front of the class and sang greensleeves for like 5 mins because I forgot to do my hw
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 23:24 (eleven years ago) link
that strat did not work as well in math class
kids do your hw or you'll post itt
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 23:26 (eleven years ago) link
you might remember me as v4hid or m00nsh1p. otherwise our only connection is i think some superfans of yours from encinitas.
― the late great, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 23:31 (eleven years ago) link
oh no shit! dude some of yr thoughts on music had a real impact on how I listen way back glad to know which person you are.
― we don't wanna miss a THING!!! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 6 September 2012 00:26 (eleven years ago) link
^^^
― wk, Thursday, 6 September 2012 00:31 (eleven years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Maple
"who banded together with the intent of becoming the numismatists of rock and roll."
haha, who changed this?
― This Is... The Police (dog latin), Thursday, 13 September 2012 23:23 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1ZUYOIh8Wg
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 13 September 2012 23:24 (eleven years ago) link
also how did this thread digress into a huge debate about coltrane and his ostensible kitschiness?
― This Is... The Police (dog latin), Thursday, 13 September 2012 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
the usual way--one poster made a claim, two hundred posters registered disagreement.
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Thursday, 13 September 2012 23:48 (eleven years ago) link
i just listened to "my favorite things" yesterday with my family and was struck by how straight the reading of the song sounded
― the late great, Thursday, 20 September 2012 06:15 (eleven years ago) link
my parents who are definitely jazz squares and rodgers/hammerstein fans did not jump out of chairs and go "wtf is this madman doing to this song?!?"
When I read DL's opening post a few minutes ago I immediately thought "Big Flame!" - seems to me they were doing something close to what Dog Latin was on about in the mid-80s, in a post-punk / indie context. The reason I mention this is because they referred to themselves (half-jokingly I assume) as "cubist" - their last single was entitled "Cubist Pop Manifesto" and cubism might be a better comparison for the tendency DL was getting at than deconstruction?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KrkJ28c0fk
There's something to watch, not the most "cubist" of their stuff but whatevs.
― Tim, Thursday, 20 September 2012 11:53 (eleven years ago) link
Cheers Tim, I'll check this out.
― This Is... The Police (dog latin), Thursday, 20 September 2012 12:00 (eleven years ago) link