Oddly enough, #2 and #1 both involve bad things coming from boats.
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
Soldier it is then.
― exclusive to this pledge group - pleasure (weatheringdaleson), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
I actually would have bet a decent amount of money on this placing first.
Same here!
― Gavin, Leeds, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
I don't get you people.
^^^
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
Unlike "Hurricane," "Cortez" generally inspires excellent covers.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
I don't mind "Cortez" as a jam, but the lyrics really kill it for me.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
Where the lyrics to "Powderfinger" I think are some of his best ever.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
I think La Lechera summed it up nicely:
Cortez the Killer (predicted winner, how could it not be as it is the best song ever)Powderfinger - look out mama there's a white boat comin up the river = every Herzog movie, which reminds me of Cortez the Killer, which makes me happy
Note: she had these at 8 & 9 on her ballot.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
wow!--I'd assumed "Cortez" the obvious #1--would've guessed "Powerderfinger" somewhere in the 15-20 range before the poll started......
― theStalePrince, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
Cortez = 44 for me. Just never really loved that pace, never took to the story. It just seems so detached from all the rest of his catalog to these ears.
― hutlock, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
Cortez has my favorite guitar solo ever.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
I threw Powderfinger and Cortez around the same number of points, so whatevs.
Cortez would be nothing without the sudden switch to first person narrative though. Interesting to read on Wiki that there was originally another verse that got lost because the console went dead!
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
I love "Cortez"'s lyrics, especially "I still can't remember when/or how I lost my way." Quoted that in my graduating high-school-yearbook photo.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
Didn't Neil say something like, "Eh, I never liked that verse anyway" ?
xp
― Chuck? Chuck? It's me, your cousin, Marvin D (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
interesting disagreements here! it's the lyrics that kill "Cortez" for me.....they're, how to say? I think they're bullshit.
Neil is often weird, awkward, cryptic, allusive, druggy; and I love him in all those modes. But "Cortez" is bullshit.
― theStalePrince, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
so what I'm taking away from this is that people prefer long, rambling, wasted Neil to all his other incarnations. which I guess is not surprising... but I wanted to be surprised!
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
Yes! The lyric-shift is everything in Cortez (Paul Simon is the master at this technique btw)
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
Danger Bird >>> Cortez
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
The last verse is semi-redeeming, but it's hard to overcome "The people worked together/And they lifted many stones."
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
Honestly not sure why you'd say that about "Cortez"'s lyrics--weird, cryptic, allusive, and druggy is a great description, and I think "Cortez" fits into that perfectly.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
The version he played in June '03 during the Greendale was spectacular, I gotta say.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
I'll retreat; it's hard for me to start breaking down a song I've listened to ten million times line by line. The lyrics just float by, carried along by everything else.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
^ this.
― Chuck? Chuck? It's me, your cousin, Marvin D (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
"Numbers Add up to Nothing"= alternate poll title.....
Terrific work, clemenza--enjoyed the hell out of it!
xp: hmmmm--fair question? ok: it's a kind of abstract mythmaking, it doesn't persuade me that it has anything to do with NY's own perspective or experience, but rather seems like a distillation of the usual stuff about "primitive peoples"...
― theStalePrince, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
Didn't Neil say something like, "Eh, I never liked that verse anyway"?Yeah, apparently. Not that I trust anything much he says about the merits of what he writes. (cf. previous discussions itt)
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
http://phildellio.tripod.com/neil1.jpg
― clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
Thought "Cortez" would be super high, though I had Danger Bird and Down By The River much higher, but did not expect the #1 at all.
― grandavis, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
it's hard for me to start breaking down a song I've listened to ten million times line by line. The lyrics just float by, carried along by everything else.
my sense about most Young epics...? I'm surprised (in a good way) that you guys remember lines. All I can remember about "Cortez" is NY going cod reggae on DANCING UPON DA WATAH MAN
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
I take issue with the notion that "Powderfinger" is long, rambling, or wasted.
― boxall, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
whoops! you were retreating while I was editing....no need to retreat! people's tastes in NY lyrics are very subjective; I mean, I have jr high school friends who love him as much as I do and we would all but come to blows over certain lines that allegedly "sucked"
― theStalePrince, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
I didn't vote for it, but I'm okay with it at #1--it's a great song, and an unpredictable #1 (within reason) is not a bad thing.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
so what I'm taking away from this is that people prefer long, rambling, wasted Neil to all his other incarnations.
The rest of the top 5 maybe, but I don't think this is fair to "Powderfinger" at all.
xposts!
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
DANCING UPON DA WATAH MAN - what version is this from?
― boxall, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
iirc, that faux-reggae bit is only on Live Rust (and in the film). I've never heard any other version of "Cortez" where that happens.
― Chuck? Chuck? It's me, your cousin, Marvin D (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
Powderfinger is perfect. His best lyrics, his best riff, his best solo, his best singing. His best song.
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
Not before or since have I heard epics as contained, purposeful of motion, bracing, and intelligent as "Powderfinger" and "Sedan Delivery." I can't think of anyone making music this loud, allusive, and elusive, not even from the punks.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
iirc, that faux-reggae bit is only on Live Rust
yep
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
I've often heard Neil's epics be described as a slog. I disagree for the most part, except for when it comes to "Powderfinger". he single reason why I don't rate Rust as high as most people.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
Really surprised at the no.1 - it doesn't stand out for me, and never even considered longlisting it. No idea the rest of you would.
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
Had Powderfinger at #5, but I could easily have had it at #1. My whole top 10 was pretty interchangable in my mind, honestly.
― hutlock, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
I first heard "Powderfinger" in the Cowboy Junkies' cover (which is pretty good), and was completely baffled by it. It's still mysterious to me -- the basic narrative tracks pretty clearly, but there's so much left out. It feels very detailed on the one hand but also enigmatic and allegorical.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
holy shit @ powderfinger being #1, ya'll are cool ppl
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
The line goes on to mean something else, but "think of me as one you'd never figured" is pretty definitive as a career statement.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
My top 10 (out of 30) all got 15 pts, but Powderfinger was #1.
― exclusive to this pledge group - pleasure (weatheringdaleson), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
"Powderfinger" wasn't high on my list (#39 out of 40), but as Horse epics go, I'll take it above "Hurricane" in a heartbeat.
― Chuck? Chuck? It's me, your cousin, Marvin D (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
And clemenza, brilliant job on the poll, especially with the photos.
find it kinda hilarious/appropriate that the number 2 song features some pretty glaring mistakes
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
Listen to it again!
― cwkiii, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
Huge kudos and thanks clemenza. Lots of fun.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
I've heard the song a million times, but "When the first shot hit the dock, I saw it comin'" still gets me every time.
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:42 (eleven years ago) link