― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 23 July 2005 04:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― 006 (thoia), Saturday, 23 July 2005 05:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― 006 (thoia), Saturday, 23 July 2005 05:14 (eighteen years ago) link
And vahid, wtf is your problem with people liking music about swaggering?
― deej.., Saturday, 23 July 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Saturday, 23 July 2005 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link
what the fuck, asshole, what the fuck
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 23 July 2005 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.., Saturday, 23 July 2005 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 23 July 2005 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 24 July 2005 00:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.., Sunday, 24 July 2005 02:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 24 July 2005 02:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― 006 (thoia), Sunday, 24 July 2005 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 July 2005 03:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― s>c>, Sunday, 24 July 2005 08:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.., Sunday, 24 July 2005 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link
my thing is i dont think cam is that one dimensional on drugs, that even if its always heartless and fake its still appearing in and shaded by a number of contexts. i need to listen to the record again though! but i think w rap being so dense comparatively, so many lines, that its easy for ppl to poach on, here, cams non sequiturs and then to go back and revise or reduce everything he raps abt to those terms
but, sc, i like the way you highlight ambivalence cuz rap for me, theres always shit i remember v specifically and then other shit thats notional or that i suppose i sorta remember what it ws abt, what it ws like, inside every song
― 006 (thoia), Monday, 25 July 2005 00:14 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 25 July 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link
Kind of disappointed the discussion moved away from the racial characteristics of non-verbal expression and how this can be detected and toward some PMRI shit about Cam'ron making it seem cool to smoke crack. (If great tragedy can't be made into great comedy I'm packing up my things and going home.)
Does someone want to, you know, tie it all together for me?
― Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 25 July 2005 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 25 July 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link
Alternately, are hip-hop artists supposed to carefully monitor the demographics of their audience and once it passes a certain percentage of white people stop being funny? I mean, in an ideal world, but...
― Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 25 July 2005 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link
Finally, Eminem's career arc explained.
― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 25 July 2005 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link
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― miccio (miccio), Monday, 25 July 2005 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 25 July 2005 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 25 July 2005 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link
Sure. Never heard of a ghetto pass? (I'm only partially joking)
But, what is real even? Is "I go on a lot of vacations and hang out with models" less real than "I remember well slinging rock on the corner?" Usually the actual fact of the matter is somewhere in between anyway, so it doesn't really make a difference except in the mind of the listener eating up the projected fantasy.
― Candicissima (candicissima), Monday, 25 July 2005 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link
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― miccio (miccio), Monday, 25 July 2005 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link
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― miccio (miccio), Monday, 25 July 2005 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Candicissima (candicissima), Monday, 25 July 2005 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link
actually i wouldnt even suggest that a cam record contributes directly to a crack problem, altho i think he and we are implicated in smthng larger that does, just saying my suspicion is cam fans of the blogger persuasion are basically getting off on it, and ignoring it publicly
haha xpost- http://governmentnames.blogspot.com/2004/07/yo-dizzawgs-saturday-night-was-off.html
― 2, Monday, 25 July 2005 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Candicissima (candicissima), Monday, 25 July 2005 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link
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― deej.., Monday, 25 July 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link
And do you think cocaine is exclusively a black problem? Do you that only blacks are misogynistic? Maybe you should check some of own assumptions, anonymous.
― s>c>, Monday, 25 July 2005 22:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― 2, Monday, 25 July 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link
and cam is misogynistic, violent, greedy, hateful and self-serving. that ain't black people. that's me, and it sounds like that's you. and that's why cam'ron equally repeals me and intrigues me. that's the ambiguity that i was speaking of.
― s>c>, Monday, 25 July 2005 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link
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― 2, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 00:01 (eighteen years ago) link
I want a watermelon.
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 01:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― 2, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 01:41 (eighteen years ago) link