review of nominations and VOTING for (very nebulously defined) ELECTRONIC DANCE TRACKS of the 00s

ah come on, take the plunge. would like to see your ballot as much as anyone's.

i found it easier when i stopped sweating stuff that didn't make the list.

i don't think "mouth to mouth" sounds anachronistic at all and in fact i just used "mund zu mund" in a set ... i hate to poo poo on long discussions but i think a lot of what gukbe and coal are talking about come down to the specific listener rather than the scene or country or genre.

(if I go to an indie disco every week in 2004, skip 2005 and 2006 completely, and go every week in 2007, I will probably be able to catch up fairly quickly on whatever I missed, whereas doing the same thing in EDM clubs would mean i would have completely missed out on a lot of stuff)

like this just strikes me as off-the-top-of-my-head idea making rather than anything rooted in reality

fwiw i dont think mouth to mouth SOUNDS anachronistic (which is why i separate it from things like nathan fake or eulberg), more just that it was such a big and bombastic record that it seemed difficult to play once its immediate time had passed - your experience may be different but i've never heard a DJ play it since when it was played the whole time

i don't think i've heard it out very much - in fact i don't know that i've heard it since, either - but i don't think that's rooted in some quality of the indie rock vs dance genres or club scenes, i'm sure we wouldn't have to think very long to come up with a few indie anthems from 2005/2006 that don't get played anymore as well as some that do. it's not like you'll hear le tigre, bloc party, the killers, franz ferdinand, etc if you go to an indie disco this weekend.

i mean YOU might, i probably wouldn't and haven't lately, and as far as "catching up with the sound" goes i think that has much much more to do w/ the listener than anything else

like this just strikes me as off-the-top-of-my-head idea making rather than anything rooted in reality

I exaggerated timescales but I mean I basically quit going to indie discos for a little over a year and when I went back it was all the same songs save one or two new things. I haven't been out dancing at all in over a year, and I only know a track like "Ragysh" because of ILX. I've never heard it in a club or even in a mix. I'm using that track just because, but if it were a big hit, say, I could imagine hearing it A LOT for a while and then not at all for ages after that (used to hear "Beautiful Life" a lot when it came out, then didn't hear it out anywhere for a long while, for example). I could see missing out on a number of tracks if you drop out of the scene or the music for a year.

it's not like you'll hear le tigre, bloc party, the killers, franz ferdinand, etc

probably not bloc party, but all the others one yeah I think there's a good chance.

ive no idea about what is played in indie discos

this is all obv based out of personal experience, and as someone mentioned, it's a lot different from country to country and even club-specific. i didn't think my original point was all that controversial though. I didn't go dancing for a year in 2007-2008 or roundabout then when I moved to Alabama and to this day I've never heard the Frankie Knuckles remix of "Blind" in a club, and the way people talked about it when it came out I got the impression that people heard it out and about a lot.

anyway i clearly don't know what i'm talking about so i should just shut up.

i think you could have been clubbing in alabama pretty solidly for a long time and never heard the frankie knuckles remix of "blind" out

haha that's true.

ftr i think you know what you're talking about but i also think that your experience has to do w/ your personal relationship w/ dance music and indie music, and that the same is true for just about anybody, and it's not your fault, all of these ideas like continuity, familiarity, etc are basically dependent on the listener and don't have any meaning in and of themselves in a vacuum

in other words this is a hermeneutic problem, not one that we could fix by looking at charts or tracklistings or playlists

i really wish it didn't have to be ranked :/

its all fun and games until i have to name something "the best electronic dance track of the 00s"

eh just fucking whittle em down by desert island disc ... "this one or that one" and the one that you pick moves "up" on the list ... you keep doing that until you're happy w/ the list. it's like voting for politicians. in the end it just comes down to the one you feel better about with your hand hovering over the ballot, and the snap decision makes as much sense as anything else.

hm, yeah, that's a good method, tournament style.

that's how i did it

it's kind of like an endless tournament though ... every time i switch two i gotta start again

i'm doing it where there is a reigning champion and each challenger goes down the list until it beats one

exactly

it's like voting for politicians. in the end it just comes down to the one you feel better about with your hand hovering over the ballot, and the snap decision makes as much sense as anything else.

this is a terrible way to vote for politicians too btw

ok i am looking at the spreadsheet

this is a terrible way to vote for politicians too btw

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d - malice gabryelle refix

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d malice - gabryelle refix fyi

so, when is the deadline?

sometime after i vote

i voted!

Durr it would be sort of tragic if you inspired this poll and then didn't vote in time, no pressure though.

I got my shortlist down to 48 with only another 30-40 on my remaining longlist by 6.30 today

one moar correction:

gabriel and the coutu dumonts they only come out at night

...should be guillaume and the coutu domonts

is this over or not?

I was on vacation. Some great nominations up there that are new to me:

Rekid - Next Stop Chicago

Martyn - Seventy Four (Redshape Mix)

mala - anti war dub
instra:mental - end credits

I promise to submit a ballot in the next 12 hours if polls are still open today.

Gonna submit my ballot by tomorrow, promise.

Emmanuel Jal - Kuar (Henrik Schwarz Remix)

Pfft. Damn.

i am gonna set an arbitrary deadline at 50 ballots

"50 ballotz stands for 1 ballot from every state of the USA, all them ballotz would be stronger than every weapon, if they would be united - THUG LIFE"

so how many ballots are we at right now? also i wish that spotify thing worked where i live cos i'd love to hear all those nominated tracks i don't know !

youtube has a ton of them

they'll also be the ones that get most votes (mouth to mouth, orbitalife) - records that really blow up and then disappear, it isn't because they're no good its because they tend to dominate, and then disrupt the flow of a set once they get heard a lot

Both of these records are too recent though - you need about a 10yr period of grace before they start to reappear. FWIW I don't think either of these records are that great, nor will they appear particularly high up the poll (Mouth to Mouth might place somewhere, I doubt many ppl care that much about Orbitalife at this stage in the game).

i have 34 ballots at this point ... we're going to next sunday (one week extension) goal is 50 posts

"mouth to mouth" is placing pretty high on my ballot i think

though i prefer "mund zu mund" these days

mund zu mund is totally the superior, but tragically overlooked, younger sibling.

I figure there's also a bunch of sometime ILM posters who are authorities on the subject and whose contributions would be invaluable (e.g. d.l3one p.sh3rburne) but probably don't know this poll exists.

we gotta pound the pavement a bit, webmail the usual suspects

OTOH if they were interested in ILM you'd think they'd have seen it buy now

Both of these records are too recent though - you need about a 10yr period of grace before they start to reappear. FWIW I don't think either of these records are that great, nor will they appear particularly high up the poll (Mouth to Mouth might place somewhere, I doubt many ppl care that much about Orbitalife at this stage in the game).

but they are records that disappear is the point....not when they reappear, but the fact that they disappear

many votes on chart will be based on memories, mouth to mouth will place highly

prefer i speak for some of that

whereas a record like fifth element prob never got overplayed in same way and never really dropped away often hear that played out

I don't know why I'm the only one having trouble making sense of this:

over 1000 nominations

50 votes each

So in one ballot we should include as many nominations as we want (up to 1000)? And then we choose our top 50 from all of the nominations from everyone? Sorry for being dense.