how many people need an extension, hands up
and how long do you need?
it's 8:30 am june 1st here so the official deadline is in sixteen hours
― the late great, Friday, June 1, 2012 3:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
a week would be great!
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
Voted
― Citizen Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
a week?!?
― the late great, Friday, 1 June 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
those Jurgen Paape tracks are the best thing ever - can't even tell which one I prefer
― Paul, Friday, 1 June 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
sunday deadline is cool with me, a week is too much
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 1 June 2012 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
Where's Jason K
Ah - I would have nominated that, but I couldn't remember what it was called or who it was by
― Pacific Trash Vortex (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 1 June 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
If this isn't top ten there is no justice, blasting it out at the moment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXOojiv5qls
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 1 June 2012 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
i can tell you now, odds are very low that will be top 10
― the late great, Friday, 1 June 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
Never heard it before, but just bought it ^
― Pacific Trash Vortex (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 1 June 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
(erm, xp)
something is raw is an all time jam tho not sure it would even make my top 10 STL tunes...
....nommed another STL (moving deep) but it didn't make the spreadsheet
― coal, Friday, 1 June 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
It's an unjust world. :D
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 1 June 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
Are we supposed to copy and paste from the spreadsheet onto our ballot?
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 2 June 2012 00:34 (twelve years ago) link
at least midweek extension would be good
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Saturday, 2 June 2012 00:56 (twelve years ago) link
ballot sent. let me know if it needs reformatting.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 2 June 2012 02:28 (twelve years ago) link
you don't have to copy and paste but feel free to if you want
― the late great, Saturday, 2 June 2012 02:49 (twelve years ago) link
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7212/7319678780_5c19f5c68f_m.jpg
― Carnage of PJ Soles (Pillbox), Saturday, 2 June 2012 10:56 (twelve years ago) link
I've voted. By the way I hope the Cosmos tune I voted for is the original long version and not the hastily cobbled together vocal atrocity.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 2 June 2012 11:56 (twelve years ago) link
i think that goes without saying. i hope it does as i threw it a vote too, more for the memories than anything.
― second only to popcorn (or something), Saturday, 2 June 2012 13:10 (twelve years ago) link
ok, I forgot one of my fav tracks, mathew dear's dseserter
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Saturday, 2 June 2012 14:28 (twelve years ago) link
missing from the ballot: Delinquent Feat. KCAT – My Destiny
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Saturday, 2 June 2012 14:51 (twelve years ago) link
We have until Sunday to vote?
― carl agatha, Saturday, 2 June 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
i am heavy into the Bs of the spotify list. Only the majority of the alphabet to listen to :) Will try and get a new jack list in tomorrow.
― Smothered, Covered and Chunked!!! (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 2 June 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
GAH how did voigt & voigt not get nominated!
sheesh i thought the kompakt crew were doing their job.
― the late great, Saturday, 2 June 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
also thank you to gukbe, pillbox and mattdcruz for ballots :-)
― the late great, Saturday, 2 June 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
should i vote in this, i kind of totally lost interest after it was expanded past '09 for some reason
― The Reverend, Saturday, 2 June 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
vote! there's no reason you can't just vote for 00-09 stuff
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Saturday, 2 June 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
I saw a voigt&voigt in there somewhere I'm sure.
― Chewshabadoo, Saturday, 2 June 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
one of the most interesting things about this poll for me is (my perceived) notion that EDM tracks are probably among the least "timeless" of genre tunes because it's so given to quick trends and that ceaseless thirst for The Next Big Thing. could be my relative lack of knowledge of 'the scene' though.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 3 June 2012 00:27 (eleven years ago) link
I would say that if anything the opposite is the case, in particular the format of the DJ mix allows for a constant reintegration of "the classics" into contemporary contexts.
― Tim F, Sunday, 3 June 2012 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
But doesn't that imply that those "classics" have fallen away a bit? Like there needs to be some time away for certain styles to come back and then you recontextualize the classics? Idk I think I view things kind of askew. I was reading an interview with Abrantee where talks about how UK Funky was the thing but then everyone was looking for something fresh and now people are moving to Afrobeats. To what extent does the rise of Afrobeats require the demise of UK Funky?
I'll cop to not really knowing what I'm talking about though. I spent a lot of time at indie discos (lol) and Optimo (which was always engaging with the past and the present) so it felt like a lot of other clubs were very much centred on The Now music-wise in comparison.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 3 June 2012 01:00 (eleven years ago) link
Like there needs to be some time away for certain styles to come back and then you recontextualize the classics?
This is true of everything everywhere though - it's not like Optimo played lots of songs from 5 years ago.
To the extent that indie discos are/were any different I think this is only because so few songs each year made it into the indie disco canon; my experience of going out to indie discos was that you heard the same songs every week forever because the DJs had so few options. OTOH that was circa 2000 and pre the New Rock Revolution so maybe things changed.
Certainly there are some dance scenes that are more current-focused and ignore the past more than others, but I think if we're going to paint in broad brushstrokes then I would say that dance music pays more attention rather than less to the canonisation of old classics.
To what extent does the rise of Afrobeats require the demise of UK Funky?
Broadly speaking this is correct but of course the very "demise" of UK Funky also has the effect of hardening perception of what its anthems were. By virtue of how they operate clubbing-based scenes have a more collectivist notion of what characterises the sound of a particular era than you might find in, say, rock scenes.
― Tim F, Sunday, 3 June 2012 01:21 (eleven years ago) link
That was, I suppose, what I was getting at. As I scrolled through the 1,000+ noms here, I could only pick a handful that I might consider to be canonised, which is why I'm really interested to see what people have landed on and to what extent there's a consensus.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 3 June 2012 01:47 (eleven years ago) link
the demise of funky = the moment when i put ill blu & dj traxman on my list
― the late great, Sunday, 3 June 2012 01:56 (eleven years ago) link
ime it was always "try out new band early on" but then the last hour or two would always be "Another Girl, Another Planet" or x Smiths song etc. There seemed to be a real trepidation when everyone's on the floor to try out something too new. Club DJs, otoh, are always reaching for the newest thing, and you might "Ragysh" or whatever (haven't been dancing in a while as you can probably tell) a lot over the course of a few months and then it disappears.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 3 June 2012 02:12 (eleven years ago) link
I guess it has to do with audience as well as the style. Indie discos are about "i want to dance to this song/I don't want to dance to this song" so people get up and sit down a lot more than at a club where they just want to dance and the more the DJ can wow them the better, but it tends to be less about "I want to dance to Ragysh" and more "oh wow I love this track" as they're already dancing.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 3 June 2012 02:14 (eleven years ago) link
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, June 3, 2012
for me - i think this is true of UK-focused scenes but not of house music in general
― coal, Sunday, 3 June 2012 06:30 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I should have said that, along with all of the other limitations on my perspective, it is certainly UK-centric.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 3 June 2012 06:32 (eleven years ago) link
Club DJs, otoh, are always reaching for the newest thing, and you might "Ragysh" or whatever (haven't been dancing in a while as you can probably tell) a lot over the course of a few months and then it disappears.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, June 3, 2012 3:12 AM
for bigger tune yes they are likely to get a big peak in it being played and then falls away, but a lot of great DJs (arpiar, zip, panorama bar residents, cdv residents etc ) will play stuff from all kinds of different periods, you just won't necessarily know that
― coal, Sunday, 3 June 2012 06:33 (eleven years ago) link
^ ie forgotten records from 1998 or whenever thrown in, records that probably cost $1 on discogs but....only because no one knows what it is
― coal, Sunday, 3 June 2012 06:34 (eleven years ago) link
it tends to be less about "I want to dance to Ragysh" and more "oh wow I love this track" as they're already dancing.
partly but more i think its about a set, as in how a bunch of things hang together
― coal, Sunday, 3 June 2012 06:41 (eleven years ago) link
That was sort of my point, though admittedly poorly made. You're up dancing, and it's up to the DJ to make it really exciting, and it's those standout tracks that get people really excited (this is opposed to indie disco where you get up to dance to a song or two, and when you don't like one, you just sit down again - it's about individual selection rather than the whole piece).
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 3 June 2012 06:44 (eleven years ago) link
overall i see where you are coming from re:timeless but one of the things i love about dance music (or at least non UK-focused dance music) is actually a weird sense of true timelessness, records from the past aren't necessarily "oh here's this thing from the past that sounds like its from the past" its more "this record is going to work right now and it could have been made at any time who even knows". i actually like house music's non-changing nature, house music is always house music...is a dan bell record from the 90s dated?
of course there are still a lot of the records on this nomination list that are definitely dated (all that eulberg and ananda type stuff....and anyone voting for mouth to mouth is living in some kind of nostalgia zone) , but in a way its only bigger hits that get 'dated', and most records aren't actually like that
― coal, Sunday, 3 June 2012 06:51 (eleven years ago) link
Definitely voted for Mouth to Mouth out of nostalgia, good times were had.
― Josiah Alan, Sunday, 3 June 2012 06:55 (eleven years ago) link
xpost
that's why I'm interested! I want to see what records have come through being passing phases or big hits for a time and are now deemed truly 'timeless'. I'm definitely not a House purist though, and that's gonna come into this poll a lot I reckon. House remains the same maybe but minimal (MNML?) was a thing and then it wasn't, dubstep was a thing and then it morphed, UK Funky etc etc etc.
all I was really getting at is that this poll, in my mind, is more interesting than, say, a best albums of the 00s where Kid A is gonna sweep into a top 10 spot or whatever because I think there's a more agreed-upon canon in other genres than there is in EDM, and a lot of that has to do with trends (if I go to an indie disco every week in 2004, skip 2005 and 2006 completely, and go every week in 2007, I will probably be able to catch up fairly quickly on whatever I missed, whereas doing the same thing in EDM clubs would mean i would have completely missed out on a lot of stuff).
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 3 June 2012 07:13 (eleven years ago) link
You could just as easily argue that it's not the timeless qualities of dance music that lead to the 20 year cycle of reappropriation, its the music that is quintessentially of its time. No one likes Italo disco because it sounds like it was made yesterday, it got dug up again because of its influence on house and its novelty factor as kitsch. I voted for music that reminded me of the last 12 years, not the music I think I'll still like in a decade.
― Josiah Alan, Sunday, 3 June 2012 07:29 (eleven years ago) link
I've had a latin freestyle song stuck in my head for three days so its possible I suffer from an unique viewpoint on the subject, fortunately for me there are a lot of people with better taste than mine on this board.
― Josiah Alan, Sunday, 3 June 2012 08:04 (eleven years ago) link
I want to see what records have come through being passing phases or big hits for a time and are now deemed truly 'timeless'.
i think 'big hits' (of any genre) sort of become 'out of time'...almost the opposite of timeless, in that regardless of actual sound (dated or no) their ubiquity takes them outside of normal time.
You could just as easily argue that it's not the timeless qualities of dance music that lead to the 20 year cycle of reappropriation, its the music that is quintessentially of its time.
i think yes - music quintessentially of its time (italo disco, 90s drum'n'bass, electroclash or whatever) is what falls out of time and gets reapproriated - but lots of music isn't quite so of a particular time (gemini, daniel bell) and doesn't really fall out of time as such and therefore doesn't have faddish reappropriation in the same way
― coal, Sunday, 3 June 2012 09:17 (eleven years ago) link
I voted for music that reminded me of the last 12 years, not the music I think I'll still like in a decade.
― Josiah Alan, Sunday, June 3, 2012
this poll is kind of a composite of those two views. if i'm voting in 2012 about records from 2002 then i'm kind of voting on music that i DID end up liking a decade later, no? unless you are taking self into past and voting on nostalgia alone
― coal, Sunday, 3 June 2012 09:21 (eleven years ago) link
House remains the same maybe but minimal (MNML?) was a thing and then it wasn't,
yeah but a lot of that thing about minimal being in and then out was really just about labelling or defining rather than actual music, stuff gets tagged as minimal then the term falls out of fashion and then "oh look these particular records were never minimal after all" - i mean is a villalobos set from today drastically different from one in 2005? i'd say there's a lot of continuity there! could be totally different records from different periods but could easily take stuff from one set and put it in the othea lot of those records are 'timeless' in that they could be from any particular time, if he plays a record from 1999 next to one from 2008 its not necessarily obvious at all...
...guess this kind of comes back to that argument about retromania (which i think makes a certain sense in a UK context, with the turnover of genres and reappropriations but not so much on a wider scale with house music where there is more continuity
― coal, Sunday, 3 June 2012 09:53 (eleven years ago) link