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― iglu ferrignu, Sunday, 22 April 2012 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
deadline is may 1st
― the late great, Sunday, 22 April 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
re: vote systems
i am a math hobbyist so i am just having fun with it
― the late great, Sunday, 22 April 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
ok, a quick look at "limiting cases" reveals the geometric mean system to be a surprisingly terrible idea. it seems to work pretty well at rewarding consistency when the spread is not crazy.
but consider the following situation
track A receives three first place votes. using a normal point system, the geometric mean comes out to 50 points, and multiplying up by three gives us 150 points. you get the same result using the geometric mean system.
track B receives three first place and one fiftieth-place vote. this should give track B a tiny "edge" on track A, but instead the geometric mean comes out to about 18.8 which gives it about 75 points overall!!
― the late great, Sunday, 22 April 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
i think the geometric mean system would work well if we did the sort of thing where we narrowed it down to the same 50 finalists and then *everybody* ranked those same 50 tracks, but the way the poll is set up right now it doesn't make sense at all.
― the late great, Sunday, 22 April 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
Junior Senior - move your bodyJimmy Edgar - i wanna be you std
― Moka, Sunday, 22 April 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
whirlpool productions - from disco to disco (original extended version) http://youtu.be/Z3IF0MrX6twmodjo - lady (hear me tonight) http://youtu.be/j3V3n7zccMIchicken lips - he not in http://youtu.be/vILJkUeUrcwhenrik schwartz - leave my head alone brain http://youtu.be/V_tkl2-fFDczongamin - serious trouble http://youtu.be/ckNCFiXj8sI frankie valli - beggin' (pilooski edit) http://youtu.be/xAg_okIYEtglovebirds - modern stalking http://youtu.be/BbSbVK21AVM
― ♆ (gr8080), Sunday, 22 April 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
Plus Device – Body heatBoy 8-Bit – The suspense is killing meSiriusmo – nights off
― Moka, Sunday, 22 April 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
Pilooski is not eligible.
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Sunday, 22 April 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
uh, why not?
not saying i necessarily disagree, but i think you should be giving reasons why rather than just flatly stating it.
― the late great, Sunday, 22 April 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
like i understand that on the surface it seems like, ok, it's just an edit of a 50s doowop track or whatever, but then again i see on your list you nominated a mark e track which is itself just an edit and joakims remix of camino del sol and floating points vacuum boogie, both of which seem much less "dancey" than the "beggin" remix
and besides, the "beggin" remix was a club smash and conceptually not so different from, say, a lot of moodymann tracks
― the late great, Sunday, 22 April 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
sorry, i missed all the discussion upthread about disco edits etc
― ♆ (gr8080), Sunday, 22 April 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
personally i think it makes sense to include disco edits because 1) sort of a defining feature and major trend of 00s dance and 2) can't figure out a logically consistent place to draw a line between filter/loop disco house and edits.
― the late great, Sunday, 22 April 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
disco edits?? that def seems out IMO.
― the late great, Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:31 PM (4 days ago)
― ♆ (gr8080), Sunday, 22 April 2012 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
Edits are certainly some kind of grey area, but I need to know, cause I'm definitely gonna vote for at least one 6th borough project/revenge track if I can.
That said, Durrr's poll policing = nagl.
― EDB, Sunday, 22 April 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
LOL well my first instinct def not always right IMO
― the late great, Sunday, 22 April 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
like theo's parliament ugly edit or his etta james don't really seem to convert those tracks into house or techno tracks, they more or less sound very true to the originals and just give djs more to work with, whereas (iirc, admit i haven't listened lately) the frankie valli thing makes it waaaaay more danceable and modern than the original
i dunno, i did also say upthread it was really sticky territory and that i didn't want to be the one making the decision!
i guess the people will have their say via their votes
― the late great, Sunday, 22 April 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
whirlpool productions - from disco to disco (original extended version)
i think this is from 1998?
― Tim F, Sunday, 22 April 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
However let me add:
Dubtribe Sound System - Do It Now
actually it's from 96! but i think most people first heard jacques lu cont's remix which was indeed from 98.
― the late great, Sunday, 22 April 2012 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
my bad, there were several versions released in '06
― ♆ (gr8080), Sunday, 22 April 2012 23:11 (twelve years ago) link
it'll be my #1 regardless
Late great, it's not a matter of dancability. It's just that in Pilooski's Beggin you can still hear 80% of the original track. A different animal from Moodyman's works in which you can really hear the rework done. In a lesser extent the same can be said about tiger n woods, revenge, mark e, 6th borough, etc. Although I'm still not sure whether they're eligible or not. I'll leave it to you guys to decide.
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Monday, 23 April 2012 00:17 (twelve years ago) link
Sascha Funke – MangoDominik Eulberg – AdlerGui Boratto – AtolPopnoname – The MovementBooka Shade – CharlotteRatatat – WildcatUlrich Schnauss – On My OwnSoulwax – NY Excuse
― Moka, Monday, 23 April 2012 04:59 (twelve years ago) link
Im writing from my mobile and its a pain to doublecheck, terribly sorry. My last noms:
Mount Kimbie - MaybesMikkel Metal – VictimizerJustus Köhncke - TimecodeBoards of Canada – In a Beautiful Place Out in the CountryPantha du Prince – Saturn StrobeFever Ray – When I Grow UpMinilogue – The Girl from Botany BayJohn Tejada – The End of it AllMilanese – Caramel CognacDeepchord present Echospace – Empyrean
― Moka, Monday, 23 April 2012 05:10 (twelve years ago) link
Sorry but BoC and fever ray can't be included. I think the others would agree
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Monday, 23 April 2012 05:29 (twelve years ago) link
Blackstrobe - I'm A Man (Audion Donation Remix)
On my laptop, double and triple checked.
― pattern loader, Monday, 23 April 2012 05:57 (twelve years ago) link
LCD Soundsystem - Tribulations (Tiga Remix)Repair - Forgive & Forget (Richard Davis Remix)The Modernist - Abi '81Charlotte Gainsbourg - The Operation (Superpitcher Remix)The Shortwave Set - Now Til 69 (Aeroplane Remix)
― groovemaaan, Monday, 23 April 2012 06:17 (twelve years ago) link
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr)
Why not? Your list had Studio, Blondes and Lindstrom & Prins Thomas and they're even closer to pop/rock than Fever Ray (assuming its electronic-ness is your complaint).
Concerning BoC well it's definitely electronic and compared to some of the noms I've seen that are borderline ambient this one at least has a driving beat throughout. Maybe not apt for bodyrocking but you can definitely bob your head to it.
― Moka, Monday, 23 April 2012 06:59 (twelve years ago) link
I mean honestly, I love both tracks but Studio is hardly electronic either and I'd even argue is dancefloor worthy if those are our parameters. Compare it to the Fever Ray track and tell me which one fits better the concept of electronica:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjmYAl9GUMchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F-CpE73o2M
― Moka, Monday, 23 April 2012 07:03 (twelve years ago) link
Herbert - Moving Like A Train (Smith N' Hack Remix)
<3
― gucci gyoza (tpp), Monday, 23 April 2012 07:17 (twelve years ago) link
Eh? I can see the point for Fever Ray, but what's wrong with BoC?
― Tuomas, Monday, 23 April 2012 07:41 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, we have plenty of not-really-clubby electronic music in the noms, how is BoC different from that?
― Tuomas, Monday, 23 April 2012 07:42 (twelve years ago) link
This is exactly why I don't think the word "dance" should be in the poll. Anything with a steady beat is technically danceable, so there'll just be endless arguments whether this or that tune is "proper" dance.
― Tuomas, Monday, 23 April 2012 07:44 (twelve years ago) link
For example, a lot 00s minimal techno is such that I couldn't imagine dancing to it, but I'm sure there are other people who think it is dance music.
― Tuomas, Monday, 23 April 2012 07:46 (twelve years ago) link
xpost: My point. I mean let's take Ricardo Villalobos, I love him and think his tracks deserve to be in the top ranks in this poll but if you can imagine dancing to a tune like 'sieso' you might as well dance to BoC.
― Moka, Monday, 23 April 2012 07:49 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it's like Tangerine Dream are electronic and you can nod to your head to them, just gonna check their 00s output
― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Monday, 23 April 2012 07:49 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't see anyone complaining about Pole.
― Moka, Monday, 23 April 2012 07:52 (twelve years ago) link
as a curious bystander who won't be participating (but will probably follow the results for pointers), i'm also a little confused by what the submissions criteria might be.
i wonder if the the distinction is primarily functional, between music that's aimed explicitly at the dance floor and stuff that caters more to the non-dancing user. if so, then what's wrong with mostly electronic mainstream pop that works as dance music? you know, like madonna tracks or w/e. is that stuff excluded cuz it's too accessible and well-known, thus would soak up lurker points? or is the central presence of the unsampled human voice an automatic disqualifier?
also, is "electronic dance" music defined here in a negative sense, by the fact that it couldn't conceivably be described as anything else? (i.e., not pop, not rap, not indie, not rock, etc...)
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Monday, 23 April 2012 07:54 (twelve years ago) link
I think Durr Durr Durr really wanted a "top 100 electronic dance tracks you'd be most likely to buy either from a vinyl record store or from beatport or juno, preferably limited to music made (or released by labels) in Germany or Detroit, of the 00s" poll, and has been fighting a rearguard action ever since.
― Tim F, Monday, 23 April 2012 08:04 (twelve years ago) link
FWIW I was thinking of nominating the Stuart Price extended version of Madonna's Hung Up, but it's not on YouTube and I can't remember exactly how it goes. But anything which there's an equivalent to an "Extended Club Mix" is fair game tbh.
I'm generally leaning in favour of the disco edits being included and away from Fever Ray/BoC (at least in unremixed form), based on what I remember dancing to, but not hugely fussed.
― etc, Monday, 23 April 2012 08:06 (twelve years ago) link
I think we need to start over. I think maybe it would be clearest to call this top 100 bobbins/partisans tracks of the 00s.
But yeah, the thread now has dance in the title anyways. I won't be voting for BOC then.
― EDB, Monday, 23 April 2012 08:16 (twelve years ago) link
"top 100 electronic dance tracks you'd be most likely to buy either from a vinyl record store or from beatport or juno, preferably limited to music made (or released by labels) in Germany or Detroit, of the 00s"
This would then limit the voter pool to a small subgroup of posters - basically the people who post to the "rolling dance" and "techno/house bobbins" threads - which is okay, I guess, if you want it like that... But maybe he should've then advertised the poll only on those threads, like the rap goons did/do on their yearly polls. Starting a general thread means others beyond that niche are gonna get interested, and hence we get into arguments like this.
― Tuomas, Monday, 23 April 2012 08:20 (twelve years ago) link
(x-post with EDB)
I dunno, I think it seems pretty reasonable to open up a thread to all instead of imposing self-ghettoization.
― EDB, Monday, 23 April 2012 08:24 (twelve years ago) link
So basically: if you want to do a poll that get more voters than the bobbins crew, you gonna have to accept that people's definition of "electronic dance" is wider than in those threads.
(x-post)
― Tuomas, Monday, 23 April 2012 08:28 (twelve years ago) link
I don't really get why someone would vote for Boards of Canada in a poll like this.
― groovemaaan, Monday, 23 April 2012 08:30 (twelve years ago) link
If we base our picks on danceability then we might as well nominate kylie minogue or something and that would defeat the purpose of this poll. I mean, surely "EDM" is clear enough to you? BoC is IDM and fever ray is electronic(pop?) whatever. Wikipedia has a traditional definition of EDM which I quoted above. Let's follow it. That's the key word I guess, traditional. This might be a stretch but it's like Dylan and Springsteen don't belong in a punk songs list even though their lyrics are sometimes "punk." By the way good point Moka about Studio, Blondes and Pole. I wouldn't mind if they're deleted if they contradict what I was saying.
P.s. please bear my english.
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Monday, 23 April 2012 08:33 (twelve years ago) link
i think tracks is the key word here, electronic dance tracks.
― JacobSanders, Monday, 23 April 2012 08:37 (twelve years ago) link
you are all maniacs.
― ♆ (gr8080), Monday, 23 April 2012 08:39 (twelve years ago) link