errr house is house and ukg is ukg. and I don't think there's any doubt whether dnb and trance count as house/techno. I mean, really?
sorry, I mean 10 votes per person. about the candidates, do we really have to set it? why don't we just make it free to pick from all house/techno tracks available?
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 19 April 2012 04:24 (twelve years ago) link
guess what i'm getting at is that if we really want to be inclusive and comprehensive limiting noms seems counterproductive
we want people to think hard about their votes, this preliminary stage should be like "oh yeah what about THAT killer track?!?" not like "oh shit maybe i should hold off on my noms in case i forgot some track or other" or "damn i forgot crazy frog will someone nominate it for me"
― the late great, Thursday, 19 April 2012 04:25 (twelve years ago) link
i think the best (and most common) voting method is giving a set number of points (50?) to distribute among tracks as you see fit
but yeah i dunno the scope question is a tough one and i'd like to let people like tim and lex who have been very active on dance threads and who often advocate for things like ukg to weigh in on it too
― the late great, Thursday, 19 April 2012 04:30 (twelve years ago) link
and then there's the question of FRANKENDANCE
― the late great, Thursday, 19 April 2012 04:31 (twelve years ago) link
well i will nominate these big dumb obvious choices:
the mfa - the difference it makes (superpitcher remix)delia gonzalez and gavin russom - relevee (carl craig remix)ada - i love asphaltcortney tidwell - don't let stars keep us tangled up (ewan pearson remix)vitalic - la rock 01hystereo - winters in the cityantena - camino del sol (joakim remix)jurgen paape - so weit wie noch niealan braxe and fred falke - rubiconkiki - gas 126
― y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Thursday, 19 April 2012 04:34 (twelve years ago) link
why i was asking about remixes, btw
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Thursday, 19 April 2012 04:35 (twelve years ago) link
seems a little weird to have a "best dance tracks poll" and NOT have remixes imo. unless you were talking about what would happen if multiple versions of a track get nominated?
― y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Thursday, 19 April 2012 04:36 (twelve years ago) link
no, i was just wondering if i would nom, say, that Jaques Lu Cont remix of "Mr. Brightside".
really worried about people being sniffy.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Thursday, 19 April 2012 04:37 (twelve years ago) link
let them sniff, imo
― the Tupac herogram (haitch), Thursday, 19 April 2012 04:38 (twelve years ago) link
remixes are fine
different remixes are different tracks on a record so they are separate in terms of both nomination and vote
― the late great, Thursday, 19 April 2012 04:39 (twelve years ago) link
I don't really get what you mean about nominations and candidates but I'm flexible about it, really. It's the scope that I'm concerned about. I just think that there are countless "top dance tracks" lists already and do we really want to see one more? With only house and techno it just feels more focused and "purer."
The points idea sounds good.
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 19 April 2012 04:40 (twelve years ago) link
I think the problem with "let's keep it house and techno" is that while it may seem obvious to some that drum & bass or UKG aren't applicable, I don't think the position of uk funky or post-dubstep or electro-house are nearly so clear cut, but I get the impression from durr durr durr that he'd want all of these excluded.
And then, if uk funky is excluded, should we also exclude Dennis Ferrer? And if we have a different position, what's the basis?
This comes down to 'what does durr durr durr (or anyone else) really want out of this poll' - I don't think 'house/techno' is a particularly clear answer.
― Tim F, Thursday, 19 April 2012 04:51 (twelve years ago) link
Alter Ego - RockerLuomo - Tessio
― pattern loader, Thursday, 19 April 2012 04:54 (twelve years ago) link
criteria should be 'bangin' tunes you tear up the dancefloor to'
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Thursday, 19 April 2012 04:56 (twelve years ago) link
^^agree with this
― the Tupac herogram (haitch), Thursday, 19 April 2012 04:58 (twelve years ago) link
And then, if uk funky is excluded, should we also exclude Dennis Ferrer?
...wut
anyway this makes a lot more sense now that i see the orig request for a nomination thread came from the house/techno bobbins thread
― fauxmarc, Thursday, 19 April 2012 04:59 (twelve years ago) link
why would we exclude garage or etc? that shit doesn't even make sense to me.
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:01 (twelve years ago) link
yes, tim. I want uk funky and post-dubstep excluded, as much as I like both. but I think electrohouse (booka shade, etc) belongs in this poll. as well as Dennis Ferrer. I mean, he's as house as house can be in my ears.
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:03 (twelve years ago) link
― fauxmarc, Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:59 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes, that can be a good parameter. anything that belongs in the house/techno bobbins threads, belongs here. there, I think we have our scope. what do you think, late great?
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:05 (twelve years ago) link
we can have a "dance partisans" poll later, ha.
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:07 (twelve years ago) link
i could mostly give less of a fuck about the bobbins thread :/
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:07 (twelve years ago) link
i don't see the point in having seperate polls tho
i mean, i think v's original formulation is pretty straightforward
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:08 (twelve years ago) link
Books Shade - Night Falls
― pattern loader, Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:12 (twelve years ago) link
Booka (stupid auto-correct)
― pattern loader, Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:13 (twelve years ago) link
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:07 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
but i want to see what are the top PURE house/techno tracks according to ILM :((((((((((((((((
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:16 (twelve years ago) link
I fart in your PURE.
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:20 (twelve years ago) link
Each and Everyone (Blindhouse Mix) - AdaAlways - Midi RainFaith (Jazzanova mix) Amp FiddlerParis (Aeroplane Mix) Friendly FiresPerfect Lovers (Unperfect Mix) Phantom Ghost
― JacobSanders, Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:20 (twelve years ago) link
Fuckpony - Ride The Pony
― pattern loader, Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:20 (twelve years ago) link
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:20 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
looollll. ok, what about house/techno and anything closely related? it means no dnb, breaks, dubstep (ouch), etc.
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:25 (twelve years ago) link
would also mean about 75% of trax already nommed would be out
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:27 (twelve years ago) link
What Else Is There (Trentemøller Mix) Röyksopp
― JacobSanders, Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:28 (twelve years ago) link
Matias Aguayo -Minimal (Dj Koze Remix)
― pattern loader, Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:29 (twelve years ago) link
I don't really get why you would exclude UK Funky and include Ferrer.
In that case it's as logical to say "no techno not from detroit".
― Tim F, Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:30 (twelve years ago) link
Not that I really care but i think if you're gonna be restrictive then you should have a think about what the biases really are.
if this is really about "middle class refined house and techno only please" then say so.
― Tim F, Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:31 (twelve years ago) link
more like 75% of the trax already nommed are fitting enough. 85%, even.
xpost
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:34 (twelve years ago) link
i like the idea of an all encompassing electronic dance music poll of the 00s
― JacobSanders, Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:36 (twelve years ago) link
Audion - Mouth to MouthMatthew Jonson - Marionette
― pattern loader, Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:38 (twelve years ago) link
I'd just say to hell with it and let the voters decide which tracks are house/techno related and which are not. We're cool enough to do that, right? About Dennis Ferrer, I don't understand what's the deal. Yes, maybe his tracks get played by uk funky dj's but his tracks are house, no doubt about it.
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:39 (twelve years ago) link
i'm also still trying to grasp this tying of ferrer to funky rather than mainstream house archetypes and it isn't happening at all
― fauxmarc, Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:42 (twelve years ago) link
Shackleton - Blood On My Hands (Ricardo Villalobos Remix)
― pattern loader, Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:42 (twelve years ago) link
I think it's best to have a wide range of noms, and people can decide for themselves what they consider to fit under the umbrella. If only because I think this Dennis Ferrer/UK Funky v House thing would be just the tip of the iceberg.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:44 (twelve years ago) link
also I'm well excited for this. thanks lg!
and what kind of umbrella is it?
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:47 (twelve years ago) link
Well the umbrella would presumably be "electronic dance tracks of the 00s"
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:51 (twelve years ago) link
also is this 2000-2009?
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:52 (twelve years ago) link
if that's the umbrella then I don't see any debate about what fits and what doesn't.
let's make it 2000-now.
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 19 April 2012 06:05 (twelve years ago) link
exactly
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Thursday, 19 April 2012 06:09 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I was just citing it as an example.
But if you can't see why saying "The Cure & The Cause" is in but "Do You Mind" is out is thoroughly inconsistent then you do not have ears.
― Tim F, Thursday, 19 April 2012 06:15 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not the kind of person who typically says "screw genre it's all a big free for all" but I thinkl there are loads of fairly dodgy assumptions behind running "house / techno" together as if "we all know" what kind of music this means.
― Tim F, Thursday, 19 April 2012 06:16 (twelve years ago) link
kerrier district (luke vibert) - dickmariah carey - h.a.t.e.u. (chew fu stop hatin' mix)
― iglu ferrignu, Saturday, 28 April 2012 08:58 (twelve years ago) link
Not particularly fashionable atm but:
Justice - Waters Of Nazareth
― Just like you, except hot (ShariVari), Saturday, 28 April 2012 09:55 (twelve years ago) link
connan mockasin - forever dolphin love (erol alkan extended rework) http://youtu.be/pVu5BXppxyg
― ♆ (gr8080), Monday, 30 April 2012 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
Metro Area - Orange Alert (DFA Remix)Pet Shop Boys - Minimal (Tocadisco's Sunday at Space Mix)
two that *might* be up for debate:
Phoenix - Lisztomania (Classixx Version)Justice - D.A.N.C.E. (Alan Braxxe Remix)
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 01:44 (twelve years ago) link
Calling late great to proceed with this poll
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:04 (twelve years ago) link
Some of these nominations are a bit on the poppy side, and I'm dubious that any nominations at this late date will gather any consensus, but only about half of my favorites were already covered above:
Kylie Minogue - Slow (Chemical Brothers remix)Blondie - Heart of Glass (Jesse Garcia Electric Spain remix)Offer Nissim - Perfect LoveRihanna - Don't Stop the Music (Jody Den Broeder Big Room mix)Missill - Glitch (feat. Jahcoozi)ATFC feat. Rae - Giv Me Luv (Ocean Trench Mix)The Amplifetes - Somebody New (Claes Rosen Vocal remix)Count Funkula - CorruptionStoneBridge - Put 'Em High (JJ 12" mix)DJ Sneak - Fix My SinkSylvie Marks & Hal 9000 - Baby I'm ElectricMylo - Drop the Pressure (Rex the Dog mix)Trentemøller - RykketidClassixx - I'll Get You feat. JeppJeremy Glenn - New Life (Perseus 'Summer of 83' remix)Pablo Calamari - I Bought My Wife on the Black Market (Dcup mix)Body Language - Social Studies (Plastic Plates remix)
― The Painter of Blight™ (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:16 (twelve years ago) link
poll closes at the stroke of midnight GMT on may 2 2012
― the late great, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 04:45 (twelve years ago) link
wait, our votes have to be in by then?
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 04:46 (twelve years ago) link
nominations for the poll I mean
― the late great, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 04:51 (twelve years ago) link
phew. reassessing some of these tracks takes longer when they're all 9 minutes.
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:02 (twelve years ago) link
some big tunes before this closes:
depeche mode - enjoy the silence (ewan pearson remix)Minimal Man - Make a Move Carl Craig - SandstormsKings of Tomorrow - Finally St Germain - Rose Rouge Funk D'Void - Diabla Moodymann - J.A.N. Pépé Bradock - Life
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:40 (twelve years ago) link
Hold on, you're complaining about other people's choices not being electronic enough, and you're nominating "Rose Rouge"? (Not that I've anything against it, brilliant tune!)
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:58 (twelve years ago) link
But but, isn't it jazzy/deep house? I've never complained about some tracks being "not electronic enough" anyway. Maybe you mean not EDM enough.
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:04 (twelve years ago) link
i was thinking of nom'ing sandstorms, life and JAN the other day, but got sidetracked, so thx
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
Henrik Schwarz - Stop Look And ListenRhythm And Sound - Poor People Must Work (Carl Craig Remix)Martyn - Seventy Four (Redshape Mix)Panda Bear - BrosThe Field - KappstaPantha Du Prince – Eisbaden
― maarten, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
i like how you try to sneak panda bear in behind a few excellent choices
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 1 May 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
progress? anything? late great
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Friday, 4 May 2012 06:17 (twelve years ago) link
wait until the weekend
― the late great, Friday, 4 May 2012 06:31 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR8jOJZERhs
― like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 May 2012 06:39 (twelve years ago) link
cool :)
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Friday, 4 May 2012 08:00 (twelve years ago) link
Thanks NickB for building up that spotify playlist
― Pacific Trash Vortex (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Saturday, 5 May 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
Erm.... just a link here for anyone else (like me) who wasn't aware of the new thread:review of nominations and VOTING for (very nebulously defined) ELECTRONIC DANCE TRACKS of the 00s
― Pacific Trash Vortex (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 10 May 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
thank you NBS
― the late great, Thursday, 10 May 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link