― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 04:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 06:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
There's styles and forms of dancing in 90's indie-rock that are consistent with its masculinist overtones, and if I'm being slightly over-determinist Sasha - I'm painting in broad colours to emphasize a point too often overlooked by male rock critics...
― Michael Dieter, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 06:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 06:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 06:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 07:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
But to clarify one last missing term from the gendered reading. Indie-rock has a conflicted relationship to CONSUMPTION - the idea of 'selling-out', being commercial, being pop. This is a re-staging of the well-documented dilemmas of masculinity and consumption, something you don't find in pop because of its feminine orientation.
The idea of the body - which has somewhat led the thread astray toward dancing - was more a comment on the focus of consumption, 'technologies of the self' (ugh, Foucault) that are more compatible with the chart, boy-bands and teen-queens etc...
And btw, this is a well-rehearsed position in popular cultural studies. Gender/Music criticism does not merely begin and end with Sreynolds guys!
― Michael Dieter, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 07:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sasha Frere-Jones (Sasha Frere-Jones), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 09:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
not quite.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 11:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
Somehow those King Kong records slipped through.
― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 13:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 13:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 15:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 15:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 15:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 15:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
indie rock has no RIGHT to "inject danceable elements" into their music, because indie dorks can't dance for shit, nobody wants to see them dance, and because they've resigned themselves to a right of cooler-than-thou inward-looking mopiness, they are therefore not ALLOWED to dance, either.
word bond.
― Mike Drach, Thursday, 24 April 2003 01:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Thursday, 24 April 2003 01:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 24 April 2003 01:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― omit (omit), Thursday, 24 April 2003 03:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 24 April 2003 03:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Thursday, 24 April 2003 03:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 24 April 2003 07:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Friday, 25 April 2003 14:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Friday, 25 April 2003 14:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
"Wish Fulfillment"
"If I was a sick little kid, and I could have a wish granted by the Make-A-Wish Foundation, I would make them have the Neptunes produce a song with this structure: First verse, Stephen Malkmus on vocals. Second verse, Ghostface Killah. Sung chorus by Andre 3000. Third verse, Jay-Z. Chorus by Andre. Fourth verse, Mark E. Smith. Chorus by Andre, with outro vocals by Bob Pollard. And it would be amazing. I'd want the Neptunes to make a track not entirely unlike Mystikal's "Bouncin' Back", but a bit faster and bouncier."
― hstencil, Friday, 25 April 2003 14:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gareth (gareth), Friday, 25 April 2003 15:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
Man, would I be like really out of line and gauche to ask SFJ to offer up some thoughts on what prompted his own band's pretty tepid and bloodless (but not altogether uninteresting) music? I mean this could be really helpful in terms of moving towards an answer to his own initial question. I mean, SFJ was there. -- Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, April 20, 2003 11:41 PM (4 years ago)
:-0
― gershy, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 02:29 (sixteen years ago) link
lol, i was looking for this again when that whole new yorker thing was raging.
― gershy, Sunday, 11 November 2007 17:55 (sixteen years ago) link
Sometimes it really seems as though a lot of you just want to live in a world where all of the music sounds the same, means the same thing, and is made for the same reasons.
-- Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:12 (4 years ago) Bookmark Link
― Dom Passantino, Sunday, 11 November 2007 18:03 (sixteen years ago) link