"Ether" vs. "Takeover"

This is some bullshit.

I would have voted Ether.

Most of the disses in Ether are weak

already an album called Blueprint = not interesting
thinks he gets girls because of his looks = jay-z makes fun of how girls thought he was ugly until he had money
gay-z/cockafella = ...
better than big = never actually said
whole chorus = extremely labored, not catchy, not all that clever

not to be all "Hey, stop being unfair to Jay-Z!" but Ether is a boring punchline song and the punchlines don't even land.

Can agree that Ether is mostly silly playground name-calling but it's waaaaay better since Nas puts son in place on so many tips:

What's sad is I love you 'cause you're my brother
You traded your soul for riches

My child, I've watched you grow up to be famous
And now I smile like a proud dad, watching his only son that made it

Is he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy?
Oh, I get it, you Biggie and he's Puffy

And your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame
You ass, went from Jaz to hanging with Caine, to Herb, to Big

Shawn Carter to Jay-Z, damn you on Jaz dick

How much of Biggie's rhymes is gonna come out your fat lips?

You pop shit, apologize, nigga, just ask Kiss

All that kinda stuff. Ether wins.

the large professor/tec on your dresser jab >

What's sad is I love you 'cause you're my brother
You traded your soul for riches

My child, I've watched you grow up to be famous
And now I smile like a proud dad, watching his only son that made it

Is he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy?
Oh, I get it, you Biggie and he's Puffy

And your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame
You ass, went from Jaz to hanging with Caine, to Herb, to Big

Shawn Carter to Jay-Z, damn you on Jaz dick

How much of Biggie's rhymes is gonna come out your fat lips?

You pop shit, apologize, nigga, just ask Kiss

All that kinda stuff. Ether wins.

-- a-tron, Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:43 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

All the digs are kind of lame - Jay-Z looks like a camel, Nas wasn't really a thug. Yawn.

Ether is a better song, Nas is a better rapper, Ether wins.

Takeover is a much better jam

"jam"

http://dailyrefill.blogs.com/daily/images/20040618_11.jpg

qed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/tx/gallery/media/ap_jayz_macca_linkinpark_40.jpg

shaboy

Takeover all day.

Its not even close.

I voted Takeover. 2 things the Ether-boosters need to remember:

- Takeover was at best like the 5th or 6th most popular song from its album, there's really not a whole lot Stillmatic worth remembering or talking about besides Ether

- the Hot 97 call-in vote that people usually cite as proof that Nas "won" was between Ether and Super Ugly, so of course Ether won. curious how it would've turned out between Takeover and Ether.

Me too. I've always liked how Jay uses the first verse to set himself up as an unassailable force before he starts calling names, between that and the beat, which is some knocking-down-the-doors (npi) shit, "Takeover" sounds overwhelmingly confident, whereas "Ether" sounds withdrawn and petty.

jay-z had but 2 good lines in that whole half-dope gayne west track jack (every song he produced is overshadowed by what he stole ftw)

al: rewind, one mic-- jay needs a ghost writer in light of those trx that nas never cld have writ unless he banged some smack

ether is better than any jay song except hard knock life cuz of the chorus, u fucktards

nobody interjects shit within the chorus. that shit's crazy as a motherfucker

even though it's all gastfaced and shit. nas and jay both suck ass

except d'evils and very select moments from illmatic.

stop im-ing yourself.

al: rewind, one mic-- jay needs a ghost writer in light of those trx that nas never cld have writ unless he banged some smack

-- luriqua, Saturday, 25 August 2007 07:26 (5 hours ago) Link

^^^ truth

ether is hardly the only joint remembered off stillmatic + the other joints remembered off blueprint are bullshit like girls girls girls & renegade

you're da man, what goes around, the flyest

i dunno if youre being funny or whatever but 'the flyest' is hot

those are other trax beside one mic and ether that i like

</nas stan>

one mic is fuckin next level tho

fuck man, i like got urself a gun

http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/66/38/96d1729fd7a0331db6d5e010._AA240_.L.jpg

rappers who freestyled over 'ether'

soulja slim
lil wayne
jeezy

rappers who freestyled over 'takeover'

camron
dude from linkin park

i'm glad gabbneb weighed in on this

where is gabbs sister souljah moment

the best jay diss ever was this track jaz did a few years ago, i only foudn it on some weirdo jay z fan site that would post streams of everything in the world even tangentially related to rocafella. anyway fuck jaz broke it down pretty hard....he's probably like the most underrated rapper ever. i liked that kingz county thing he put out a few years ago.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/jenn_sterger/07/04/mailbag/p1_entourage.jpg

L-R: gabbneb, and what, am0n

wait, can you guys afford cable?

http://www.lappeenranta.fi/images/20060316104526.jpg

What's sad is I love you 'cause you're my brother
You traded your soul for riches

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3bANUSYOys

leaving for rock the bells soon! i hope nas does ether maybe that will change my opinion.

"Cause the nigga wear a coofie, it don't mean that he bright
Cause you don't understand him, it don't mean that he nice
It just means you don't understand all the bullshit that he write
Is it "Oochie Wally Wally" or is it "One Mic"?
Is it "Black Girl Lost" or shorty owe you for ice?"

uh, that should be "kufi" obv.

haha 'coofie'

uffie

Uffie Smacker

am0n otm about good tracks on stillmatic, i also like 2nd childhood

lol Dom

haha 'coofie'

-- deej, Saturday, 25 August 2007 20:00 (Yesterday) Link

c&p from lyrics site busted

i figured, its just a funny misspelling

Stillmatic = tracks 5-8 + "What Goes Around"

Or actually, that's me several years ago talking. I don't trust any opinion I formed prior to the past couple years. I need to reevaluate.

honestly neither of them are very good. I remember when they both came out, and Nas' was clearly superior simply because he brought a bazooka to a knife fight. the arguments in Takeover's favor about Jay's nonchalance & only mentioning Nas in one verse make sense to me now. the homophobic stuff in Ether obviously sinks it. but he definitely "won." I'm glad no one died this time.

Specifically both choruses are sooooo fuckin weak.

"takeover" rocks excuse me

it's better than Ether, but it's too long and the "LAAAAAAME" choir is... lame

"Takeover" is an actual fun good song with a memorable beat and hook that I actually listen to for outside of its context as a dis record
I can't imagine listening to "Ether" for pleasure
otm

still "Takeover"

and yet everybody I know IRL votes Nas, even my best friend.

Genuinely thought this was a Gang of Four vs. Bad Brains thread

xpost- everyone you know irl is wrong lol

lol Boring

i wonder what in-his-prime Jay-Z woulda done (if anything) with all of Nas's "King's Disease albums"

that's a two arthritic diseases every ten year average

Ofc ether gets ethered; the real challops is that takeover is the only good song on the blueprint

lol damn fine challop there as i just had to delete a longass post about how wrong it is

"ether" isn't and never was a good song. it's vicious, sure, but if you remove the homophobia there are maybe four bars left

slowly loading up this ammo
To explode it on a camel

My child, I've watched you grow up to be famous
And now I smile like a proud dad, watching his only son that made it
You seem to be only concerned with dissing women
Were you abused as a child, scared to smile, they called you ugly?
Well life is hard, hug me, don't reject me

Nas has been horrible for 24 years or so. The gross misogyny. The absence of humor. The guy is a cancer on hip hop.