OINK Probs???

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i gave a googler an invite once

-- jhøshea, Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:37 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

lol, so did Confounded. to a lady who broke his heart.

crabcigar APPRECIATION THREAD

Q: Do I as a normal user need to be scared?
A: No. The logs stored were not enough to incriminate any of our users. They have better things to do than hunt down 180,000 Britney Spears fans.

if u uploaded an album before the release date tho?

not saying i have btw, i havent even been a member for over a year

i still miss audiogalaxy

Hardly an authoritative reply: http://tehpaine.blogspot.com/2007/10/frequently-asked-questions.html#c9161380854469170335

i gave a googler an invite once

-- jhøshea, Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:37 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

lol, so did Confounded. to a lady who broke his heart.

-- sanskrit, Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:25 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

do i want to know more abt this?

I hope everyone of you thieves is hounded to your graves for stealing money from artists that starved for their fame. You think that musicians are born rich? Think again. You're on the same moral ground as a race riot looter. Feel that you fucktards.

from Leee's link.

Feel that you fucktards.

audiogalaxy was such shit. yeah i want an album of mp3s culled from 10 different people, different bitrates, and some incompletes. uhhhh?

lol specifically a RACE riot looter

Audiogalaxy was BROAD; I could find music on there by local bands I went to college with. Also, the community aspect was great.
I missed OINK entirely, though one of you folks DID pass me an invite, so I'm not sure how it compares.

i assure you oink was BROAD-ER. i sent your significant other an invite.

Meanwhile, Usenet just keeps on chugging away...

Yeah, Audiogalaxy was awesome for tracking down rare b-side or whatever, but an absolute nightmare for getting albums.

What is usenet? I keep seeing this mentioned now.

It's like this text-based group-based topic-based network thing that existed before the graphical browser html thing took over.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

some thoughts--

the record labels are already fucked. no hope for them with any of the new models they've tried to implement.

they had the biggest, nerdiest, music consumers (by consume i mean downloading, uploading and listening) right in front of them with oink.

they could have monetized that shit. release albums to oink, etc. instead the completely OBLITERATE their demographic in one fell swoop.

wake up, morans...

the labels couldn't get an invite

Approximately 175,000 of the 180,000 members were industry people.

i'm sure the real stats on industry people on oink would blow some minds.

I can't believe Usenet has never been seriously policed by The Man. It's been the home of free shit for a decade or more, and honestly, it seems as good as ever.

I can't believe people don't know what Usenet is.

The Man and all his fuckwitted lackeys are way too dense to get their heads round binaries.

mind, i've not been anywhere near usenet for years now.

anyone have an invite to usenet ;)

alt.confused.googlers.IRE

Anti file-sharing laws considered

I'm confused by a couple of quotes:

While he said that the government had no interest in "hounding 14-year-olds who shared music", it was intent on tracking down those who made multiple copies for profit.

so they'll be tracking down... no one? "Multiple copies for profit"?

"Where people have registered music as an intellectual property I believe we will be able to match data banks of that music to music going out and being exchanged on the net"

And, what? I can't even begin to guess a meaning for that. Is there a single vague notion about what file-sharing involves amongst people of authority?

I can't believe Usenet has never been seriously policed by The Man.

I believe my ISP doesn't carry binaries groups anymore after being threatened by exactly That Man a couple of years ago - but when they did their retention rates were so crappy it wasn't very useful anyway.

God, all this talk of usenet brings back memories... ("http? It'll never catch on, it's just souped-up ftp with pictures!")

Approximately 175,000 of the 180,000 members were industry people.

This spirit of this is true - It's always really funny to hear the Brave Filesharers of Today imagining that every last label employee wasn't on OiNK. Because in fact they all were.

I can't believe Usenet has never been seriously policed by The Man. It's been the home of free shit for a decade or more, and honestly, it seems as good as ever.

It makes this news story even more hilarious than ever...

RIAA Sues Usenet, Decries it as 'Brazen Outlaw'
By David Kravets 10.16.07 | 4:00 PM

The Recording Industry Association of America's litigation strategy is taking a detour into the internet's Precambrian layer, suing a company that distributes the ancient decentralized message board known as Usenet.

Fargo, North Dakota-based Usenet.com is the target of the lawsuit (.pdf) filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, in which 14 recording companies allege the service "enables and encourages its customers to reproduce and distribute millions of infringing copies of Plaintiff's valuable copyrighted sound recordings."

The suit, filed Friday, is something of a throwback in the RIAA's recent litigation strategy. It targets an alleged facilitator of copyright theft instead of an individual pirate.

"They started by going after Napster, Aimster, Grokster, and after that they said, 'We're gonna go after individuals to see if we (can) get into the psyche of people that peer-to-peer file sharing is wrong,'" says Washington, D.C.-based copyright attorney Ross Dannenberg. "Now it has come full circle. Throughout this cycle, (Usenet) newsgroups have been ignored."

In the past four years, the RIAA has sued more than 20,000 people on allegations of copyright infringement. Two weeks ago, the association won a $222,000 judgment in the first such case to go to trial.

But Usenet's decentralized architecture means RIAA gumshoes can't easily trace uploaders, as they can on peer-to-peer services like Kazaa. That may have prompted the RIAA to focus on feed provider Usenet.com, which boasts about the anonymity it provides users.

"Shh ... quiet! We believe it’s no one’s business but your own what you do on the internet or in Usenet! We don’t log your activity. We don’t track your downloads," the company says on its website. It also offers an encrypted tunneling service, for an additional fee, to frustrate any efforts by ISPs or corporate network administrators to police downloads.

The Usenet network is a global, distributed message-board network that was created in the pre-internet days, when it relied on dialup modems for distribution. Now it's carried over the internet. Usenet.com redistributes the full Usenet feed for a subscription fee.

Usenet.com did not immediately return messages for comment.

RIAA goon #1: I hear there's copyright violation on Usenet! OMGWTF
RIAA goon #2: Usenet? Is that a dot com or a dot net?
RIAA goon #1: Just sue whatever comes up

I believe my ISP doesn't carry binaries groups anymore after being threatened by exactly That Man a couple of years ago - but when they did their retention rates were so crappy it wasn't very useful anyway.

All the more reason to spend a couple bucks on dedicated usenet service. ISP usenet almost always blows.

Has an actual economist ever written an article on this issue?

^

The Effect of File Sharing on Record Sales An Empirical Analysis

sort of? there have been a handful like that

I'm not really wondering about the effect on record sales so much as an analysis of consumer behavior. Has there ever been in instance where a business sustained itself because its customers were nice people who liked to give money to support the product, not because giving money actually got them something extra? Or a commodity whose scarcity was maintained only through the threat of lawsuits?

Shareware

I'd like to see some nutbar group of nutbars try to prosecute usenet for archiving newsgroup posts for 40 years. Next is house raids for blank CDs.

In the past four years, the RIAA has sued more than 20,000 people

That figure is staggering. What the hell is their plan here, exactly? That from now on major labels have to figure legal carpet bombing of their customers into their business model?

Business model? None of that money they get from those lawsuits goes to artists, I'm not sure if it goes to the labels either.

Record industry pushes ISPs to cut off file sharers

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/25/triesman_isps_music/

and one of the comments:

A couple of things I'd like...
By Anonymous Coward
Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 12:00 GMT

from the record industry...

1) SELL ME THE MUSIC I'M ALREADY WILLING TO PAY FOR

My vinyl collection is on its last legs and YOU have the masters, I just have a knackered Rega Planar 3. YOU have already issued most of the stuff I want on CD, so YOU have already done the necessary work. SO EFFING SELL ME IT, rather than telling me it's "out of print" FFS. If I want to buy a not very obscure 25 year old LP (e.g. Doobie Bros), WHY WON'T YOU SELL ME IT?

YOU, MR RECORD INDUSTRY, are **forcing** me to go the "illegal" route. DO NOT FORCE ME TO GO DOWN A ROUTE YOU TELL OTHERS NOT TO USE. SELL ME MUSIC I AM WILLING TO PAY FOR.

2) DRM benefiting the PUNTER as well as the Pigopolist

If you insist on using DRM, you could at least try to implement some kind of benefit to the punter rather than today's purely one-sided DRM. Have your DRM incorporate some kind of "owner-specific" features so that the paid-for content plays anywhere the user knows the (traceable) user-specific key. More specifically, make it *not* play anywhere other than places I want it to, e.g. if some lowlife nicks my (paid for) music collection, I want it to be useless.

YOU, THE RECORD INDUSTRY, ARE THE ARCHITECTS OF YOUR OWN FUTURE, BUT TODAY YOU ARE ARCHITECTING YOUR OWN DOWNFALL.

There, that feels better, even though it'll do no good. Sorry if it disturbs you. Is there anything else to report from InTheCity yet?

Uh, Amazon.co.uk shows the Doobie Brothers' catalog in print, ah, Mr. Coward.

two interesting pieces

IFPI makes OiNK squeal: http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i322308809550e01b9e968080a7f5fac0

Myths and facts of OiNK's takedown: http://www.slyck.com/story1608_Myths_and_Facts_of_OiNKs_Takedown

So the issue they're most concerned about is prerelease music and this is the only solution they can come up with?

http://www.libble.com/ bravely taking up the cause/trying to mark themselves out as early contenders to the vacated throne?

Stupid. The end of OiNK is much more than just the end of one site. What comes next (if anything - it doesn't have to happen, dear music industry. Really! It's going to take a pretty jump in logic to adjust to the changed reality, but you'll have to do it in the end - preferably before the end, because music fans don't want you to die, they want you to be with them and not against them) will not be an Oink clone, but something completely different.